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Top performers on the decline? by seah chiang nee

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Published: Saturday April 12, 2014 MYT 12:00:00 AM
Updated: Saturday April 12, 2014 MYT 7:07:35 AM
Top performers on the decline?

by seah chiang nee


Many Singaporean students feel that what they have learned when young – like how to solve problems – gets unlearned when they grow up.

AS we get older, we get to read more global rankings of our performance – the latest being on our kids’ problem-solving skills.

With everyone’s economy becoming global, world rankings are important for us to have, to compare competitiveness.

The Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development’s Programme for International Stud*ent Assessment found Singapore and Korea’s 15-year-olds top problem-solvers.

That Singaporean students excel in mathematics, science and reading literacy has been known for a while.

The latest test shows up the Republic as being among only a handful of places that excel in all of the assessments.

“It shows that today’s 15-year-olds in Singapore are quick learners, highly inquisitive, able to solve unstructured problems in unfamiliar contexts,” said a spokesman for the OECD.

Several considerations are on Singaporean minds. Firstly, how many participants were really true-blue Singaporeans?

What was the number of locally born versus permanent residents (PRs) who hail from Beijing, Shanghai, Hong Kong, Seoul and Taipei?

PRs are regarded by the government as local residents, and these are top ranking academic cities that add to Singaporean scores.

The same consideration applies to anything else in which Singapore is in the world’s top rank – whether in sports, music or scientific research. Secondly, how much do the grades of 15-year-olds really count in national competitiveness?

This is particularly true when surveys have found Singaporean workers diligent but lacking creativity and leadership.

While the political leaders talk of competing with South Korea and Taiwan in skilled services and inventiveness, others say it’s not possible.

Three years ago Apple co-founder Steve Wozniak said a company like Apple could not emerge in structured societies like controlled Singapore.

Talking of Singapore, he asked: “Where are the creative people … the great artists … the great musicians? Where are the great writers?

The 15-year-olds will soon find that the real world is something very different.

A Singaporean commented: “So what if our kids are number 1? After scoring all the As and graduating from university, they can’t get jobs.”

Many Singaporeans are often great at their studies, but turn out to be poor in their work life.

For a generation, they have been tightly regulated and disciplined from school and university.

As a result Singapore has become a clean and disciplined city, where crime and corruption remain low.

Not flushing a public toilet after use is an offence and the sale of chewing gum is still controlled.

They have plenty of training since young.

In schools, hair cannot be too long or skirts too short and coloured bras for girls are banned.

For boys who reach 18, the army takes over the discipline training during two years of national service.

At the work place people become especially careful about not disobeying superiors and flouting laws.

That is why many feel that what they have learned when young – like how to solve problems – gets unlearned when they grow up.

Despite all these global tests that talk highly of Singaporean students, the maxim “Don’t rock the boat” remains strong at the work place.

Many Singaporeans don’t want to disagree with the boss, even though he may be wrong.

The OECD study was, if nothing else, a morale booster for young people.

It’s only three years ago that the founding leader thought they were losing their forefathers’ drive – and needed new ‘hungry’ migrants to spur them on.

According to former PM Lee Kuan Yew – and quite a few employers – it was good to have brought in foreign workers to offset the decline.

“Over time, Singaporeans had become less hard-driving and hard-striving,” Lee said in a 2011 interview.

The hard-talking Lee then upset many people when he said that if Singaporeans were falling behind because “the spurs are not stuck into the hide”, that was their problem.

He described the new immigrants from China and the region as “hungry” – helped by parents who “pushed the children very hard”.

(Actually, Singaporean parents are often accused of putting too much pressure on their kids.)

Lee had often made known his preference for the entrepreneurial spirit of the Hong Kong people.

Predictably, some Singaporeans were angry about the remarks that implied they were becoming lazy and ought to be spurred like slow horses.

One retiree said Lee was partly right: “Many middle class Singaporeans are becoming spoiled and complacent compared with (their counterparts in) some emerging nations.”

Now at least, there is something good to say about their children –that they are the best 15-year-olds for solving problems.
 
If imported talent has helped Singapore rank number one, it proves that the PAP's immigration policies are bearing fruit.

I would like to congratulate LHL and his team for having the foresight to ignore the criticism and forge ahead with the plan to bring as much talent into the country as possible.

Singapore certainly needs new blood in order to stay on top of the game.
 
The worse r the public companies, stat boards executives.. Think they r all big shots, don't like dissent, only want to hear the good stuff and they can't handle the truth!!
 
I do not know the methodology or number of students involved but selecting a few students to sit for a test does not means it is representative of the general population. Very often the so called top students are bumbling introverted nerds with poor social and psychomotor skills (including one in pink). I rather my kids be well balanced and happy individuals than be so called top students.

Anyway it is a well known fact that many of the top inventors/scientists fared badly academically eg Thomas Edison, Alexander Graham Bell and Albert Einstein.

Steve Jobs, Bill Gates and Mark Zuckerberg were college dropouts and would have a hard time in scholar centric Singapore .
Without degrees they may even have a difficult hard time competing with theses fakes from India, China and Pinoyland!
 
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It is certainly helpful if our kids are exam smart as it does take handwork and deep understanding of the subject to ace it. It provides a excellent base to move to the next step to innovate and excel.

Its the second step that is the issue.The reward system does not in any way incentivises innovation and excellence. Because of their excellent results, they are already sitting on the gravy train and coasting along. Entrepreneurship calls for risk taking. Why even bother to take the risk. A scholar couple by age 32 can pull it $400K a year - don't rock the boat, meet the deadline, don't overstretch, just clear the usual 2 year posting and step onto the next rung.

As those below the scholars are not as academically inclined as their bosses, they are not in a position to challenge or overshadow them. An SAF OMS told me that his peers of the same rank who are not OMS always ask him which special project he is currently doing for the PS. He said that they are aware what is going on but it also shows that they mentally defeated when they ask such questions. And he was sincere and nice about it.
 
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Singapore is a country that is obsessed with test scores and rankings and statistics and GDP and "awards" and dignity and any conceivable measurable quantity and worthless allocades.singapore pressure cook themselves from young.but when u get to the bottom of it sinkies are nothing but a bunch of daft and stupid failures.

Just go to any country in the world u will realise sinkies are nothing special that's why they are so easily replaceable.sinkies are about to go extinct yet they still don't realize it and fight for their survival.keep think justice and karma will come but nothing ever happens cause they are not individualists like angmohs they follow the status quo.

Sinkies bury themselves in textbooks when young and work their ass off when old.this is because they are descendand of coolies and farmers nothing more.not scientists not inventors not creativists.not leaders or fighters.destined to be slaves and hard workers.
 
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It is certainly helpful if our kids are exam smart as it does take handwork and deep understanding of the subject to ace it.
Your assessment is not entirely accurate. More and more British students are acing their A-levels which prompts educators in Engrand to question the educational system and how exam questions are set.
It provides a excellent base to move to the next step to innovate and excel.
Again I beg to differ. Microsoft's Bill Gates, ex-Apple's Steve Jobs and Facebook's Mark Z. are good examples. They are not college grads, much less aced their exams.
A scholar couple by age 32 can pull it $400K a year - don't rock the boat, meet the deadline, don't overstretch, just clear the usual 2 year posting and step onto the next rung.
Isn't that good news? I hope more and more scholars and scholar couples will do just as you described.
As those below the scholars are not as academically inclined as their bosses, they are not in a position to challenge or overshadow them. An SAF OMS told me that his peers of the same rank who are not OMS always ask him which special project he is currently doing for the PS.
U mentioned the SAF. It is a highly bureaucratic organisation in which President Scholars, OMS, LMS are given preferences over ordinary service personnel. It is a well known fact that PS will always approach President Scholars, OMS, LMS (in that order) to work on projects. There's nothing noteworthy in that.
He said that they are aware what is going on but it also shows that they mentally defeated when they ask such questions. And he was sincere and nice about it.
This SAF OMS guy you mentioned is so full of himself. IMHO that's good. The whole of the creme-de-la-creme of Leegime must regard themselves as GOD'S GIFT TO MANKIND.
 
It is certainly helpful if our kids are exam smart as it does take handwork and deep understanding of the subject to ace it. It provides a excellent base to move to the next step to innovate and excel.

Its the second step that is the issue.The reward system does not in any way incentivises innovation and excellence. Because of their excellent results, they are already sitting on the gravy train and coasting along. Entrepreneurship calls for risk taking. Why even bother to take the risk. A scholar couple by age 32 can pull it $400K a year - don't rock the boat, meet the deadline, don't overstretch, just clear the usual 2 year posting and step onto the next rung.

As those below the scholars are not as academically inclined as their bosses, they are not in a position to challenge or overshadow them. An SAF OMS told me that his peers of the same rank who are not OMS always ask him which special project he is currently doing for the PS. He said that they are aware what is going on but it also shows that they mentally defeated when they ask such questions. And he was sincere and nice about it.

Well I hope they crash and burn. Because pacifists will never be able to bring change. And change is what this country desperately needs. The peasants will not know what is wrong. These complacent fools need only look to history to know that when the squeeze hits the middle upper classes it signals the beginning of a huge economic disaster
 
yes good at solving man created complicated problems but lack EQ to solve life's problems.
 
It is also the gahmen emphasis on being exam smart that has bought aboug this situation. For the people its also the easy way out. Imagine the success of 1 person based on 1 formula that is be exam smart. Its easy just study n dont need to do anything else. And of course be damn good at maths n science n ang mor n 2nd language.. Than get scholarship than get in civil service or top glc or top mnc and tot successful and made for life. No need to go through another route and rock the boat...no need to think out of the box and take the risk....
 
Bro, I am saying that having bright people push themselves is not all that bad but having achieved academic excellence, the reward system as they progress thru their career, assumes that can achieve the same standard.

A British student that aces the exam does not have an established reward system in their civil service. They have work just as hard as anyone else.



Your assessment is not entirely accurate. More and more British students are acing their A-levels which prompts educators in Engrand to question the educational system and how exam questions are set. Again I beg to differ. Microsoft's Bill Gates, ex-Apple's Steve Jobs and Facebook's Mark Z. are good examples. They are not college grads, much less aced their exams. Isn't that good news? I hope more and more scholars and scholar couples will do just as you described. U mentioned the SAF. It is a highly bureaucratic organisation in which President Scholars, OMS, LMS are given preferences over ordinary service personnel. It is a well known fact that PS will always approach President Scholars, OMS, LMS (in that order) to work on projects. There's nothing noteworthy in that. This SAF OMS guy you mentioned is so full of himself. IMHO that's good. The whole of the creme-de-la-creme of Leegime must regard themselves as GOD'S GIFT TO MANKIND.
 
Sporeans are good bean counters but not everyone is cut out for it.

If you talk to many parents many of them plan to leave the "system". There are of course other reasons: high cost, job insecurity, high pressure lifestyle,.. ... but if you talk to ex-Sporeans who have emigrated they will tell you they did it for their children. It's actually quite amazing the foresight & planning that some Sporeans have done. I know a Sporean couple with 2 kids & both of these kids were born outside of Spore:eek: I doubt it is a coincidence;)

I guess this is an example of how calculative Sporeans are:D
 
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