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Arrogant PAP - That's the system here!

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PAP, opposition MPs debate politicisation of grassroots groups


Andrea Ong And Tham Yuen-C
The Straits Times
Saturday, Feb 01, 2014

ONE MP each from the People's Action Party (PAP) and the Workers' Party (WP) on Wednesday debated the links between grassroots organisations and the ruling party, and whether that was good for local governance.

Aljunied GRC MP Pritam Singh of the WP fired the first salvo, in his opening speech at a forum involving four political parties organised by the National University of Singapore Students' Political Association.

He said many members of People's Association (PA) grassroots bodies - such as the citizens consultative committees (CCCs) - are also PAP members. That has led to a perception that a fundamental purpose of the PA is to "perpetuate the one-party state", he added.

"The reality at the local level is, there are grassroots organisations which can also be politically motivated to lower the standing of an elected MP," he said.

Asked for his view, the PAP's Baey Yam Keng said: "That is the system here." The Tampines GRC MP said not all CCC members or chairmen are PAP members, and he does not doubt the "sincerity and commitment of these volunteers who work very hard on the ground".

The official stance, he said, is that the PA is a government body that links the people with the government of the day and explains policy decisions. That is why opposition MPs are not appointed as PA grassroots advisers.

However, Mr Baey came under fire from some in the audience, who numbered more than 150. A student said he found it "disturbing" that as an elected MP who can effect change, Mr Baey chose to accept the system as it was.

Earlier, the PAP MP cited his fight to lift the ban on dialects, even after a senior minister told him to give it up as a lost cause.

Mr Baey had said it was an example of how things can change within the system, said the student, who then pressed Mr Baey to say if he was for or against the way the grassroots are now. If the latter, he should advocate change, added the student.

Responding, Mr Baey acknowledged that some feel the close ties between the PA and PAP are unfair. But while the system may have "evolved or may be planned for certain objectives and motives", what matters at the end is how it can be used to benefit people.

"At the end of the day, does the CCC serve the people? It has to serve the people," he said.

Change is possible too, said Mr Baey. "It is the system now, yes, it doesn't mean it won't change."

But both Mr Baey and Mr Singh agreed on one point: Change will occur as the political landscape evolves.

Mr Baey said that some PA staff are now "very sensitive" about drawing a line between politics and grassroots work, and do not want to appear too close to politicians. He is sure some have voted for the opposition as well.

Mr Singh called on the Government to steer the nation in a different direction in local governance. Grassroots bodies should "evolve in tandem" with the growing plurality of voices in society, he said.

He said local representatives, whether CCC or residents' committee chairmen, should be residents who are elected by fellow residents, not appointed by grassroots advisers. He also suggested a forum bringing the elected MP together with such leaders to resolve local issues.

In line with Wednesday's forum's theme of Singapore's progress since the 2011 General Election, Ms Chee Siok Chin of the Singapore Democratic Party and Mr Syafarin Sarif of the National Solidarity Party decried the lack of change since the last general election.

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The PAP is not arrogant. It is pragmatic.

The PAP is fully aware that while some processes and policies may be deemed to be unfair, the system has been structured for the greater good of society as a whole and that is why it has to remain for the time being.

If Singapore was located in a better neighborhood where religious and racial sensitivities are not as acute, I would be the first to endorse a whole host of changes including freedom of speech, the removal of special rights for certain racial/religious groups and a general relaxation of many of the current hardline policies.

However, given the realities of being situated bang in the middle of a volatile muslim sea, a cool head and a firm hand is needed to man the helm and I have to say that the PAP is doing an excellent job.
 
The PAP is not arrogant. It is pragmatic.

The PAP is fully aware that while some processes and policies may be deemed to be unfair, the system has been structured for the greater good of society as a whole and that is why it has to remain for the time being.

If Singapore was located in a better neighborhood where religious and racial sensitivities are not as acute, I would be the first to endorse a whole host of changes including freedom of speech, the removal of special rights for certain racial/religious groups and a general relaxation of many of the current hardline policies.

However, given the realities of being situated bang in the middle of a volatile muslim sea, a cool head and a firm hand is needed to man the helm and I have to say that the PAP is doing an excellent job.

You fucking over dosing yourself on the medications.

For emergency recovery from your OD, go find that steel toilet bucket used by 50 Bangla families to shit into and quickly dunk your head in there
 
You fucking over dosing yourself on the medications.

For emergency recovery from your OD, go find that steel toilet bucket used by 50 Bangla families to shit into and quickly dunk your head in there
excellent recommendation
 
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When this incompetent PAP low life Baey tells you it is the system here,

it means he is there to lord over you and you can do nothing about it..this is cause by years of sinkie ball-lessness in protesting against them and fighting over sinkies' right.

now you know why i stay away from sinkies.
 
How not to be arrogant if you are being paid millions of dollars for talking cock and tons of por lumpars around you everyday?
 
The PAP is not arrogant. It is pragmatic.

The PAP is fully aware that while some processes and policies may be deemed to be unfair, the system has been structured for the greater good of society as a whole and that is why it has to remain for the time being.

If Singapore was located in a better neighborhood where religious and racial sensitivities are not as acute, I would be the first to endorse a whole host of changes including freedom of speech, the removal of special rights for certain racial/religious groups and a general relaxation of many of the current hardline policies.

However, given the realities of being situated bang in the middle of a volatile muslim sea, a cool head and a firm hand is needed to man the helm and I have to say that the PAP is doing an excellent job.

When LKY was in charge, he really galvanised the locals behind him to support his policies for the betterment of Singapore. Now, the PAP leadership is no longer the same PAP years ago during the time of LKY and the Old Guards. Also, Singapore is not the same any more. It is now a nation of disillusioned locals. The current PAP leadership is not doing an excellent job; it is creating a mess. Talk to the man in the street and get the real feel of the ground before praising the PAP.
 
How not to be arrogant if you are being paid millions of dollars for talking cock and tons of por lumpars around you everyday?


The top dog is LKY & he claims to be able to rise from the dead:D

With all his billions of $$$ I'm sure he has every reason not to join his wife but it's an example of his suffering from the "God complex".
Obviously the illness is hereditary to the Lee clan :eek:

For lesser mortals who are ignorant of what is the "God complex" is e.g. 60% , you can go to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God_complex where you will find the following:

A god complex is an unshakable belief characterized by consistently inflated feelings of personal ability, privilege, or infallibility. A person with a god complex may refuse to admit the possibility of their error or failure, even in the face of complex or intractable problems or difficult or impossible tasks, or may regard their personal opinions as unquestionably correct.[1][2] The individual may disregard the rules of society and require special consideration or privileges.[1]

God complex is not a clinical term or diagnosable disorder, and does not appear in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM).

The first person to use the term god-complex was Ernest Jones (1913/51).[3] His description, at least in the contents page of Essays in Applied Psycho-Analysis, describe the god complex as belief that one is a god.[4]
 
In one word - delusion. :rolleyes:
 
It wasn't him, it was the others. :rolleyes:

The Old Guard kept the Old Fart in check.

Once most of the Old Guard died off or got phased out, the Old Fart would revert to his Machiavellian, despotic true nature.
 
He's effectively tell you to bow to their system or fuck off.
Short and sharp.
 
It is arrogant LKY. Malaysia should have done more than kick him out of Malaya.
 
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