Losing your job is liberation, according to Aussie PM

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Losing your job is not a 'liberation', Tony Abbott
The prime minister said that many Holden workers will be 'liberated' by the loss of their jobs. What a brutal insult to families who have been kicked to the ground


So Tony Abbott has told the sacked workers at Holden that the pieces of lives and careers that they're holding in their hands are actually "liberation".

Let me explain to the prime minister of this country just what that "liberation" feels like to a family who is living through the sudden event of unemployment. When I was 13, my dad left one job after he had been offered another one – and the new job fell through. My parents had only just taken out a mortgage, and now dad was unemployed.

We were working-class people, and so were my parents' friends. When you're a working-class person who loses a job, there's no liquid capital on hand to buy your way into retraining or consider a business opportunity. There's no powerful network of privileged mates who can offer you a consultancy, a designed position, a sinecure, or maybe offer up a $300k a year job just because they like you. And the best your friends can do for you in that situation is not, actually, to talk about it.

People who only value money can perhaps understand that unemployment is horrifying because there are bills to pay. But the horrific stress of unemployment is not only trying to keep them paid, but to get a new job at the same level as soon as possible, lest a beast even worse than the loss of financial status – the loss of personal dignity – crawls out of its cave.

What people who only value money can't or won't imagine is the soul-shattering destruction of pride that goes with unemployment. This is why your real friends stay silent: because patronising offers or condolences do more damage than a beating with a blunt bat. It's an easy protocol for everyone to accommodate. And in case Abbott doesn't know it's also why, when unemployed, you don't socialise much.

The events which pushed dad into unemployment were entirely beyond his control – just like Holden's collapse is not to blame on its workers – but he was humiliated by them anyway. He was a man who defined himself by a willingness to work hard, and his ambitions were simple: to look after my mother and provide his only child everything he could to realise her dreams. When he became unemployed the two simple pillars of his character – his self-belief and role as a provider – were annihilated by forces beyond his control.

I can now write about this openly only because my beloved father is dead. He was a fantastically resilient man who never cried but with the sense of personal failure that accompanied the disappearance of his income, he talked about killing himself. He raged at my mother for staying with him. He raged at me and when I made him a cheese toastie as a peace offering, he hurled it against the wall. I had failed to comprehend that my acts of charity were corroding any self-esteem he had left.

How long did this family trauma go on for? A total of six weeks. Dad was lucky: he found another job and life returned to normal. Mum gave him dispensation for acting like a twit, the mortgage got paid. Unlike Holden workers, dad was in an industry that hadn't collapsed and he wasn't one of many competing against one another for the scraps of opportunities left behind.

There are indeed two kinds of liberations going on today, but they certainly don't belong to the unemployed and their families; they both belong to Abbott. The first is his liberation of language from meaning, given that the personal, palpable, physical and psychological horror of redundancy is now happily propagandised as "freedom". The second is the prime minister liberating himself from the obligations of the most basic form of protocol – that when a family has been kicked to the ground, you don't stand there smiling and tell them to enjoy it.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/dec/19/losing-your-job-is-not-a-liberation-tony-abbott
 
Sounds like a new line for donald trump to use on the apprentice: "you're liberated."
 
He is not wrong. Jobs are never meant to be forever. It's just a job.
 
Push the idea a little further.
Slaughtering ppl is liberation too
 
He is not wrong. Jobs are never meant to be forever. It's just a job.

That's the problem with globalization. Nothing is forever. Marriage is not forever. Friendships are not forever. Friends are not forever. The end result - we live in constantly insecurity. Should life be this way?
 
Nothing is forever. Marriage is not forever. Friendships are not forever. Friends are not forever. The end result - we live in constantly insecurity. Should life be this way?

May I suggest the following piece from Orwell's 1984:

"The individual is only a cell. The weariness of the cell is the vigor of the organism. Do you die when you cut your finger-nails?"........
But if he can make complete, utter submission, if he can escape from his identity, if he can merge himself in the Party so that he is the Party, then he is all-powerful and immortal."
 
May I suggest the following piece from Orwell's 1984:

"The individual is only a cell. The weariness of the cell is the vigor of the organism. Do you die when you cut your finger-nails?"........
But if he can make complete, utter submission, if he can escape from his identity, if he can merge himself in the Party so that he is the Party, then he is all-powerful and immortal."

The masses will have to fight the elite class to break the chains of economic slavery. The world has tilted too much to the greedy class. The class fight seems inevitable.
 
Thinking on the bright side.....

Dynasties come and go. Nothing is forever.

雨下得再大也有停的一天,就连天都不能凶一輩子。更何况人。
 
[video=youtube;rDgXeYlpbOE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDgXeYlpbOE&hl=en-GB&gl=SG[/video]
 
i agree that tony is right, imagine having to work daily, office hours, for your whole life. it's meaningless and you are in a psychological prison, what you gain is monetary rewards which is unable to fufill your life completely. you will feel lost, unsatisfactory and aimless living this kind of life. :o
 
Losing your job is not a 'liberation', Tony Abbott
The prime minister said that many Holden workers will be 'liberated' by the loss of their jobs. What a brutal insult to families who have been kicked to the ground

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/dec/19/losing-your-job-is-not-a-liberation-tony-abbott

The Guardian still has many whining losers from the Brits, the petty stock of Irish descend who always miss the big picture and concentrate on petty fights. The refugees from the Iron Lady Days. This is one of them.

It is hard to change their culture and they are the dinosaurs of our age.

There are many of these sad people in my previous workplace and they are not benefiting society as a whole.

It is time to move on and stop living as Thatcher's refugees and depending on indirect government charity to pay your salaries.


The Guardian tell half the story as usual. Holden is in terminal decline and it is very stressful to be kept alive by drips provided by other sectors of the Australian economy. Imagine spending everyday listening to the lies of the pesticide factions of ALP and the unions that their jobs are secured, when it is not.

Globalisation is a fact. If Holden workers do not want to help themselves adapt to the new working world, no one will.
 
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Losing your job by your own choice is liberation. You've managed to get out of the rat race.
 
That's the problem with globalization. Nothing is forever. Marriage is not forever. Friendships are not forever. Friends are not forever. The end result - we live in constantly insecurity. Should life be this way?

In my preview workplace, which is what you describe as "Iron ricebowl", the fat and comfy people are spending 80% of their time playing politics and 20% working. Somehow, it is difficult to understand why people want to destroy the security given to them by making the workplace so stressful.

Maybe they have too much time on their hand, but the hours lost through workplace bullying sick leave and the cost of the organisation paying for counselling and doctors are making the organisation the classic case of why the good intention of JOB SECURITY is not working.

Humans are social animals, but we can't make peace.
 
In my preview workplace, which is what you describe as "Iron ricebowl", the fat and comfy people are spending 80% of their time playing politics and 20% working. Somehow, it is difficult to understand why people want to destroy the security given to them by making the workplace so stressful.

Once again Dilbert's Principle holds true.

The cannot-make-it ones get promoted. The ones who do actual work stay where they are.
 
Losing your job by your own choice is liberation. You've managed to get out of the rat race.

What is there is no rat race?

Working in Australia is different from working in Singapore.

In some sectors of Australia, once you get into a job and that job is a permanently created position, you are set for life permanently. No one can get rid of you until you make mistakes. But if you work less and defer decision making, you are already making less mistakes.

When you go on long leave, eg my 3-month holidays in Europe, the organisation need to employ a temp worker to do your job, while at the same time, you are given leave loading which is essentially extra pay because you need to spend more money when on leave.

This temp worker will leave when you return to your job, but the employer cannot get rid of you or your job position. In fact, the employer cannot make you work OT unless the arrangement is agreed to by the union. So, when I work Sundays, I get twice my usual pay.

My pay is also controlled by the union, every quarterly, the pay is guaranteed to go up at least 1%. My construction engineers are even better when they build a high-rise. The pay for every floor is different, so as you work on higer floors, your pay go up accordingly.

Coming from Singapore, I thought it is a dream job, car provided, job is iron-ricebowl, etc
You get all the training you want, from PRINCE2, BENEFITS, PMP, PMET, etc but you will never get to practice.
Projects get put on hold when the people go on leave. Deadlines are pushed back, budget is adjusted as cost go up.

But there is a catch.

You have no freedom, the workplace smell like a communist whorehouse and your very existence depend on promises promises promises that the unions, govt and Fair Work Australia tells you and they are beyond your control.

Your big ideas are knocked back because there is no need for that when life is so good.
You play dumb because your bosses only have Year 12 leavers certificates, but most importantly, they are from the unions.
When you are too smart, your bosses will not like it and will make life so tough for you that you will leave your job and they put their "guan-si" buddy into it.

EDIT: There is no job promotion because you can occupy the same job position for life, it is yours. But if there is a high duty job vacancy - usually through retirement - u can apply for the job. Otherwise, you stay where you are. same job day in day out
But, when your buddy or boss go on leave, you can apply to do his job, if you are successful, your job will be temporarily filled by someone else while you do your buddy or boss's job.


Welcome to "Holden" unionised Australia.


L I B E R A T I O N

EDIT: After I quitted this iron ricebowl job and started my own little consultancy, my former colleagues came running to me to ask me help them out.
To give you some idea of this lucrative business, it started off with paying $3000 to change some contents on 2 pages of a website. I got an IT student to do that for me on the cheap. Everything was done hush-hush because it is quite embarrassing that highly-paid unionised workers can't do the job.
 
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Cassius on why killing Caesar is actually doing Caesar a favour in Julius Caesar:

Why, he that cuts off twenty years of life
Cuts off so many years of fearing death.​
 
What is there is no rat race?

Working in Australia is different from working in Singapore.

In some sectors of Australia, once you get into a job and that job is a permanently created position, you are set for life permanently. No one can get rid of you until you make mistakes. But if you work less and defer decision making, you are already making less mistakes.

When you go on long leave, eg my 3-month holidays in Europe, the organisation need to employ a temp worker to do your job, while at the same time, you are given leave loading which is essentially extra pay because you need to spend more money when on leave.

This temp worker will leave when you return to your job, but the employer cannot get rid of you or your job position. In fact, the employer cannot make you work OT unless the arrangement is agreed to by the union. So, when I work Sundays, I get twice my usual pay.

My pay is also controlled by the union, every quarterly, the pay is guaranteed to go up at least 1%. My construction engineers are even better when they build a high-rise. The pay for every floor is different, so as you work on higer floors, your pay go up accordingly.

Coming from Singapore, I thought it is a dream job, car provided, job is iron-ricebowl, etc
You get all the training you want, from PRINCE2, BENEFITS, PMP, PMET, etc but you will never get to practice.
Projects get put on hold when the people go on leave. Deadlines are pushed back, budget is adjusted as cost go up.

But there is a catch.

You have no freedom, the workplace smell like a communist whorehouse and your very existence depend on promises promises promises that the unions, govt and Fair Work Australia tells you and they are beyond your control.

Your big ideas are knocked back because there is no need for that when life is so good.
You play dumb because your bosses only have Year 12 leavers certificates, but most importantly, they are from the unions.
When you are too smart, your bosses will not like it and will make life so tough for you that you will leave your job and they put their "guan-si" buddy into it.

EDIT: There is no job promotion because you can occupy the same job position for life, it is yours. But if there is a high duty job vacancy - usually through retirement - u can apply for the job. Otherwise, you stay where you are. same job day in day out
But, when your buddy or boss go on leave, you can apply to do his job, if you are successful, your job will be temporarily filled by someone else while you do your buddy or boss's job.


Welcome to "Holden" unionised Australia.


L I B E R A T I O N

EDIT: After I quitted this iron ricebowl job and started my own little consultancy, my former colleagues came running to me to ask me help them out.
To give you some idea of this lucrative business, it started off with paying $3000 to change some contents on 2 pages of a website. I got an IT student to do that for me on the cheap. Everything was done hush-hush because it is quite embarrassing that highly-paid unionised workers can't do the job.

I think that's a good situation. Those who think that they can do better should not be an employee. For most people, a decent middle-class existence is available. I don't see anything wrong with that situation. Although there is inefficiencies, it is better than the current one where a small group at the top hogs the rewards, dishing out peanuts to the masses.
 
In my preview workplace, which is what you describe as "Iron ricebowl", the fat and comfy people are spending 80% of their time playing politics and 20% working. Somehow, it is difficult to understand why people want to destroy the security given to them by making the workplace so stressful.

Maybe they have too much time on their hand, but the hours lost through workplace bullying sick leave and the cost of the organisation paying for counselling and doctors are making the organisation the classic case of why the good intention of JOB SECURITY is not working.

Humans are social animals, but we can't make peace.

Even fortune 100 companies are full of such people and these people are executives. That's why companies go through periodic restructuring. Job security is the lesser of two evils. And it keeps the economy going ...$1 million bucks shared by 10 people equally generate more demand than the same amount given to one guy.
 
The Guardian still has many whining losers from the Brits, the petty stock of Irish descend who always miss the big picture and concentrate on petty fights. The refugees from the Iron Lady Days. This is one of them.

It is hard to change their culture and they are the dinosaurs of our age.

There are many of these sad people in my previous workplace and they are not benefiting society as a whole.

It is time to move on and stop living as Thatcher's refugees and depending on indirect government charity to pay your salaries.

The Guardian tell half the story as usual. Holden is in terminal decline and it is very stressful to be kept alive by drips provided by other sectors of the Australian economy. Imagine spending everyday listening to the lies of the pesticide factions of ALP and the unions that their jobs are secured, when it is not.

Globalisation is a fact. If Holden workers do not want to help themselves adapt to the new working world, no one will.

How is society better off when the masses are made to endure long hours of work with insecurity and low pay and a small group commands the wealth?
Globalization is a phase that will end when more people are forced into insecurity. Humans that are insecure and threatened will fight back.

GM could close down the plant only because of the lowering of tariffs. Bring the tariffs back and Holden will be back in business.
 
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