Dineah's mom deny aaking for financial windfall...

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As reported in TheOnlineCitizen.
It was the MHA that pursued her to settle inviting her to.fill. in the financial
settlement. But luckily she refused to put down an.amount as her interest is to pursue justice for acts against her son.
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The mother of Dinesh Raman Chinnaiah says she did not indicate an amount as compensation from the government for the death of her son, contrary to what the Ministry of Home Affairs (MHA) said in its latest statement on 13 September.

Dinesh Raman died in Changi Prison 3 years ago, on 27 September 2010.

He was 21-years old.

The government said he died from “positional asphyxia” and has accepted responsibility for his death. It has also offered to pay compensation to his family.

It was reported that 8 prison officers were involved in restraining Dinesh Raman on the morning of 27 September 2010, in what the Straits Times described as a “fierce struggle” which lasted “30 minutes”.

So far, only deputy superintendent Lim Kwo Yin, has been charged for Dinesh Raman’s death.

He was fined S$10,000 by the courts on 19 July.

Following the conviction, the Coroner discontinued his inquiry on 24 July into the circumstances surrounding Dinesh Raman’s death.

The Attorney General’s Chambers explained that the government had already conducted an internal criminal investigation into the matter, and “that while all unnatural deaths are investigated and looked into, there is no multiplicity of proceedings that would be a drain on the state’s resources.”

The AGC subsequently denied the family’s request for it to instruct the Coroner to re-open the inquiry into Dinesh Raman’s death.

Dinesh Raman’s family disputes the findings of the criminal investigation and has lodged an application with the courts to compel the Coroner to re-open his inquiry.

The matter has taken on a new twist when the Ministry of Home Affairs, on 13 September 2013, alleged that the family had “informally suggested that they would be prepared to ‘settle’ the matter for substantial windfall amounts.”

The ministry did not disclose what this alleged “substantial windfall” amount was, or why the compensations negotiations or discussions were apparently being conducted “informally”, even though its statement also said that it has “engaged the family and Mr Ravi [lawyer for Mdm Selvi] on their compensation claim.”

Nonetheless, Mdm Selvi Narayanasamy, the mother of Dinesh Raman, denies having asked for any specific amount of compensation.

She says that a government officer has been contacting her continuously to ask her to settle the compensation issue. According to Mdm Selvi, he has been asking her to name an amount but she has repeatedly declined to do so.

On Monday (9/9/2013), she said the officer had gone to her house with 2 other Chinese men. She said the officer showed her some papers detailing the breakdown of damages to be assessed and asked her to indicate the amounts for each component, but she declined.

In its statement on 13 September, the MHA said:

“The State has offered a compensation quantum calculated on the premise that Dinesh Raman would have gone on to ITE and have had a stable job. This is a generous approach…”

Mdm Selvi says that her concerns are not about money or compensation. Instead, she is firm in her stance that the perpetrators must be held accountable and justice for her son must prevail.

She says that although she was told by the government officer that the prison officers involved had all been dealt with and that they were now consigned to desk-bound jobs within the Singapore Prison Service, she does not see this as justice being served.

Her writ against the government, lodged with the courts last week, contends that the prison officers had “intentionally assaulted” Dinesh Raman, resulting in his death.

The MHA had said, on 12 August, that it had “started disciplinary action against the superintendent, supervisors and other officers involved in the incident.”

However, it has not publicly disclosed what this “disciplinary action” is or what action has been taken against the officers mentioned.

On her court action, Mdm Selvi says she does not see it as being against the government but rather that she is trusting the system to hold those guilty of causing her son’s death accountable.

A High Court hearing has been set on Oct 16 to hear Mdm Selvi’s application to seek the court’s permission for a judicial review of the Coroner’s decision not to re-open his inquiry into Dinesh Raman’s death.
 
Singaporeans should collectively sue her for giving birth to a monster in the first place.

Had he not been exterminated, he would have got out of prison to do even more harm.
 
Singaporeans should collectively sue her for giving birth to a monster in the first place.

Had he not been exterminated, he would have got out of prison to do even more harm.

scum deserve to be exterminated.
 
Singaporeans should collectively sue her for giving birth to a monster in the first place.

Had he not been exterminated, he would have got out of prison to do even more harm.

Well, there are lots of parents to sue then. What next? Sue those parents of disabled children? Sue those parents of learning disability? Sue the parents of the unemployed. The PAP government can't even spare resources to run a coroner inquiry ...where got time to have judges sit through all these suits?
 
The Attorney General’s Chambers explained that the government had already conducted an internal criminal investigation into the matter, and “that while all unnatural deaths are investigated and looked into, there is no multiplicity of proceedings that would be a drain on the state’s resources.”

The AGC subsequently denied the family’s request for it to instruct the Coroner to re-open the inquiry into Dinesh Raman’s death.

Drain on state's resources? What bs! They used the total resources of one ministry to go after the WP TC over cleaning of high ceilings. In the process, dengue went out of control. Rats became a problem in other PAP-run hawker centres. And the government didn't know how to handle the haze situation.

The PAP government has something to hide ...that's why it was so quick to end the coroner inquiry and find a scapegoat who was given only a slap in the wrist.
 
So, this has become another you-said-this and I-didn't-say-that episode. Why lah? Why the government always come out to say something that it can't defend itself?

If we had good journalism, the government would be skewered to resignation.
 
Singaporeans should collectively sue her for giving birth to a monster in the first place.

Had he not been exterminated, he would have got out of prison to do even more harm.

I wonder some people who aren't friendly with your family would say when you were brought into this world? the same thing, most likely. There is some decorum in making comments, not good to comment on his mother.

Nobody would want to bring a child into this world & bring them up wayward, it is very heart broken...what is your upbringing? maybe we should collectively sue your.....??
 
This case reminds me of another...

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Madam Amutha Valli, 50, was unwell and would only be able to attend the hearing next week. The woman at the centre of the exorcism suit against Novena Church was 'slithering like a snake, shouting and screaming like Satan and marching like a soldier,' a defence lawyer told the High Court at the start of the trial on Wednesday morning. Another defence counsel said Madam Amutha Valli, 50 (ABOVE), who is seeking damages for what she claimed was a forced exorcism on her, said she is a alcoholic. These startling revelations were made at the opening of the hearing in the High Court on Wednesday morning to determine if the Catholic priests had performed an exorcism ritual on Madam Amutha at the Novena Church
 
So, the PAP government is clueless on the compensation quantum and wants the family to provide the figure. With so many scholars in the government, they can't even do a simple computation. Let us help the government here lah.
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Low compensation - $1.06 million
Salary at $2000 per month for 44 years = $1.06 million
- retirement at 65 years
- no provision made for increment
- no provision made for inflation
- no AWS
- no bonus

Acceptable compensation -$1.8 million
Salary at $1500 per month (plus ASW and 2 months bonus) for 10 years = $225k
Salary at $2000 per month for 10 years (plus ASW and 2 months bonus) = $300k
Salary at $3000 per month for 10 years (plus ASW and 2 months bonus) = $450k
Salary at $4000 per month for 14 years (plus ASW and 2 months bonus) = $840k
Assume AWS of 1 month
Assume Bonus of 2 months per year

It is obvious that the PAP government doesn't even want to pay the lowball figure.
 
Low compensation - $1.06 million
Salary at $2000 per month for 44 years = $1.06 million
- retirement at 65 years
- no provision made for increment
- no provision made for inflation
- no AWS
- no bonus

You calculation assumes that scumbag would have spent nothing on himself and handed over his entire salary to his family... something that would not happen in a million years. :rolleyes:

The next time you do any calculations, engage your brain first.
 
The people here must be poor in math. For a convict without even an ITE cert, and ignoring the fact that he may return to bars, how likely is it for him to contribute $2,000 per month to the family?
 
more like lawyers are scoping the whole lot in their legal fees.


Singaporeans should collectively sue her for giving birth to a monster in the first place.

Had he not been exterminated, he would have got out of prison to do even more harm.
 
how about a chance of striking 1st price in lottery.

Taking into account he play lottery 1 once a week which is 52 times a year then times 30 yrs which is 1,560 chances of taking the 1st price.

You calculation assumes that scumbag would have spent nothing on himself and handed over his entire salary to his family... something that would not happen in a million years. :rolleyes:

The next time you do any calculations, engage your brain first.
 
how about a chance of striking 1st price in lottery.

Taking into account he play lottery 1 once a week which is 52 times a year then times 30 yrs which is 1,560 chances of taking the 1st price.

Bingo ....................
 
how about a chance of striking 1st price in lottery.

Taking into account he play lottery 1 once a week which is 52 times a year then times 30 yrs which is 1,560 chances of taking the 1st price.

Haha...not forgetting other 'possibilities' in life such as:

- rich uncle give him inheritance of few million dollars
- he learn programming from ITE and start up the new Facebook
- he strike Toto first prize, single winner
- he finds a goldmine
 
The people here must be poor in math. For a convict without even an ITE cert, and ignoring the fact that he may return to bars, how likely is it for him to contribute $2,000 per month to the family?

how much he is worth or not worth is not the issue here. He is already dead. The family is seeking justice not money.

In the end, it is a failure on the part of the state to execute its responsibility of treatment of those held in prison. If a contractor is suppose to build a bridge and the bridge collapses killing 2 people, whether the people are from the mafia or are teachers is besides the point - it is still not okay to build a bridge that is structurally faulty. Some people have problems understanding this and keep harping on the dead man's past.

1. Were there CCTVs to prevent abuse of prisoners? If there isn't, it is a flawed design and there is negligence.

2. If there is CCTV footage, please produce it so that it can be examined to determine the truth.
 
what about sue gahment for flaws in the CPF and HDB policy which do not allow you to refinance your equity growth. Why should you have to sell your HDB to get your equity growth and buy another HDB at the current HDB price which you have sold. Lppl can work meh?

why should you take another bigger loan and add anther 25 years of loan repayment?





You calculation assumes that scumbag would have spent nothing on himself and handed over his entire salary to his family... something that would not happen in a million years. :rolleyes:

The next time you do any calculations, engage your brain first.
 
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The people here must be poor in math. For a convict without even an ITE cert, and ignoring the fact that he may return to bars, how likely is it for him to contribute $2,000 per month to the family?

He may return to bars or he may not ...how would you know which will happen? Why can't you think that he can turn over a new leaf? If you screw up once, should we write you off?

$2k salary is totally within his earning capacity ...what's your figure?

Stop being a racist and deal with facts.
 
how much he is worth or not worth is not the issue here. He is already dead. The family is seeking justice not money.

In the end, it is a failure on the part of the state to execute its responsibility of treatment of those held in prison. If a contractor is suppose to build a bridge and the bridge collapses killing 2 people, whether the people are from the mafia or are teachers is besides the point - it is still not okay to build a bridge that is structurally faulty. Some people have problems understanding this and keep harping on the dead man's past.

1. Were there CCTVs to prevent abuse of prisoners? If there isn't, it is a flawed design and there is negligence.

2. If there is CCTV footage, please produce it so that it can be examined to determine the truth.

Hear, hear ...

Therefore, we need a Commission of Inquiry to:

- find out what exactly happened
- make recommendations to prevent such things from happening again
- enact those recommendations after a healthy debate in Parliament

These are exactly what you would do if a bridge incident; AIM fixing; etc occurred.
 
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