"Hurry up and die" you Tube People....hurry up!!!

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Let elderly people 'hurry up and die', says Japanese minister..
Taro Aso says he would refuse end-of-life care and would 'feel bad' knowing treatment was paid for by government...

new government is barely a month old, and already one of its most senior members has insulted tens of millions of voters by suggesting that the elderly are an unnecessary drain on the country's finances.

Taro Aso, the finance minister, said on Monday that the elderly should be allowed to "hurry up and die" to relieve pressure on the state to pay for their medical care.

"Heaven forbid if you are forced to live on when you want to die. I would wake up feeling increasingly bad knowing that [treatment] was all being paid for by the government," he said during a meeting of the national council on social security reforms. "The problem won't be solved unless you let them hurry up and die."

Aso's comments are likely to cause offence in Japan, where almost a quarter of the 128 million population is aged over 60. The proportion is forecast to rise to 40% over the next 50 years.

The remarks are also an unwelcome distraction for the new prime minister, Shinzo Abe, whose first period as Japan's leader ended with his resignation after just a year, in 2007, partly due to a string of gaffes by members of his cabinet.

Rising welfare costs, particularly for the elderly, were behind a decision last year to double consumption [sales] tax to 10% over the next three years, a move Aso's Liberal Democratic party supported.

The 72-year-old, who doubles as deputy prime minister, said he would refuse end-of-life care. "I don't need that kind of care," he said in comments quoted by local media, adding that he had written a note instructing his family to deny him life-prolonging medical treatment.

To compound the insult, he referred to elderly patients who are no longer able to feed themselves as "tube people". The health and welfare ministry, he added, was "well aware that it costs several tens of millions of yen" a month to treat a single patient in the final stages of life.

Cost aside, caring for the elderly is a major challenge for Japan's stretched social services. According to a report this week, the number of households receiving welfare, which include family members aged 65 or over, stood at more than 678,000, or about 40% of the total. The country is also tackling a rise in the number of people who die alone, most of whom are elderly. In 2010, 4.6 million elderly people lived alone, and the number who died at home soared 61% between 2003 and 2010, from 1,364 to 2,194, according to the bureau of social welfare and public health in Tokyo.

The government is planning to reduce welfare expenditure in its next budget, due to go into force this April, with details of the cuts expected within days.

Aso, who has a propensity for verbal blunders, later attempted to clarify his comments. He acknowledged his language had been "inappropriate" in a public forum and insisted he was talking only about his personal preference.

"I said what I personally believe, not what the end-of-life medical care system should be," he told reporters. "It is important that you be able spend the final days of your life peacefully."

It is not the first time Aso, one of Japan's wealthiest politicians, has questioned the state's duty towards its large elderly population. In 2008, while serving as prime minister, he described "doddering" pensioners as tax burdens who should take better care of their health.

"I see people aged 67 or 68 at class reunions who dodder around and are constantly going to the doctor," he said at a meeting of economists. "Why should I have to pay for people who just eat and drink and make no effort? I walk every day and do other things, but I'm paying more in taxes."

He had already angered the country's doctors by telling them they lacked common sense, made a joke about Alzheimer's patients, and pronounced "penniless young men" unfit for marriage.

In 2001, he said he wanted Japan to become the kind of successful country in which "the richest Jews would want to live".

He once likened an opposition party to the Nazis, praised Japan's colonial rule in Taiwan and, as foreign minister, told US diplomats they would never be trusted in Middle East peace negotiations because they have "blue eyes and blond hair".

While figures released on Monday showed a record 2.14 million Japanese were receiving welfare in October 2012, Aso has led a life of privilege few of his compatriots could hope to match.

He is the grandson of Shigeru Yoshida, an influential postwar prime minister, and is married to the daughter of another former premier.

While campaigning for the premiership in 2008, Aso refused to acknowledge the use of hundreds of allied prisoners of war by his family's coal mining business during the second world war. He served as president of the firm's successor, Aso Cement, from 1973-79.
 
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the care of the aged, the elderly and the disable is an enormous problem world-wide...
how many of you are volunteers?

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do you spend some time here helping the sick and comforting the disabled ?
 
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do you spend some time here helping the sick and comforting the disabled ?

Kopiuncle, excuse me, perhaps for my impertinance. Maybe I did not read or pay enough attention to your numerous postings. It is a indeed a surprise for me to note that other than squabbling with other forumners at SBF, you do have, by posting this thread, show another compassionate side of yourself.

In any case, the comments of this Jap ministar is not at all surprising. Japs have a supposed tradition known as Ubasute (姥捨て?, lit. "abandoning an old woman", also called "obasute" and sometimes "oyasute") refers to the custom allegedly performed in Japan in the distant past[when?], whereby an infirm or elderly relative was carried to a mountain, or some other remote, desolate place, and left there to die, either by dehydration, starvation, or exposure. The practice was allegedly most common during times of drought and famine, and was sometimes mandated by feudal officials.[Wikipedia).

Further, this practice of ubasute is explored at length in Japanese director Keisuke Kinoshita's The Ballad of Narayama (1958), Korean director Kim Ki-young's Goryeojang (1963), and Shohei Imamura's The Ballad of Narayama, which won the Palme d'Or in 1983. (Wikipedia).

In contemprary corporate Japan, there is also a common practice in big companies of shunting staff aside once they reach the age of 55. So for example, a normal manager or even higher level one, upon reaching age of 55 will have to step aside and let a younger colleague to take over the reins of management. Sometimes if they are lucky enough, they are placed in advisory roles or research, training, consultative centres until their statutory retirement of 60. Otherwise, then, it will be window starer for the next 5 years. And, this humiliating practice is so strong that few of them raise any objections to such an action by the Company, for everyone knows well, come what may, it will happen to a man once he reaches the age of 55. Of course, there are exceptions, and these are amongst the top management earmarked for higher responsibilites or with very strong support from others within the Company and who can still retain position, status and power after 55. Those that are unwilling to accept a reduced role may sometimes leave the company and go do their own business or join some organisation where their long experiences are more appreciated.

Comparing the Japs and us in Singapore, we are very very very far behind. At least the Japs show their humanity to their own people by respecting and following the traditions of taking care of their employees till statutory retirement. Most of us will know that local PMETs after the age of 45 run high risks of being retrenched comes a downturn. Somehow older PMETs are treated as high costs, high demands and inflexible beings and some companies, especially MNCs, even find all ways and means to get them replaced by younger and cheaper colleagues. Many older PMETs then ended up jobless for years or drifted into lower end jobs like cab drivers, cooks and eventually even security guards, waiters and hawker centre cleaners.

The powers that be are yet to wake up to their ideas of legislating to protect and safeguard the livelihood of older Singaporeans and stamp out discriminatory practices against older workers, despite all the hu ha about an inclusive society and the Asian tradition of respecting the old. Guess the ang mos do know their stuff of how to take care of their own people, first and foremost.

So very very sad neh, such occurences seen in a supposedly first world country.

Just two cents worth of my thoughts after going through your thread, ok!
 
#9 prancku

Thank you for your wonderful contribution. This is going to be a big issue in the future as we grow older and as the society turns silver and grey. How are we going to treat the elderly, manage the elderly and take care of the elderly will be one big big socio-economic-political issue. I hope all of us will age gracefully and pass on peacefully without adding too much burden on our children, grandchildren and the society which support us. Thank you.
 
it is better to be a vegetarian when youa re young and take care of your health well. when you are old, you aged gracefully.

i am planning my marathon on my 80th birthday.
 
When I was at 44yo there was a retrenchment exercise in my former company. I asked to be retrenched so that the younger chaps and those in need of a job to support their family could stay on but unfortunately my request fell on deaf ears. 1 by 1 I see my younger co-workers and those that needed a job to support their 4 or 5 young offsprings and aged parents asked to leave. As 1 by 1 of my co-workers left their jobs were redistributed to the remaining staff until a time I was doing the job of 3 person and sometimes I would skip lunch and teabreak just to meet the deadline because in my line of work by 4pm all work on trains must stop and prep for evening peak hour service. It came a time when I totally gave up and retired from work at the age of 48. Now I heard some of these depts. are starting to have a FT/FW infestation. The reason management gave from what I heard is that locals refuse to do the job and they could not find local repacements :(
 
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