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SMRT probe: Police ask film-maker for laptop, phone

By Tham Yuen-c

AN INVESTIGATION into claims by two former SMRT bus drivers of police brutality stirred up controversy yesterday when a film-maker was asked to surrender her laptop, desktop computer and mobile phone to the police.

Ms Lynn Lee said yesterday in a Facebook post that four police officers went to her house in the morning to seize her belongings.

She shot videos of He Jun Ling and Liu Xiangying complaining they had been slapped, punched and threatened while they were held for questioning last November over an illegal strike.

In her Facebook post, Ms Lee said the officers could not explain why they needed the items for their investigations. She then called lawyer M. Ravi for help.

Mr Ravi told The Straits Times that the police should not have attempted to seize Ms Lee's items because she was not being investigated by the police. Neither were the two former bus drivers.

The matter was resolved after Mr Ravi called the Attorney-General's Chambers (AGC), from which the police had obtained the letter of authorisation for the seizure. One is required before they can seize items needed to investigate a non-arrestable offence.

The AGC, in a statement, said chief prosecutor Aedit Abdullah agreed after a short discussion with Mr Ravi that Ms Lee could take her laptop and mobile phone to the police station for the checks to be done in her presence.

On Tuesday, the Ministry of Home Affairs said it had opened a probe into the bus drivers' allegations even though no police report has been made because they were "serious".

The investigation was led by the Internal Affairs Office, an independent unit within the Singapore Police Force that investigates disciplinary offences or crimes committed by officers during the course of their work.

That day, Ms Lee was asked to hand over to the police a hard drive in which her interviews with the drivers were saved.

In another Facebook post on Wednesday, she said she went to the police headquarters for an interview. She added that she was "thrilled" that the police were investigating the matter.

Efforts to contact Ms Lee yesterday via her Facebook account and company were not successful.

Said Mr Ravi: "They are not investigating my client; they are in fact investigating the police - therefore, it was overzealous on their part to seize her things."

He, 32, and Liu, 33, are among four Chinese nationals charged with instigating a strike last November in which 171 bus drivers stayed away from work. A pre-trial conference has been scheduled for today to set their trial dates.

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It is appalling that the police are so ignorant of the rights of sinkees!
 
It is appalling that the police are so ignorant of the rights of sinkees!

And a lot of these mata kias are damn yaya papaya. They think they're big fucks wearing a cop uniform with a badge and a gun.
 
A couple of years back, while waiting for my girlfriend to get off work, a 'policeman' in plain clothes asked to see my ID as he felt I was suspicious, loitering around the place. I asked him to explain why and show me his ID. He was first stunned and then quickly turned to anger, then panic when he could not show his ID as I picked up my phone to call the neighborhood police to report a civil servant impersonation.

Soon, his friend arrive and show me his police ID. I quickly took a picture of it and he was taken by surprise. I insisted on seeing his friend's ID and said he is abetting his friend and therefore, is an accomplice if his friend is impersonating a police officer.

That's when both of them say it is okay and decided to walk away. I said, "no, please wait for the neighborhood police and I intend to make a police report on impersonation and being threaten". You can see his friend panicking and then they started to come clean. The guy who is a police has enlisted the help of his friend as he is looking for a suspects but felt he is shorthanded. What a load of crap but I decided enough is enough. I warned them not to do this again and let them go.

They walked away quickly with their tails between their legs.
 
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People are now asking these questions - can anyone working in law enforcement, or lawyers, help with the answers?

1) If the police come to your house, are you obliged to let them in if they don't provide any documentation (warrant/court order etc.)?

2) If the police asks you to turn over personal items, are you obliged to do so? (again without a court order)

3) If the police asks you to go to the station for questioning, are you obliged to do so?

4) What are your rights before and during interrogation, and do they differ if you are at the station of your own volition vs. being formally arrested?

e.g. (i) Can you make any phone calls to your family members and/or a lawyer?
(ii) Can any person of your choosing be present during questioning, or be able to view the interrogation in another room?
(iii) Can you request for your interrogation to be videotaped or recorded in any way?
(iv) Does the police have any authority to stop you from communicating with 'the outside world' during the interrogation?
(v) Can they refuse you water, food or bathroom breaks?
(vi) Can they physically handle you in any way, including but not limited to searching your body and possessions?
(vii) How long can you be detained and questioned without a formal arrest taking place?
(viii) If you had gone to the police station voluntarily, can you choose to leave at any time?
 
It is appalling that the police are so ignorant of the rights of sinkees!

It's apalling that sinkies don't bother to find out their rights.

Its even more apalling that sinkies who knows their rights are balless to challenge authorities to respect their rights.
 
And a lot of these mata kias are damn yaya papaya. They think they're big fucks wearing a cop uniform with a badge and a gun.

No need mata kias. I have seen Cisco 'security' guard behaving as if they were kings.
 
Once again let my mentor on Rights explain to all sinkies.

Start from 4 min 27 sec. Unless you also want to learn more about bible and swearing.

[video=youtube;gaa9iw85tW8]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gaa9iw85tW8[/video]
 
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The police are never your friends.

Don't be bullshitted by their propaganda on Crimewatch, or be misled into thinking that 'If I have done nothing wrong and have nothing to hide, why should I fear cops?'. Contrary to what is shown on Hollywood flicks, they are not even 'protectors' or 'defenders of justice'.

The police are primarily law enforcers. If the laws are unjust and corrupted, they will enforce that too. They don't care about you.

[video=youtube;6wXkI4t7nuc]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wXkI4t7nuc[/video]

You are not obliged to cooperate with them. Know your rights and always have a lawyer present whenever possible.
 
what rights ? do we have


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Mr Ravi s/o Madasamy (formerly of M Ravi & Co)

has joined L F Violet Netto with effect from 3 April 2009

and is practising at the following address and contact numbers:

101 Upper Cross Street
#05-45 People's Park Centre
Singapore 058357
Tel: 6533 7433
Fax: 6532 4301
 
A couple of years back, while waiting for my girlfriend to get off work, a 'policeman' in plain clothes asked to see my ID as he felt I was suspicious, loitering around the place. I asked him to explain why and show me his ID. He was first stunned and then quickly turned to anger, then panic when he could not show his ID as I picked up my phone to call the neighborhood police to report a civil servant impersonation.

Soon, his friend arrive and show me his police ID. I quickly took a picture of it and he was taken by surprise. I insisted on seeing his friend's ID and said he is abetting his friend and therefore, is an accomplice if his friend is impersonating a police officer.

That's when both of them say it is okay and decided to walk away. I said, "no, please wait for the neighborhood police and I intend to make a police report on impersonation and being threaten". You can see his friend panicking and then they started to come clean. The guy who is a police has enlisted the help of his friend as he is looking for a suspects but felt he is shorthanded. What a load of crap but I decided enough is enough. I warned them not to do this again and let them go.

They walked away quickly with their tails between their legs.


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Thanks info . Stored NP Post tel numbers in my phone .
 
And a lot of these mata kias are damn yaya papaya. They think they're big fucks wearing a cop uniform with a badge and a gun.

You should know that in sinkieland wearing a police uniform is just a way to abuse others and to show off one's power. Civil serpents are like this.
 
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