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India, Rape and the political will to do justice.

scroobal

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By now you must be affected by this week's sorry event that led to the death of a young lady. Singapore and Singaporeans did play a part in trying to save her. It was not to be. The immediate reaction in the minds of many is how soon and how badly the 7 sorry assess called men (one still missing) should be treated. I have no qualms and I guess many others feel the same when it comes to pulling the lever that springs open the trap door.

India and the Philippines are two countries and two democracies that are the most corrupted and with little or no regard for the human life. Corruptions starts at the top and flows thru every vein of every institution of state.

Reports not taken, cases buried, culprits not prosecuted and justice is a fleeting notion. These are countries where democracy is a joke.

The world has a duty to act when these countries can't treat their own people with a modicum of respect. Each and every one of us can play a part to shame these countries in your own way. Stop buying their products, stop employing them, stop treating them with respect and make it absolutely clear that they need to get their house in order.

If each country was stop issuing visas to the families of cabinet members of both countries, it will send a clear message. Until it hurts their own families, nothing will change. The moment their spouses can't enjoy the good life in a first world country or their kids can't study abroad, their will feel the heat. If world and the people act in unison, it will make a difference.
 
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Well said. Ah neh and Pinoys suck and stink like hell.

We must stop them to come here and corrupt us. We must all boycott them.

Don't forget those Ah Tiongs. They suck also.
 
Well if these 2 countries cant get their act together, what right has the international community to go poke their noses into their business. Than it will be like Iraq and Afghanistan,,and the invasion will never stop. Just like Singapore,,,PAP is totally corrupt but 60% still vote for them. So will the USA invade and get rid of pap?

anyway for the indian case,,,it has become tooo politically sensitive for the authorities to do nothing. Now all the corrupt buggers are keeping a low profile and the book will definitely be thrown at the rapists as the gahmen now has to maintain its 'reputation'. Or risk a revolt and more demonstrations. But for the future, no one knows if they will go back to the business as usual mode again,,but most likely they will.

The country is crap,,but unfortunately, many countries are letting in such shitskins that they have made their own country crap too,,,stupid western left wing bleeding heart liberals,,,


By now you must be affected by this week's sorry event that led to the death of a young lady. Singapore and Singaporeans did play a part in trying to save her. It was not to be. The immediate reaction in the minds of many is how soon and how badly the 7 sorry assess called men (one still missing) should be treated. I have no qualms and I guess many others feel the same when it comes to pulling the lever that springs open the trap door.

India and the Philippines are two countries and two democracies that are the most corrupted and with little or no regard for the human life. Corruptions starts at the top and flows thru every vein of every institution of state.

Reports not taken, cases buried, culprits not prosecuted and justice is a fleeting notion. These are countries where democracy is a joke.

The world has a duty to act when these countries can't treat their own people with a modicum of respect. Each and every one of us can play a part to shame these countries in your own way. Stop buying their products, stop employing them, stop treating them with respect and make it absolutely clear that they need to get their house in order.

If each country was stop issuing visas to the families of cabinet members of both countries, it will send a clear message. Until it hurts their own families, nothing will change. The moment their spouses can't enjoy the good life in a first world country or their kids can't study abroad, their will feel the heat. If world and the people act in unison, it will make a difference.
 
For democracy to work, there must be a strong educated middle class that is not beholden to the rich. India and Philippines are not democracies. Major portion of pop live on less than $2 a day, there is no proper sewer system and people defecate on the streets, the totally undemocratic caste system is widely accepted. If India were a true democracy, the leaders would have been voted out 2 decades ago. Instead we have same old house of Gandhi running Congress.
 
For democracy to work, there must be a strong educated middle class that is not beholden to the rich. India and Philippines are not democracies. Major portion of pop live on less than $2 a day, there is no proper sewer system and people defecate on the streets, the totally undemocratic caste system is widely accepted. If India were a true democracy, the leaders would have been voted out 2 decades ago. Instead we have same old house of Gandhi running Congress.

Sorry sir, it should be the House of Nehru and Not GANDHI.

Nehru, the first PM of newly-independent India was an ambitious man who was extremely jealous of Md Ali Jinnah.

From the very start, Nehru had desires to entrench his family as a ruling class. Thats why he brought in his corrupted and despotic daughter Indira Gandhi.

Gandhi aka Mahatma Gandhi was just an ordinary person who fought for independence and was later assassinated.

How the name got stuck to Indira Gandhi was that she eloped with and married a Parsi by name of Feroz Gandhi, hence the name Gandhi.

Thats why we have Rajiv Gandhi, Sanjay Gandhi, Sonia Gandhi and now Rahul and Priyanka.
 
Not calling for intervention in domestic politics or invasion. Just asking that we do not cooperate with their nationals. If 1st world countries deny their families visas, it has a direct impact.

I can tell you that this storm will die off just as Commonwealth Games debacle died down and nothing has happened. The same Chief Minister is still sitting there. They are now pretending that nothing has happened.



Well if these 2 countries cant get their act together, what right has the international community to go poke their noses into their business. Than it will be like Iraq and Afghanistan,,and the invasion will never stop. Just like Singapore,,,PAP is totally corrupt but 60% still vote for them. So will the USA invade and get rid of pap?
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Not calling for intervention in domestic politics or invasion. Just asking that we do not cooperate with their nationals. If 1st world countries deny their families visas, it has a direct impact.

I can tell you that this storm will die off just as Commonwealth Games debacle died down and nothing has happened. The same Chief Minister is still sitting there. They are now pretending that nothing has happened.

Thats why they have an apt name, INCREDIBLE INDIA
 
its their own domestic affairs,,its up to them to change it,,,,if we dont cooperate with their nationals dont do business etc,,,than we eat what? just depend on americans? we should be like the ah tiongs,,dont want them,,want their money,,,and we should not be letting these people into the country,,,as the sex crimes in singapore will go up and it is going up,,,

Not calling for intervention in domestic politics or invasion. Just asking that we do not cooperate with their nationals. If 1st world countries deny their families visas, it has a direct impact.

I can tell you that this storm will die off just as Commonwealth Games debacle died down and nothing has happened. The same Chief Minister is still sitting there. They are now pretending that nothing has happened.
 
Not calling for intervention in domestic politics or invasion. Just asking that we do not cooperate with their nationals. If 1st world countries deny their families visas, it has a direct impact.

But but... we are a small and vulnerable city state! We cannot afford to cut off our ties to a high potential emerging market such as India! Not to mention with the various passive investments made by Temasek and the GLCs, it would be disastrous if our impulsive decisions would come to bite us back! No I say, let us keep to the old ASEAN mantra, "see no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil" when it comes to the domestic politics of foreign nations. That is what a good neighbour would do now, isn't it?
 
I just feel sorry for their people. It reminds me how the whole world except for PRC and Singapore have denied Robert Mugabe and his family visas to travel. So now the wife does all her shopping in Singapore and HK. She has even assaulted service staff in HK.

Family members have strong influences over the patriarch. The Burmese Junta always had a outlet in Singapore with properties and high life here and with their children studying here. Why would they change if their personal lifestyle are not affected.


its their own domestic affairs,,its up to them to change it,,,,if we dont cooperate with their nationals dont do business etc,,,than we eat what? just depend on americans? we should be like the ah tiongs,,dont want them,,want their money,,,and we should not be letting these people into the country,,,as the sex crimes in singapore will go up and it is going up,,,
 
Family members have strong influences over the patriarch. The Burmese Junta always had a outlet in Singapore with properties and high life here and with their children studying here. Why would they change if their personal lifestyle are not affected.

But that is why we have a competitive advantage! When Cecilia Sue's oral cavity found its way into the pants of Boon Gay, she might have thought that would give her a little edge over the competition. A masterstroke, I say! This is one sustainable advantage that cannot be easily replicated in first world nations. You worry too much about moralism in this day and age!

You only live once, yah? Let the big nations impose the sanctions and fight for world peace. We small nations can affect little but we would gain much benefit from the moral inflexibility of those arrogant, uppity westerners!
 
Totally agree with scroobal....sinkie banks, to start with, should not accept any money from Indians without income tax clearance of the money from India... Same for property co's...

All countries should do that, for pinoys also...
 
The founder of DHL who used to reside in Manila and Guam was a notorious padeophile who fathered children with girls aged 10 and 11 years. Because of his profile, the authorities were fully aware what he was doing but no one in Govt intervened. Even today, it is not a problem procuring young kids while staying in a 5 star hotel in Manila.

Yet old man offered Marcos asylum in Singapore.

These people will not behave like this if there families cannot leave the country.

Totally agree with scroobal....sinkie banks, to start with, should not accept any money from Indians without income tax clearance of the money from India... Same for property co's...

All countries should do that, for pinoys also...
 
Singapore should suspend the CECA and FTA with India. What is it that we'll get from them anyway - rapists, racists, leeches, murderers, ingrates, frauds, swindlers, smells, and general gloominess? see what they found in UK..

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/h...itains-danger-doctors-are-trained-abroad.html

Revealed: 3 in 4 of Britain's danger doctors are trained abroad
The vast majority of doctors who have been struck off in the past five years were trained abroad, new figures from the General Medical Council show.

From left: David Gray, who died following a lethal dosage of diamorphine; Nicola Sams, whose cancer was missed; Nicholas Shakespeare, who, after his son was made ill by the wrong jab, exposed Dr Maurice Saadien-Raad Photo: JOHN ROBERTSON/CENTRAL NEWS/NICHOLAS SHAKESPEARE
By Ben Leach, and Laura Donnelly, Health Correspondent9:00PM GMT 29 Dec 20121653 Comments
The full extent of the danger presented by foreign doctors working in the health service can be revealed.
New figures from the General Medical Council (GMC) show that the vast majority of doctors who have been struck off were trained abroad.
The revelations will add to concerns that NHS patients are not adequately protected from health professionals from countries where training is less rigorous than in the UK, and from those who are unfamiliar with basic medical practices in this country.
The figures, disclosed for the first time and obtained by The Sunday Telegraph using freedom of information laws, show:
• Three quarters of doctors struck off the medical register this year were trained abroad.
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• Doctors trained overseas are five times more likely to be struck off than those trained in the UK.
• The country with the biggest single number of doctors who have been removed or suspended from the medical register, is India, followed by Nigeria and Egypt.
In total, 669 doctors have been either struck off or suspended by the GMC over the last five years.
Of those, only 249 were British (37 per cent) while 420 (63 per cent) were trained abroad – whereas one-third of doctors on the register were trained abroad, and two-thirds in Britain.
In recent years, a series of cases have raised concerns about the competence and language skills of overseas doctors.
In 2008, the pensioner David Gray was killed by a German-trained doctor, Daniel Ubani, who gave him ten times the recommended dose of pain relief while working as a locum.
Dr Ubani, who was born in Nigeria, was working his first shift in this country and later said he had never heard of the medication diamorphine, which is not commonly used by GPs in Germany, before he administered it.
A series of other cases at the GMC have included Vladan Visnjevac, struck off after a baby girl he was delivering died of a fractured skull and brain injuries when he used forceps wrongly, and Navin Shankar, who failed to diagnose a young woman’s cancer over six years before her death.
Julia Manning, chief executive of centre-right think tank 2020 Health said: “These figures are really worrying and shocking. I think we need to take a really hard look at the assessment of all doctors coming into this country.”
Mrs Manning said she was concerned that the European Working Time Directive, which restricts doctors’ hours, had left hospitals relying too heavily on locum staff, including those who were not familiar with British medical practices or the routines of the NHS.
“If I was a hospital chief executive looking at these figures I would be going to work tomorrow to check just how rigorously have we assessed our own doctors,” she said.
Worst five countries by number

Average number of doctors in UK since 2008
Struck off or suspended
India
25,989
123

Egypt
2,957
33
Nigeria
3,564
33
Pakistan
8,139
32
Iraq
2,257
18
Under the current system, British hospitals and medical agencies which hire doctors are not allowed to test the language skills of those from EU countries to seek if staff will be able to communicate safely.
Until now, Britain has interpreted EU law as meaning that doctors who qualify in any of the 27 countries must be free to work elsewhere, without restriction.
The coalition has promised to change the law, so that doctors will have to prove they can speak English before they get work here, but the changes are bogged down in discussions in Brussels.
Many of the problems with locum medics arose after Labour’s 2006 GP contract meant that family doctors were able to give up responsibility for out-of-hours care, with private agencies taking over.
In recent years, locums have been increasingly used to plug gaps in care, because of shortages of doctors thanks to Britain’s strict adherence to the European Working Time Directive, which limits their hours.
Since a 48-hour maximum week came in two years ago, the number of doctors who trained elsewhere in Europe but are registered to work in the UK has risen by 13 per cent.
Those who come here from beyond Europe are subject to a language test, and a multiple choice exam, which can be taken repeatedly until it passed, before a practical assessment is made.
The new figures from the GMC give the first detailed picture of the problem facing medical regulators.
Last night, there were calls for extra safeguards and training to ensure that any doctor working in this country is familiar with the drugs and procedures used in this country.
The newly disclosed figures also suggest that the picture is worsening.
Of the 39 doctors struck off by the General Medical Council this year, 29 were trained outside the UK – 75 per cent of the total – whereas in 2009, 41 of a total of 67 doctors struck off came from overseas, 61 per cent of the total.
The figures show that India has the highest number of doctors who have been suspended or struck off the register with 123. Nigeria and Egypt also fare badly, each with 33 doctors subject to the measures since 2008. Eastern European countries account for 27 such cases.
When the numbers of doctors disciplined is compared with the total number working here from each country, the highest proportion of those who have been struck off or suspended come from Cameroon.
Since 2008, there has been average of 18 Cameroonian doctors working here at any one time.
Of those, one has been suspended, and one struck off. Mexico, Cuba, France and Uganda were the countries with the next highest proportion of doctors subject to the disciplinary measures.
The country with the best record is Hong Kong. Despite having an average of 773 doctors working in the UK since 2008, none have been struck off or disciplined by the GMC.
Similarly, New Zealand has had an average of 600 doctors working in Britain, but none have had those measures taken against them. Next best were Iran, Slovakia and the United States.
There are around 253,000 doctors on the medical register. Around 92,000 were trained abroad, an increase of around 2,000 over the past year.
Of those, more than 25,000 were trained in Europe and around 67,000 were trained in other countries.
Doctors from outside Europe have to take a test before they can work in the UK, but the GMC can refuse entry to those from medical schools which do not meet its official standards or those agreed internationally.
There have been long-standing concerns about the difficulties of monitoring the standards of training in distant overseas countries.
In 2010, graduates from seven medical schools from Nigeria were banned from seeking work in the UK, because of alarm over falling standards of training.
Corruption in medicine remains common in India, most often in the form of bribes to gain access to treatment.
In 2010, the president of the Medical Council of India was accused of accepting bribes to certify medical colleges which did not meet basic standards.
The investigation was closed earlier this year, after insufficient evidence was found to support the claims.

Last month, the same council barred 27 doctors from their register for their part in setting up fraudulent medical courses.
Some doctors claimed they were running two medical colleges simultaneously, while other courses claimed to have far more consultants to train students than they actually did.
Niall Dickson, chief executive of the GMC, said the health service would not have survived without the contribution from overseas doctors, and that it was important not to demonise tens of thousands of professionals who had brought their skills to this country.
He said: “We absolutely acknowledge that when it comes to the serious end of the scale, those from overseas are more likely to appear, and we have set about a series of reforms to address this.”
The regulator is reviewing the tests set for doctors from outside the EU, having raised the language standard requirements, and is about to pilot a new induction programme so all doctors who are new to UK practice undergo extra training about how medicine operates in this country and the ethical and professional standards they are expected to meet.
From this month, all UK doctors will also have annual checks of their competence, under a new licensing system called revalidation.
Dr Umesh Prahbu, national vice-chairman of the British International Doctors Association, said he believed the reasons why overseas doctors are far more likely to be struck off were complex and varied.
He said: “The NHS is known for having problems with discrimination and racism and I think this is part of it.”
Dr Prahbu said that patients were no more likely to lodge complaints about doctors trained overseas than they were about those from the UK, yet when it came to referrals from NHS trusts, foreign doctors were far more likely to be referred to the GMC.
Analysis of the 2008 to 2012 figures shows that among cases of those struck off, 17 per cent of those involving UK-trained doctors began with a complaint from a patient, compared with 11 per cent in the case of those from abroad.
Dr Prahbu, medical director of Wrightington, Wigan and Leigh NHS foundation trust, said other problems stemmed from cultural differences and communication problems, more than from differences in clinical training.
Dr Prahbu, who trained in India, said the technical training was very similar to that in the UK, but it was more difficult to learn about the “softer” skills and ensure that patients felt treated with courtesy.
A Department of Health spokesman said the checks being introduced would “ensure that the small number of dangerous, often overseas trained, locum doctors who do not understand the British medical system are stopped from treating patients.”
 
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Revealed: 3 in 4 of Britain's danger doctors are trained abroad
Worst five countries by number

Average number of doctors in UK since 2008
Struck off or suspended
India
25,989
123

Egypt
2,957
33
Nigeria
3,564
33
Pakistan
8,139
32
Iraq
2,257
18

Praise be to PAP! We haven't had a single case of malpractice by the doctors hired from the subcontinent. This proves without a doubt that our selection process has been extremely stringent. Well done PAP! More good years!
 
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