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Man loses S$6,000 in unhonoured online purchase

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Man loses S$6,000 in unhonoured online purchase

By Claire Huang | Posted: 22 December 2012 2022 hrs

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SINGAPORE: 21-year-old Kenrick Ho is S$6,000 poorer after an online purchase gone wrong.

He had ordered 10 mobile phone sets from an eBay seller named Ms Siah, in September 2012.

But after making full payment, no goods were delivered.

"(I am) very depressed and stressed because I can do a lot with S$6,000," he lamented. "What if I need the money urgently? The seller said she'd refund the money, but she kept delaying it."

Like Mr Ho, 46-year-old Madam Teo Kim Sang ordered three mobile phone sets and paid Ms Siah S$1,500 in October.

After much hassle, Madam Teo managed to get a refund of S$750, two weeks after she made full payment.

She said: "If today is Saturday, she'll say '(On) Friday I'll update you, whether I get the phone, whether I deliver, all these things' and sometimes she'll say '(On) Friday I'll deliver (the phones)' but when Friday comes, nothing (arrives)."

The relief teacher has since cancelled her order.

Both Mr Ho and Madam Teo said they will lodge a report with the Small Claims Tribunal next week.

Separately, calls from Channel NewsAsia to Ms Siah went unanswered.

According to the Consumers Association of Singapore (CASE), there were 228 reports of "failure-to-honour" transactions between January and November this year.

Of these, CASE handled and assisted 48 of the reports. Of those that CASE handled, about half were resolved.

Experts say it is more difficult for buyers to recover their money as there is no physical shopfront.

"The practices of the online vendors or online businesses are covered by the Consumers Protection Fair Trading Act and consumers can exercise their right under the Act to file a claim at the Small Claims Tribunal," said Seah Seng Choon, executive director of CASE.

"Secondly, if the consumer suspects foul play or cheating in any way, they should file a complaint with the police. They should ensure that the business is set up in Singapore. For businesses that are set up overseas, consumer would have great difficulty seeking redress if there's any dispute later on."

With more people going online to make their purchases, Mr Seah said it is important to read the terms and conditions of the transaction so as to avoid pitfalls of online shopping.

He added that shoppers who purchase items online has the right under the lemon law to request the businesses to repair, refund or even reduce prices if there are defects on the goods.

Another way to avoid problems in transactions is to go for cash-on-delivery deals.

- CNA/xq
 
can always get money back mah from ebay - they have buyer's protection

yes and 90% of disputes will be won by the buyer.

but what if the seller's paypal account has no money? don't think ebay or paypal will fork out the money to pay back the buyer.



insist on Cash on Delivery if it is a local deal. if the seller refuses to do meetup, better don't purchase it. never send your money to the seller first.
 
Why does someone need to buy 10 mobile phone sets? :rolleyes:

Resell....

I bought a table at gmarket and it was shipped out 2 days later. It had been 3 weeks since and I have not seen my table :(
 
for ebay paypal accounts, must launch complaint within 45 days.
 
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yes and 90% of disputes will be won by the buyer.

but what if the seller's paypal account has no money? don't think ebay or paypal will fork out the money to pay back the buyer.



insist on Cash on Delivery if it is a local deal. if the seller refuses to do meetup, better don't purchase it. never send your money to the seller first.



if i'm not wrong, ebay will hold the money and not release to seller until grace period is over
 
Why spend 6k on ebay? He must be an idiot. Amazon way better.
 
"The practices of the online vendors or online businesses are covered by the Consumers Protection Fair Trading Act and consumers can exercise their right under the Act to file a claim at the Small Claims Tribunal," said Seah Seng Choon, executive director of CASE.

"Secondly, if the consumer suspects foul play or cheating in any way, they should file a complaint with the police. They should ensure that the business is set up in Singapore. For businesses that are set up overseas, consumer would have great difficulty seeking redress if there's any dispute later on."


These 2 sentences very important for claims yeah.
 
These are the same idiots that will Sim Lim to buy mobile phones.

At least in Sim Lim, you still get the phone, now simi lanjiao also dun have

They really think they can make a profit re-selling. Where to get cheap phones when prices are controlled by the few phone makers and telcos? KNN even if these online vendors have cheap phones, they would have easily sell them to the phone shops and won't bother to go online. These idiots deserve it.
 
amazon their handling and shipping expensive mah................ebay prices of products also cheaper

Ebay sg lots of crap. Ebay US have shipping too. At least Amazon can be trusted, Ebay you buy at your own risk from desktop junkies.
 
Ebay sg lots of crap. Ebay US have shipping too. At least Amazon can be trusted, Ebay you buy at your own risk from desktop junkies.

ebay sg jialat lah.................the USA site has buyer's protection............but amazon's shipping and handling really expensive so if buy cheap item not worth lah
 
ebay sg jialat lah.................the USA site has buyer's protection............but amazon's shipping and handling really expensive so if buy cheap item not worth lah


so long as you buy using paypal. there is buyer's protection. and buyers usually win the disputes.
 
so long as you buy using paypal. there is buyer's protection. and buyers usually win the disputes.
Will PayPal withhold the payment so that it can repay the buyer if required? Or PayPal has a kind of buyer insurance that is used to compensate buyers?
 
Will PayPal withhold the payment so that it can repay the buyer if required? Or PayPal has a kind of buyer insurance that is used to compensate buyers?

that is the earlier question i was asking GIMD. what if the seller's account doesn't have sufficient money to pay back the buyer when the dispute is reported? i think buyer's insurance will kick in. not sure.

when the dispute is reported, Paypal will hold the sum of dispute money in seller's account until the case is settled.

Ebay Paypal side with buyers most of the times in disputes cases. i read cases of sellers providing somewhat valid evidences of registered mail docs but still the disputes went the way of the buyers who claimed not to receive anything. from a few dollars to hundred of dollars - buyers usually win the disputes. the Ebay sellers are enraged. but this system never changes till now.
 
Ebay Paypal side with buyers most of the times in disputes cases. i read cases of sellers providing somewhat valid evidences of registered mail docs but still the disputes went the way of the buyers who claimed not to receive anything. from a few dollars to hundred of dollars - buyers usually win the disputes. the Ebay sellers are enraged. but this system never changes till now.



I've read about people ordering stuff from China & receiving empty boxes:eek:
These people have complained to paypal but paypal has sided with the sellers because the seller can show proof of sending the (empty) boxes :(

It really comes down to the integrity of the seller.
That's why I prefer dealing with companies like Amazon rather than smaller unknown sellers. They might charge more but less likely to experience fraud.
 
I've read about people ordering stuff from China & receiving empty boxes:eek:
These people have complained to paypal but paypal has sided with the sellers because the seller can show proof of sending the (empty) boxes :(

It really comes down to the integrity of the seller.
That's why I prefer dealing with companies like Amazon rather than smaller unknown sellers. They might charge more but less likely to experience fraud.
Or deal with sellers with good reputation and high number of sales over many years. But usually I will not purchase anything more than $500 over eBay.
 
try not to buy from sellers from China and other fucked up countries.

also always see the sellers' ratings, try to buy from sellers with a lot of points
 
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