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One "fatso 5%" has spoken - Desmond Lim to contest Punggol East!

Thick Face Black Heart

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No commentary needed. Just read for yourself and HAVE A GOOD LOL!!!!!

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The date of a by-election for Punggol East has not been decided. The PM may even decide not to call for one. Yet, supporters of other opposition parties, fearing my participation in a possible by-election have begun to pour cold water on me. Some said I am not capable enough. Others suggest that I should spend more time at home, with my family. Then there are those who insinuated that I over-estimated my own ability, called me a clown and a spoiler. (Who is actually the spoiler, the truth will out one day and right the injustice that I was subjected to.)


During the campaign period of the last election, I received threats and my campaign material were vandalised. And that was only just the beginning. In the future, it is likely that I may face even more terrible assaults. Nevertheless, I will patiently tolerate these ignorant and puerile behaviour.
Those who know me know that over the past 14 years. I have devoted all the time, energy and money to working for the Potong Pasir Town Council and the People’s Party. After my office hours, on public holidays and weekends, I would be working for them. I was even on call to help solve problems that happened during the wee hours of the night. All these I did without any incentives and rewards.


With my professional knowledge in estate and project management, I rendered my services to former member of parliament Mr Chiam See Tong and helped him manage the affairs of the town council and the party without expectation of any return. Those who know me also know that I played my supporting role quietly and never attempted to push Mr Chiam aside.


If I was as useless as what the supporters of other political parties claimed, Mr Chiam, while he was still hale and hearty, would not have allowed me to handle the day to day affairs of the town council and the party, and look after the welfare of the constituency. Mr Chiam even personally wrote a testimonial letter recognizing my abilities and contributions to the town council and constituency of Potong Pasir. That same pletter was printed in the campaign flyer and circulated to the voters of Pasir Ris – Punggol GRC during the 2006 general election to show that I had Mr Chiam’s full support. (My later departure from the SPP was due to political intrigues from certain quarters but I will not detail that here.)


Beside that, if I am without abilities and capabilities, it would not have been possible for me to remain employed with the same company for over 15 years, let alone being held in high regard by the company. (What with my involvement with opposition politics, if I had not performed up to and beyond the company’s expectation, I would have been told to pack up and leave long ago.)


I believe that any sensible person, when he looks at what I encountered within the party and what I accomplished in my professional career, he would agree that I had supported and involved myself with the wrong party leader. In so doing, I had wasted my youth, energy and wealth and ruined my political future.


These supporters of other political parties reckoned that what they were told were true. They did not bother to spend time to investigate and come to their own conclusion. They therefore believed that their party is the only that can provide a counter-balance to the ruling party and win benefit for the people. They therefore argue that others have to yield to their party in an election. Such a mindset is really no different from that of a one-party dictatorship.


Honestly, I too would like to pass my days in peace and leisure. I have a stable career, a roof over my head and a car. I need not worry about my next meal, my clothing, money and other necessities of life. I have already what others are still busily pursuing and will be pursuing for most of their lives. I have no need nor wish for great wealth, a bungalow, a luxury car and gourmet meals daily.


My wish and what I would strive for would be to return political power back to the people, to have a level playing field in politics, so that there is real governance by the people of themselves and for themselves. I also wish to be a reminder to politicians that the interests of the people should come first, that policies at the fundamental level should benefit the people and that their motivation should always be a concern for the people. It should not be the case where everything is done to serve the interest of a party. It should not be the case where livelihood issues of the people are perversely transformed into opportunities to generate money and causing the people to spend their entire life busily working just to ensure that they have adequate meals and housing, and worrying about their children’s education and future.


I would like other opposition supporters to know that if I had fear of the strong and intimidating tactics, I would not have bothered to participate in elections. To those who believe in democracy and who wish to defend democracy, please let the people decide who to represent them and strive for their welfare in parliament. Do not resort to undemocratic means to pressure any potential candidate from contesting and do not resort to underhand means to cause the potential candidate supporters to withdraw their support.


The day the above arrive is the day I quit politics.


Singapore our home.
.

Desmond Lim
Singapore Democratic Alliance

[Source]: http://www.facebook.com/limbakchuandesmond
 

cleareyes

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Loyal
aigh..................

To even write such a letter, is a display nof lack of statesmanship and of total immaturity.

All I saw in the letter were nothing but complains and ranting. Such a sore person, how could he handle anything major when he cant even stomach petty complains and feedbacks?
 

scroobal

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Loyal
I have say that Chiam See Tong is an exceptional poor judge of character.

First - Chee
Second - the NTU engineering grad that turned out to be mentally instable
Third - Desmond
Fourth - His wife.
Fifth - Ling How Doong
plus a whole lot of ex WP troublemakers.
 

Bigfuck

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Asset
I have say that Chiam See Tong is an exceptional poor judge of character.

First - Chee
Second - the NTU engineering grad that turned out to be mentally instable
Third - Desmond
Fourth - His wife.
Fifth - Ling How Doong
plus a whole lot of ex WP troublemakers.
He sees the better side of people which they themselves fail to see. The greater failure is in those who claim to want to serve the public but are actually capable of only serving themselves.
For that Chiam is very noble. Alas few good men have the balls to come out and serve.
 

scroobal

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Loyal
I agree and I have alot of admiration of him. JBJ and he showed the way. A man of impeccable character.

He sees the better side of people which they themselves fail to see. The greater failure is in those who claim to want to serve the public but are actually capable of only serving themselves.
For that Chiam is very noble. Alas few good men have the balls to come out and serve.
 

PTADER

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Loyal
I hope so too. Had the best team won in my ward, I would now be living in opposition territory!

Was passing by to see how little Singapore is doing and whether any funeral for my hero is due soon and saw your posting.

This is what democracy is about. People and parties contest on their platform of competing ideologies, policies and ideas. The electorate judges and votes accordingly.

The only thing opposition parties have in common is their opposition to the PAP. Other than that, their ideologies, policies and political ethos differ from each other and as a simple matter of common sense, must differ from each other. If they were the same, they will be better off being in the same party. Or, to not be in politics in the first place since they are unable to offer any compelling political visions or ideas and are unable to compete in the marketplace of competing political visions, ideas and ideologies.

I have been struck by the continuing sheer arrogance of the WP, its leadership and its supporters. It is not unlike that of the PAP. It is not unlike that of the SDP in the nineties when Chiam See Tong declared in December 1992 that the SDP was the "second force" in a "two-party political system".

Opposition leaders dismiss Chiam's 'arrogant' claim
147th Prostitute Press
21 December 1992

Marine Parade GRC by-election : The day after ---------------------------------------------

OPPOSITION leaders have dismissed as mistaken and arrogant Mr Chiam See Tong's claim that voters in Saturday's by-election endorsed his Singapore Democratic Party as the second force in a two-party political system.

"Chiam can draw whatever conclusion he likes. It doesn't follow that he is right," said Workers' Party chief J.B. Jeyaretnam yesterday.

"I don't think that the electorate is showing that it only wants two parties."​

The WP, its leadership and its supporters have been in the past and judging by what I read, are still, in all their vacuousness and hubris, echoing the same little, cocky stance which SDP did in 1992.

Desmond Lim has been working that ground since 2006 before Low Thia Khiang made the claim in April 2011 that it was "open" as it was a "new" constituency and sent LLL into that "new" constituency. Desmond Lim, and any parties or any politician, have every right to contest there or anywhere else for that matter if they want to. Whether they want to and will succeed or lose, or lose their deposits, is for them to decide. It is not for the WP or the WP crowd to decide or to berate or to ridicule them into withdrawing. The irony and sheer hypocrisy of the WP and the WP crowd behaving exactly like the PAP bully boys, is not lost on observers.

As a matter of fact, if a party concedes and does not contest because they fear the WP just like they use to fear the PAP, they should stop wasting everyone's time, particularly their supporters time. They should simply pack up and leave politics. What is the point of being in politics if you are fearful or unwilling to contest or are incapable of contesting in elections? In effect, this simply means you and your party acknowledge that you are not a better party or a party that can offer a better candidate that is offered by the PAP or the other opposition parties. It means you and your party have neither the vision nor the ideas that you are confident are better or which you are incapable of selling to the electorate.

You are competing not to oppose the PAP. You are competing not to oppose other opposition parties. You are competing and should be competing to offer the electorate better ideologies, ideas and policies. All these excuses and talk off not "splitting" the opposition votes coming from the likes of NSP and even the SDP is sheer, utter rubbish and nonsense. If you can't, are incapable off or are unable to compete, don't offer pathetic excuses. It fools no one. Shape up for the task. If you are unable to, please ship out.
 

mei mei

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Loyal
Yes, Desmond, so you did some good work at Potong Pasir and CST.

But you are practically an unknown, a person without charisma, person who can't speak or express himself. For all this, there is no reason on why one should vote for you and that is why you lost your deposit.
 

SgParent

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Loyal
This is what democracy is about. People and parties contest on their platform of competing ideologies, policies and ideas. The electorate judges and votes accordingly.

The only thing opposition parties have in common is their opposition to the PAP. Other than that, their ideologies, policies and political ethos differ from each other and as a simple matter of common sense, must differ from each other. If they were the same, they will be better off being in the same party. Or, to not be in politics in the first place since they are unable to offer any compelling political visions or ideas and are unable to compete in the marketplace of competing political visions, ideas and ideologies.

Obviously you are confused between fighting a dictatorship vs a true democracy


Desmond Lim has been working that ground since 2006 before Low Thia Khiang made the claim in April 2011 that it was "open" as it was a "new" constituency and sent LLL into that "new" constituency. Desmond Lim, and any parties or any politician, have every right to contest there or anywhere else for that matter if they want to.

Judging by the GE2011 results, do you think WP has a point, that Punggol East is pretty much a new, virgin land?

Looking from another point of view, how would you grade Fatty Desmond effort/performance after WORKING for so many years?

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Btw first you mentioned about Fatty Desmond "worked" the ground earlier, implying first-come-first-contest, then you said Fatty Desmond has every right to contest anywhere he want to. So which is which?
 
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cunnilaubu

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Generous Asset
Did he says he is contesting? I only see him making a lot of noises and ending it by hinting he wants to quit politics. :biggrin:
 

Troll

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Loyal
I have say that Chiam See Tong is an exceptional poor judge of character.

First - Chee
Second - the NTU engineering grad that turned out to be mentally instable
Third - Desmond
Fourth - His wife.
Fifth - Ling How Doong
plus a whole lot of ex WP troublemakers.

Totally agree. He is a good and sincere MP. But being good and sincere is useless if one is not a good leader and good judge of character. People in Potong Pasir is a special bunch of people, long suffering ones in fact.

CST had his time, and I'm sure people appreciated all the efforts he put in. It's high time he retire, as he has done his fair share towards advancing the cause of democracy. Time for others to pick up the baton and run with it.
 

Troll

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Loyal
There's a Chinese saying: 识时务者为俊杰. Which means a wise man should be able to understand the times and put his allegiance and dedication towards the right cause.

Desmond Lim is sincere and hardworking, and I'm not going to cast doubt on the amount of unseen sacrifices he has put in for Punggol East. But just being sincere and hardworking isn't going to get votes. It's like saying the only selling point for a restaurant is that the food don't make you sick, that in itself won't get you business.

DL have wasted his efforts on the wrong party, and doing all the things that don't count towards winning votes. Fact that he is lacking in charisma is also not doing him any favours. He should just give up.
 

ray_of_hope

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Loyal
Someone like DL is only good at background work, as a foot soldier, helping others to get elected.

He is a disaster when trying to get to the frontline as an election candidate.

There are many DLs around in Spore; another is TKL. They are so flakey that they crumble on the first day of an election campaign.
 

lockeliberal

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Dear Ptdader

Politics versus political pragmatism. Loyalty versus ability. Ego versus self reliasation that one is CMI. In any fight against the PAP , there is no consolation, one either wins heroically or gives the PAP a bad day at the polls.

How many politicians who have stuck ard past their sell by date have done damage to Singapore ? Yes the PAP has its fair share of past their sell by date "heroes" but so has the opposition. And in so far as the opposition is the one having to win seats , it more or less cannot afford to keep on fielding the same old faces. Desmond is retro a blast from the past, a war story to be told to grand children, an old race horse to be let out to pasture or to be turned into glue.

Can u imagine SDP sticking with Ling How Doong and not giving fresh prominence to People like Vincent, Michelle and gang ? The WP in my view should have gotten rid of some people after Ge 2006 but as Poh Lee Guan proved idiots sometimes commit sucide.

Desmond lost badly in a three cornered fight and he will lose again. Yes perhaps the WP was picking on him, but its the nature of politics, you either get better, evolve or become extinct. In so much as the WP improved to compete better with the PAP, the opposition to has o improve its game better to compete with the WP. The winner Singaporeans as whole desiring a stronger opposition.

In a three cornered or four cornered fight, the PAP wins, The WP will lose but the margins will determine the follow bits of insanity which all egos within the opposition have to remember.

a. splitting the opposition vote gurantee's a PAP win.

b. Losing also means less political capital for the worst loser. IE its between Kenneth and Desmond if they both compete as to who has more face to lose.





Locke












Was passing by to see how little Singapore is doing and whether any funeral for my hero is due soon and saw your posting.

This is what democracy is about. People and parties contest on their platform of competing ideologies, policies and ideas. The electorate judges and votes accordingly.

The only thing opposition parties have in common is their opposition to the PAP. Other than that, their ideologies, policies and political ethos differ from each other and as a simple matter of common sense, must differ from each other. If they were the same, they will be better off being in the same party. Or, to not be in politics in the first place since they are unable to offer any compelling political visions or ideas and are unable to compete in the marketplace of competing political visions, ideas and ideologies.

I have been struck by the continuing sheer arrogance of the WP, its leadership and its supporters. It is not unlike that of the PAP. It is not unlike that of the SDP in the nineties when Chiam See Tong declared in December 1992 that the SDP was the "second force" in a "two-party political system".

Opposition leaders dismiss Chiam's 'arrogant' claim
147th Prostitute Press
21 December 1992

Marine Parade GRC by-election : The day after ---------------------------------------------

OPPOSITION leaders have dismissed as mistaken and arrogant Mr Chiam See Tong's claim that voters in Saturday's by-election endorsed his Singapore Democratic Party as the second force in a two-party political system.

"Chiam can draw whatever conclusion he likes. It doesn't follow that he is right," said Workers' Party chief J.B. Jeyaretnam yesterday.

"I don't think that the electorate is showing that it only wants two parties."​

The WP, its leadership and its supporters have been in the past and judging by what I read, are still, in all their vacuousness and hubris, echoing the same little, cocky stance which SDP did in 1992.

Desmond Lim has been working that ground since 2006 before Low Thia Khiang made the claim in April 2011 that it was "open" as it was a "new" constituency and sent LLL into that "new" constituency. Desmond Lim, and any parties or any politician, have every right to contest there or anywhere else for that matter if they want to. Whether they want to and will succeed or lose, or lose their deposits, is for them to decide. It is not for the WP or the WP crowd to decide or to berate or to ridicule them into withdrawing. The irony and sheer hypocrisy of the WP and the WP crowd behaving exactly like the PAP bully boys, is not lost on observers.

As a matter of fact, if a party concedes and does not contest because they fear the WP just like they use to fear the PAP, they should stop wasting everyone's time, particularly their supporters time. They should simply pack up and leave politics. What is the point of being in politics if you are fearful or unwilling to contest or are incapable of contesting in elections? In effect, this simply means you and your party acknowledge that you are not a better party or a party that can offer a better candidate that is offered by the PAP or the other opposition parties. It means you and your party have neither the vision nor the ideas that you are confident are better or which you are incapable of selling to the electorate.

You are competing not to oppose the PAP. You are competing not to oppose other opposition parties. You are competing and should be competing to offer the electorate better ideologies, ideas and policies. All these excuses and talk off not "splitting" the opposition votes coming from the likes of NSP and even the SDP is sheer, utter rubbish and nonsense. If you can't, are incapable off or are unable to compete, don't offer pathetic excuses. It fools no one. Shape up for the task. If you are unable to, please ship out.
 
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