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Assuming there is enough money, a nice safe play would be to bail out the 4 SMRT workers and then pay for a lawyer to fight their case. Go for max exposure in Court of the unfair working conditions that led to the strike. The global media are following the case so that will be plenty of international exposure. Might even be safer as the global spotlight would make it more difficult to get consensus within the PAP for heavy handed action.
 
VW should just focus on hectoring and badgering them with questions online but avoid getting into bed directly with them. Follow Old Man style - when the going gets tough, take a vacation to the camerons or Fraser's Hill cluny lodge. Play smart, act stupid.



The PAP benefits from the fallout. They don't initiate these things. The govt has to act. Might even be a court prosecution for abetting or instigating. The point is to focus on the bigger agenda of getting into parliament.
 
Naive thinking. As if you dont know how past such cases have panned out - never on the side of those whom we think should win. It will be costly adventurism. Not sure there is any direct benefit for VW and SDP in the GE2016 from such a ploy. might even be ill-advised as the electorate is divided on the reactions to the SMRT drivers affair.

Assuming there is enough money, a nice safe play would be to bail out the 4 SMRT workers and then pay for a lawyer to fight their case. Go for max exposure in Court of the unfair working conditions that led to the strike. The global media are following the case so that will be plenty of international exposure. Might even be safer as the global spotlight would make it more difficult to get consensus within the PAP for heavy handed action.
 
If you fight such a case, you don't fight to win. You fight for other agenda reasons. In any case, too late for F8 to get involved. Someone else has already ponied up the money and there is going to be a trail. Stay tuned !

Naive thinking. As if you dont know how past such cases have panned out - never on the side of those whom we think should win. It will be costly adventurism. Not sure there is any direct benefit for VW and SDP in the GE2016 from such a ploy. might even be ill-advised as the electorate is divided on the reactions to the SMRT drivers affair.
 
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I've been following this thread with interest.

Would like to ask, how relevant is the F8 group anyway? The only thing I know about them is their greivances which have been well publicized. Are they active, engaging people in political sphere? Or even involved in the PRC bus driver dispute?

Seems to me there is a movement out there which is getting back into workers rights very aggressively, like what LKY did in the '60s.
 
Look at Chee's forays in the past. LKY won and wins during the British era becos he could exploit and the Brits allowed him to do that, out of the white man's sense of fair play and working the rules of democracy in the courts etc. During his own era, he had the whole might and machinery of govt at his disposal and given his Machiavellian persona, able to intimidate and cow others into helping/doing the dirty work for him. Unless you can be like him, or had his good fortune to operate in a benign environ, any dabbling in courts will be messy and counterproductive. I dont think Singapore electorate are politically mature enough to follow or listen to abstract arguments.

If you fight such a case, you don't fight to win. You fight for other agenda reasons.
 
Look at Chee's forays in the past. LKY won and wins during the British era becos he could exploit and the Brits allowed him to do that, out of the white man's sense of fair play and working the rules of democracy in the courts etc. During his own era, he had the whole might and machinery of govt at his disposal and given his Machiavellian persona, able to intimidate and cow others into helping/doing the dirty work for him. Unless you can be like him, or had his good fortune to operate in a benign environ, any dabbling in courts will be messy and counterproductive. I dont think Singapore electorate are politically mature enough to follow or listen to abstract arguments.

Agreed, just because he has grown older does not mean he has grown any softer. Senile yes soft hell no.
 
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http://theonlinecitizen.com/2012/12/the-smrt-strike-why-should-we-care/

The recent strike involving 171 Chinese SMRT bus drivers may have been an exceptional event, but the issues simmering beneath it are not. Pay inequalities, poor living conditions, discriminatory treatment and the avenues available for workers to seek redress – these are issues that affect many low-paid workers in Singapore, both foreign and local.

The discourse so far has been divisive, and centered on the legality of strike action in Singapore. This significant rupture in industrial relations, however, requires greater reflection, and its implications for our collective future as workers, employers and voters considered.



We invite you to share your thoughts at our forum, and participate in a discussion with our speakers:

Samydorai Sinapan (Civil/ Human Rights Activist)
Teo Soh Lung (Ex lawyer)
Alex Au (Yawning bread)
Loh Kah Seng (Historian)

Location: Bras Basah Complex, #04-41
Limited seating
Registration required: please email [email protected]
Time: Saturday 8 December 2012 from 2 pm to 5 pm
Please arrive by 130pm

Guys

You are playing with fire. You are pushing the envelope and you are not in a position to come out of this any better.
 
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Scroobal was right!

VW wrote another loooong article to promote the SMRT drivers cause. But its obvious that his fight is the fight of tsl, vc and twp. Where got care for AT?


It should come as no surprise to an informed Singaporean that the government, its agencies such as Reach Singapore and proxy agencies such as Media Corp are engaged in a massive public relations exercise to guide public response to the SMRT bus drivers strike.

When twenty-two young persons were arrested under Operation Spectrum in May 1987, the then Singapore Broadcasting Corporation (SBC) used every means at its disposal to propagate the government’s case. We now know it to be a tissue of lies designed to eliminate criticisms of government policy particularly in relation to labour and poverty.

The SBC doctored the sequence of Vincent Cheng’s television interview to make him sound like he was giving the answers they wished him to give. And the print media, day after day, reported verbatim the government statements which we now know to have been entirely and totally fabricated.

Fast forward a quarter century later and identical areas of policy are motivating Singaporean social workers, lawyers and political activists to intervene in what is rapidly becoming a highly embarrassing moment for the government.

Last night about thirty prominent civil society veterans and newbies gathered to strategise a response to the incident. Hailing from all sections of civil society, they included established welfare organisations, research centres, well-known bloggers, writers, lawyers and social entrepreneurs.

On the table were a range of initiatives which are being timetabled for the coming period. It is understood they are hosting a forum on Saturday 8 December to explore trade unionism in our country. One attendee is quoted as saying that the trade union discourse became frozen in the "post-Hock Lee” bus strikes era [1955] and that the vast majority of Singaporeans, young and old, have an extremely limited meaningful understanding of trade unionism and its functions in a civilised society.

This may appear to have been borne out by the results of a survey carried out by Reach Singapore – no doubt paid for by taxpayers’ money – over the first three days of the strike. What is interesting to note is that, while the relevant authorities were grappling with the strike Reach had the presence of mind to mobilise its resources on the first day itself to rush out among the general public and attempt an exercise that would give greater support to the government’s action against the striking workers.

I am a sociologist by training. Among the settled principles of survey methodology, researchers seek, as far as possible, to minimise those factors which might skew the results of the survey. In A level Economics we learn the term ceteris paribus meaning ‘all things being held constant’. Research in general tends to try, as far as possible to keep other factors constant so that the results of the survey are trustworthy and can be replicated with a different sample of interviewees.

For example, surveys done in the heat of the action are to be avoided. Surveys conducted when people have had no access to alternative information with which to shape their conclusions are equally to be shunned. Surveys done in a constrained discursive climate are also shaky.

All of these factors were present when Reach carried out its survey. But perhaps most importantly, it committed the worst sin in the surveying world, that of the ‘leading question’. It is a well-established fact that you can elicit a desired answer by asking the question in a certain way. The setting of the interview, the inflection of the voice, the framing of the question can all impact upon the answer.

Take a look at the questions that were asked.

Question 1: Are you aware that a group of SMRT drivers from China staged an illegal strike on the 26th and 27th of November?

Immediately, the interviewee is put on his guard by way of the framing of the strike as ‘illegal’. If something is illegal, then I had better show the proper disdain for it lest I be seen as one who approves of illegal behaviour.

Also, bear in mind that at this point, the only information available to interviewees on which to base their opinion is the state press. Is it likely that they could have had the time to digest the information, explore different perspectives, talk to their friends and then gradually formulate an opinion?

Question 2: The Government has done the right thing by taking time to ascertain the facts before labelling the action as an illegal strike on the second day.

Question 2 then reiterates that the strike is illegal. The question, rather than asking ‘if’ the government had done the right thing, informs the interviewee that it has done so and to which you are simply invited to acquiesce. It also suggests that the government has acted in a measured and responsible way by examining all the facts before coming to a decision. Minister Tan Chuan Jin said exactly this at his press conference on Saturday.

Question 3: The Government has reacted swiftly to ensure that the situation is under control and there is minimum disruption to the public transport system.

Question 3 vaguely reminds the interview that the strike is a situation that could get out of control, without specifying what sort of chaos might arise. The word is dropped subtly into the question but the net result is to elicit the intuition of chaos and danger. The interviewee, opening his mental filing cabinet, hits upon the oft-repeated sentiment that strikes imply blood and riot and arrives at the expected attitude. And again, notice how it places the government in a positive light as having acted rapidly to contain the potential contagion. In fact, as we now know, the strikes resulted in nothing of the kind. The striking bus drivers stood quietly and peacefully outside their dormitory and refused their labour. That is all.

Question 4: The bus drivers from China should have gone through the proper channels to air their grievances instead of staging a strike.

Question 4 implies, without a shred of evidence, that the workers did not go through the proper channels. It is difficult to ascertain if Reach was in the know about the six months of proper channels the workers had tried without success (which I documented in a Facebook post on Sunday). Reach’s Supervisory Board is stacked with government MPs (including Dr Intan Azura Mochtar who is a member of the PM’s GRC), trade union officials, and grassroots leaders. Therefore, one could reasonably expect that they might have some knowledge of this; the survey question suggests otherwise.

Question 5: If the bus drivers from China are found to have breached Singapore’s law, they should be punished to the full extent of the law, as Singapore has zero tolerance for illegal strikes.

Question 5 commits an error of logic. It states that the bus drivers should be punished BECAUSE Singapore has zero tolerance. Punishment for an offence arises because the thing being punished for is against the law not because there is extreme intolerance for it. Otherwise, if we had, say 50% tolerance, then they should not be punished to the full extent?

For example, in the 1997 General Election, the then Prime Minister, his two deputies and former MP, Dr Vasoo, broke election law because they were found inside a polling station of a constituency they were not contesting – a clear breach of the Parliamentary Elections Act. The Attorney General declined to prosecute. Did we only have about 5% tolerance to that particular law?

Furthermore, the question leads the interviewee to the conclusion that this amorphous entity called ‘Singapore’ is opposed to this action and THEREFORE the interviewee should also have zero tolerance for it since he is part of Singapore. It is not made clear if ‘Singapore’ means the government, the legal system, the cultural settlement, the rules of trade union activity, the PAP, or the general public. The interviewee is led to the particular conclusion.

Question 6: The bus drivers from China were wrong to have held a strike, but SMRT also bears some responsibility for the situation as it did not manage the grievances of the Chinese well.

Again, a leading question which, if objectivity were the true intention, should have been rephrased as, "If the bus drivers were wrong…”. Furthermore, Question 6 is in direct contradiction to Question 4 for if the workers had not gone through any channels, how did Reach know, on the very day when the strike began, that the bus drivers had any grievances at all?

Over the course of these last five decades, the government has sought to co-opt all national entities such that they serve the government’s behest. In each decade it carried out at least one major swoop on its perceived detractors to impart a salutary lesson. In 1987 we saw the last major, wholesale attempt to do so, even to the extent of lying to the citizenry. Last week it used Reach, again, I remind you, at taxpayers’ expense, to lead public opinion in a cynical and devious attempt to obtain, through covert means, antagonism towards the strikers.

It is a dishonest attempt. The workers, as I wrote in my Facebook note last Sunday, had a string of concerns which they tried to remedy over a period of six months by talking to their bosses, their union, the NTUC, and the government (including a letter to the PM himself). Frustrated at every step of the way, they finally took what must have been a terrifying decision: to deliberately place themselves at the risk of losing their livelihood.

For Reach to conduct such a flawed and deceitful survey is distasteful to me, both as a citizen and as an academic who hold close to the scientific principle of falsifiability, which Reach has violated.

In 1987, the state media prevented any alternative analyses of Operation Spectrum and, particularly, those which early and easily dismantled the government case – and I assure you there was a huge amount – from reaching the ears of Singaporeans. In 2012, we should not let this happen to us. Allow me to plead with you to form your own judgment of the bus drivers strike based on all the available information and not only on what the government determines is safe to publish. You may arrive at a very different conclusion than the one the government is so desirous of propagating.

Do avail yourself of attending the forum on 8 Dec (Saturday), 2-5pm at #04-01 Bras Basah Complex of 321 Bain Street. Bring your friends and family. You would have started the process which, in time, will help you to grow up from under Big Brother’s dark shade.


Public Forum: The SMRT strike: Why should we care?
Date: 8 Dec 2012, Saturday
Time: 2-5pm
Venue: #04-01 Bras Basah Complex, 321 Bain Street
[More details at event's facebook]


Dr Vincent Wijeysingha is the Treasurer of the SDP and Head of the party's Communications Unit
 
If vw is as cleared minded as claimed, then he would know the bigger picture instead of getting entangled with side issues that can't win votes amongst sinkies.

The key to fairer society is to terminate pap 2/3 majority, and the only way is to win the middle ground. If sdp and vw can't even realize this simple fact after so many years, then they deserve to lose again.
 
As expected, all the questions are leading ones and suggestive. Trust a govt wayang mouthpiece conducting a fair, neutral survey! On top of that, they polled 15 yr olds!

Pathetic! Even wayang show, they also cant get it right.
 
Groups like F8 and all civil, social, human rights activists and NGOs are essential for a fair and just society . These guys are genuine and are our society's conscience. When those tasked by the state to look after society fail, these are the backstops for those who fall thru the cracks.

Sometimes the passion become overwhelming and the principles blurs the big picture. How to skin the cat is no longer an issue - they just want to skin the cat.

Then you have hidden hands. People like Ryan Goh who drafted the letter but he himself did not sign, played power broker for the union elections, never took up Singapore citizenship, had a back-up plan and actually made the moves behind the scenes while dumb Singaporeans who were his colleagues had no idea.

I have said this before - the ones who operated clandestinely, carried secret coded messages etc never made a peep, never commented since their release from Ops Spectrum. One even went on to become a capitalist and a millionaire. The dumb ones who were used are the one seeking closure.

Were they Marxists? - certainly not. Social Activitsts yes. Were they used by others with ulterior motives, yes. Even the authorities were stunned when the re-arrests revealed unexpectedly an attempt by a foreign country to underwrite certain professionals to take part in Elections with a guarantee of safe harbour.


I've been following this thread with interest.

Would like to ask, how relevant is the F8 group anyway? The only thing I know about them is their greivances which have been well publicized. Are they active, engaging people in political sphere? Or even involved in the PRC bus driver dispute?

Seems to me there is a movement out there which is getting back into workers rights very aggressively, like what LKY did in the '60s.
 
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In their eyes he had taken a leadership position and might feel obliged to lead. He was the former executive director TWC2 and the way he writes shows he is highly principled.

Scroobal was right!

VW wrote another loooong article to promote the SMRT drivers cause. But its obvious that his fight is the fight of tsl, vc and twp. Where got care for AT?
 
The second article is very emotional.

If vw is as cleared minded as claimed, then he would know the bigger picture instead of getting entangled with side issues that can't win votes amongst sinkies.

The key to fairer society is to terminate pap 2/3 majority, and the only way is to win the middle ground. If sdp and vw can't even realize this simple fact after so many years, then they deserve to lose again.
 
You can never find a more shameless govt than the PAP Govt. A shocking survey. Disgraceful.

As expected, all the questions are leading ones and suggestive. Trust a govt wayang mouthpiece conducting a fair, neutral survey! On top of that, they polled 15 yr olds!

Pathetic! Even wayang show, they also cant get it right.
 
This is the govt that took on the world's best known media companies and "won" - Economist, Wall Street Journal, BBC etc. They can't be bothered what the world thinks. They don't vote. The signal they want to send is to entrepreneurs, industrialist, MNCS, foreign entities etc is that the PAP Govt can provide guaranteed industrial peace so that investment can keep pouring in. Factories will not have downtime.

And what is the lawyer going to say in court for the drivers - that there is no such law that requires prior notification and the need to follow the grievance process? That it was not a strike but communication breakdown? That PRC and Singapore Mandarin are 2 distinct dialects.



Assuming there is enough money, a nice safe play would be to bail out the 4 SMRT workers and then pay for a lawyer to fight their case. Go for max exposure in Court of the unfair working conditions that led to the strike. The global media are following the case so that will be plenty of international exposure. Might even be safer as the global spotlight would make it more difficult to get consensus within the PAP for heavy handed action.
 
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The outcome to hope for would be an NBG style trail with the judge performing judicial gymnastics to justify laws and actions which are blatantly unfair.

Also if you are 70% and look like you will be in power forever, what the world says about you matters very little. If however you are 60% and sinking, what the world says about you matters a great deal.

Lastly in this day and age, the threats to restrict circulation seem more quaint than feared.

This is the govt that took on the world's best known media companies and "won" - Economist, Wall Street Journal, BBC etc. They can't be bothered what the world thinks. They don't vote. The signal they want to send is to entrepreneurs, industrialist, MNCS, foreign entities etc is that the PAP Govt can provide guaranteed industrial peace so that investment can keep pouring in. Factories will not have downtime.

And what is the lawyer going to say in court for the drivers - that there is no such law that requires prior notification and the need to follow the grievance process? That it was not a strike but communication breakdown? That PRC and Singapore Mandarin are 2 distinct dialects.
 
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If you fight such a case, you don't fight to win. You fight for other agenda reasons. In any case, too late for F8 to get involved. Someone else has already ponied up the money and there is going to be a trail. Stay tuned !
Not clear what benefit will fighting for foreign workers bring in terms of election. The new wave of FW refusing to work or to come down from high structure is already sufficient bad publicity and trouble for pap, why get too involved?

AGC can easily quiet down the case by delaying the court case, followed by no coverage in local media. By then most foreign media also has no interest.
 
The outcome to hope for would be an NBG style trail with the judge performing judicial gymnastics to justify laws and actions which are blatantly unfair.

Also if you are 70% and look like you will be in power forever, what the world says about you matters very little. If however you are 60% and sinking, what the world says about you matters a great deal.
Nbg, Peter and sex with minor whore cases were deliberately played up to serve certain purposes for pap. NBG case got a little wild because of complacency at CPIB and AGC. Nonetheless, all the cases may still be net positive for pap to project image of being corruption free and pure.
 
The second article is very emotional.
Proves that vw and sdp still don't have it. Will always be a fringe party if they continue this route.

To paraphrase Clinton: it's the middle ground, stupid!
 
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