Chee SJ hits $30,000

[tanwahp]

I must say, the PAPzis have done well in indoctrinating the masses. You just don't see such apathy among the other Chinese diasporas. The Hongkies, for instance, talk about human rights all the time.

Depends on how human rights is packaged. HK's human rights is about the right to positive change and raise issues. SDP's human rights is human rights itself and the right of Chee to do anything he wants.

Same goes if HK and Singapore politicians were to campaign on housing issues. Housing culture is different in both countries. If Singapore were to promote cheaper rentals, Singaporeans will stare blur blur.

 

[tanwahp]

You watch, the MSM will give SDP maximum exposure at the GE because they and the establishment know that SDP messaging is wrong. The other opposition parties will suffer because of lesser exposure amd their messaging will not be effective.

The media is blacking out SDP news knowing what a quick fuse Chee has. Chee will start getting frustrated and try more and more eye-opening actions to get his message across. Same old history repeats. He needs to be reigned in and reminded consistently by those around him.

 

[Cruxx]

Depends on how human rights is packaged. HK's human rights is about the right to positive change and raise issues. SDP's human rights is human rights itself

Yeah, abolishing GST for essential services and CPF minimum sum are such ethereal ideals far removed from the real lives of real people that do not bring about positive changes. Singaporeans do not need all these useless human rights, alright.

and the right of Chee to do anything he wants.

The right of Chee to do anything he wants? When did he campaign for autocracy? The blue PAP should really send better astroturfers here than the current lot. I'm more impressed with the white PAP astroturfers on this forum, to be honest.

 

[tanwahp]

Yeah, abolishing GST for essential services and CPF minimum sum are such ethereal ideals far removed from the real lives of real people that do not bring about positive changes. Singaporeans do not need all these useless human rights, alright.

You are right, these are not human rights issues. You mean to say that if I am taxed or have to pay for something, I lose my human rights? Bad examples.

The right of Chee to do anything he wants? When did he campaign for autocracy?

In the whole Singapore, only he has the right to enter other's properties. Only he can do what others need to book and pay for.

 

[scroobal]

Chee has been quiet as a person prior to the GE and until recently. The media is not blacking him out but in fact tried to draw him in as they did during the epsiode at one of the rallys. Now that he is no longer a bankrupt, he will have to be front and centre and watch the MSM do what they do best for their masters.

The media is blacking out SDP news knowing what a quick fuse Chee has. Chee will start getting frustrated and try more and more eye-opening actions to get his message across. Same old history repeats. He needs to be reigned in and reminded consistently by those around him.

 

[Liquigas]

The simple meaning of democracy as Abraham Lincoln put it is 'government of the people, by the people, for the people'. Lincoln was saying that the elected government which governed the people must be taken from the people themselves and operated for the good of the people rather than the benefit of someone else.

Based on the above, SDP has been saying for years that there is no true democracy in Singapore. Do the majority of the voters agree with the SDP? Think the reality here is that local voters care little about human rights or the true meaning of democracy. To them what are more important is being gainfully employed, the streets continue to be safe and there is little change in their lifestyle. Pragmatic voters will continue to vote for the PAP till the day we witness widespread poverty, mass unemployment, rampant corruption, street violence....

 

[Cruxx]

You are right, these are not human rights issues. You mean to say that if I am taxed or have to pay for something, I lose my human rights? Bad examples.

You're right. Taxation has nothing to do with human rights.

http://abcnews.go.com/International/story?id=82750&page=1#.UGqgGlEwxXs

"The Information Center for Human Rights and Democracy, a Hong Kong-based human rights group, said more than 20,000 peasants had staged violent protests against harsh taxes.

One rice farmer in Yuandu, a town of about 100,000 where some rioting took place, told ABCNEWS: “The farmers were so angry that they threw stones at the government office and ransacked it. The glass windows were all broken and the office itself is very much damaged.”

In the whole Singapore, only he has the right to enter other's properties. Only he can do what others need to book and pay for.

I don't recall the SDP campaigning for such arbitrary rights. Do you have any link to the particular excerpt of the SDP manifesto that calls for free public entry to private properties? Take your time. I understand how you blue PAPzis tend to struggle with exactitude of facts.

[video=youtube;H3WjTmd3q6A]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=H3WjTmd3q6A[/video]

 

[Cruxx]

The simple meaning of democracy as Abraham Lincoln put it is 'government of the people, by the people, for the people'. Lincoln was saying that the elected government which governed the people must be taken from the people themselves and operated for the good of the people rather than the benefit of someone else.

Based on the above, SDP has been saying for years that there is no true democracy in Singapore. Do the majority of the voters agree with the SDP? Think the reality here is that local voters care little about human rights or the true meaning of democracy. To them what are more important is being gainfully employed, the streets continue to be safe and there is little change in their lifestyle. Pragmatic voters will continue to vote for the PAP till the day we witness widespread poverty, mass unemployment, rampant corruption, street violence....

Agree. As long as Singaporeans are happy with a purchasing power lower than that of those in KL and unaccountability of public funds, PAP will always remain in power. You have to take your hats off to the PAPzis for brainwashing Sinkies so effectively.

 

[tanwahp]

"The Information Center for Human Rights and Democracy, a Hong Kong-based human rights group, said more than 20,000 peasants had staged violent protests against harsh taxes.

Did the peasants say they are protesting against their human rights being abused, eg. someone was locked up or beaten up? Here your own example said they were protesting against harsh taxes. The human rights group spoke up. They didn't protest.

I don't recall the SDP campaigning for such arbitrary rights. Do you have any link to the particular excerpt of the SDP manifesto that calls for free public entry to private properties? Take your time. I understand how you blue PAPzis tend to struggle with exactitude of facts.

Exactly. If Chee thinks he has the right to sell books at private properties, please put it in the manifesto.

 

[scroobal]

Before SDP was formed and Chee was born, every Singaporean with at least half a brain knows that Singapore is not a true democracy but ruled with a autocratic iron fist. Chia Thye Poh was detained for 32 years in Singapore.

These messages from the SDP are lost on the choir. The fact that JBJ who was elected by the people of Anson was not allowed to helm the grassroots organisations, access PA facilities and the state funds as any other elected MP tells you that democracy here is a farce.

We are wasting time and opportunity talking about the elephant that everyone in the room can see, touch and smell. No one is disputing its presence.

What we need are solutions to shoot the beast or squeeze it out. No point to say that we have the right to complain.

Of course we have the right to complain. I have yet to here anyone suggesting otherwise.

The simple meaning of democracy as Abraham Lincoln put it is 'government of the people, by the people, for the people'. Lincoln was saying that the elected government which governed the people must be taken from the people themselves and operated for the good of the people rather than the benefit of someone else.

Based on the above, SDP has been saying for years that there is no true democracy in Singapore. Do the majority of the voters agree with the SDP? Think the reality here is that local voters care little about human rights or the true meaning of democracy. To them what are more important is being gainfully employed, the streets continue to be safe and there is little change in their lifestyle. Pragmatic voters will continue to vote for the PAP till the day we witness widespread poverty, mass unemployment, rampant corruption, street violence....

 

[Conqueror]

Just Do It ?

We are wasting time and opportunity talking about the elephant that everyone in the room can see, touch and smell. No one is disputing its presence.

What we need are solutions to shoot the beast or squeeze it out. No point to say that we have the right to complain.

Of course we have the right to complain. I have yet to here anyone suggesting otherwise.

[video=youtube;NOoLH5-QVFE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NOoLH5-QVFE[/video]


Voting will be a waste of time. And it will NOT even work on the GE 2016 too. Anyone wanna vote what we think about the outcome on the next GE ? SBF should have one such chart for general perception and confidence.

 

[Cruxx]

Re: Just Do It ?

An unjust law is no law at all. Only dumb sinkies would play by the rules of the tyrants.

 

[Conqueror]

Re: Just Do It ?

An unjust law is no law at all. Only dumb sinkies would play by the rules of the tyrants.

So, you do agree on this too.

 

[SDPhopelessParty]

Re: Just Do It ?

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Pappy Tan The Temasek Review

The only PAP 'B' Team Singaporeans witness past 20 years is SDP and Dr Chee.

Dr Chee broke up a perfectly growing SDP under Chiam See Tong and lost all 3 seats at GE1997 that was won at GE1991 under Chiam See Tong's SDP.

This is because Chee's SDP decide to focus on making as much inaccurate noise in Parliament, being aggressive in Parliament, exposing SDP to lawsuits , conducting civil disobedience and getting arrested rather than running town councils and bonding with residents via grassroots.

The loss caused Singaporeans to lose faith in Opposition for 20 years untl GE2011 when WP made a difficult breakthrough. PAP kept harping Opposition cannot run a SMC let alone a GRC because of SDP's loss at GE1997. SDP almost destroyed Opposition Cause with their antics.

Civil disobedience, bankruptcy, arrests, lawsuits etc gave Opposition a bad image and reminded Singaporeans to fear PAP even more. SDP actually made PAP more feared and more powerful instead and Singaporeans felt more hopeless.

Many good people wanted to join Opposition but seeing Dr Chee's situation decided not to. This lack of good people joining Opposition gave many Walkovers to PAP for 20 years in every elections. SDP only gave Walkovers to Singaporeans at elections because CSJ and gang kept getting barred from elections because of their antics.

What choice, what democracy, what rights, what hope, what change, what impact and what freedom did SDP gave Singaporeans past 20 years ? Nothing at all.

Democracy is not just freedom to have civil disobedience but democracy is also about giving people choice to change governments in elections, not change Opposition parties.

Now PAP once again wants to unleash the Kraken in CSJ to confuse and disrupt alternative parties progress from GE2011 by agreeing to give discount from $500,000 to $30,000 so that CSJ can take part in elections. Destructive, disruptive and history repeats itself.

SPP at least kept one seat in Parliament for 15 years after GE1997 and never got voted out and lose seats before GE2011. SPP was already small and weak when Chiam started it. 15 years down the road under different political landscape, SPP did contest one GRC at least. One less than SDP only who under Chee did not grow much too despite having longer time of brand name.

It took Chiam and SDP 15 years to win 3 seats at GE1991. So how can you say SDP would not have grown under Chiam when SDP did grew under Chiam at GE1991.

Not even WP lost seats before. JBJ was disqualified from Parliament after being charged and Yaw Shin Leong was sacked by WP. None was voted out.

SDP under Dr Chee after GE1997 past 15 years got voted out of Bukit Gombak and Nee Soon Central, never grow but got smaller and did not even win any seats. You call this good record ?

It is not grandmother's story but true facts. No Singaporean Opposition Supporter want to sacrifice another 20 years and see no result from any Alternative Parties.

Technically and officially, somebody here said there is only one Opposition in Parliament which is WP because the rest are either NCMPs or alternative parties with no seats. Even to be Opposition, political parties need to win enough seats to be Opposition.

I still believe in growing only WP to be Government as fast as possible base on Hougang and Aljunied platforms. This is irregardless what other alternative parties try to pull off, antics and plans. Every party have its own style, voters will decide.

No point running down each alternative parties now. You can run down WP all you want ONLY after WP is government and be blamed for WP government policies. No point running down WP when it is not responsible for the mess in Singapore.

No more Alternative Parties Musical Chairs we seen last 47 years.

I hardly see you commenting on negative PAP threads but comment on every negative WP thread and pretending to be SDP supporter and NSP supporter. I can only conclude you are a PAP IB.

All political parties have positives and negatives. Each wants to try their own style so let it be. Voters shall decide. SDP is free to continue to stage protest etc. WP is free to use its own tactical style. PAP is free to continue to run down anybody that gets in its way. NSP is free to continue to state the obvious. RP is free to continue to piggyback on whatever other parties started.

I dont think I am running down anybody here. I am just stating history and SDP's output last 20 years. I did not wish to do it but if people like Robox, TTR and Sam Lim continue to run down WP in all possible and petty ways instead of focusing on PAP which is the main reason for ruining Singaporean's lives, then I wish to join in the fun too.

TTR's record until BE2012 was normal, you seldom see people posting negatives about SDP and WP too and everyone were attacking only PAP. But BE2012 onwards, turn its focus on WP more so the negatives about WP, SDP, RP, NSP etc started appearing too. TTR is the root culprit for everything.

Yes, all political parties have its negatives but we leave it to Singapore Media to dig it out as tradition and Internet is more the opposite direction. All Opposition supporters understood all Alternative Parties have bad points as well but like Singapore Media for PAP, we help each other out by minimising these negatives for Alternative Parties.

Now TTR wants to upset the equilibrium and test all Alternative Parties supporters patience and confuse them. The Anti-WP and pro-SDP stance had upset the Balance and tilt into PAP's favour.

Then more and more people will join in the fun, end result could only be disaster for all alternative parties at GE2016 and glee for PAP as every alternative party supporter rather see each other die and drag each other down than let any alternative party beat them to beating PAP.

I hardly see you commenting on negative PAP threads but comment on every negative WP thread and pretending to be SDP supporter and NSP supporter. I can only conclude you are a PAP IB.

All political parties have positives and negatives. Each wants to try their own style so let it be. Voters shall decide. SDP is free to continue to stage protest etc. WP is free to use its own tactical style. PAP is free to continue to run down anybody that gets in its way. NSP is free to continue to state the obvious. RP is free to continue to piggyback on whatever other parties started.

I dont think I am running down anybody here. I am just stating history and SDP's output last 20 years. I did not wish to do it but if people like Robox, TTR and Sam Lim continue to run down WP in all possible and petty ways instead of focusing on PAP which is the main reason for ruining Singaporean's lives, then I wish to join in the fun too.

TTR's record until BE2012 was normal, you seldom see people posting negatives about SDP and WP too and everyone were attacking only PAP. But BE2012 onwards, turn its focus on WP more so the negatives about WP, SDP, RP, NSP etc started appearing too. TTR is the root culprit for everything.

Yes, all political parties have its negatives but we leave it to Singapore Media to dig it out as tradition and Internet is more the opposite direction. All Opposition supporters understood all Alternative Parties have bad points as well but like Singapore Media for PAP, we help each other out by minimising these negatives for Alternative Parties.

Now TTR wants to upset the equilibrium and test all Alternative Parties supporters patience and confuse them. The Anti-WP and pro-SDP stance had upset the Balance and tilt into PAP's favour.

Then more and more people will join in the fun, end result could only be disaster for all alternative parties at GE2016 and glee for PAP as every alternative party supporter rather see each other die and drag each other down than let any alternative party beat them to beating PAP.



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[SDPhopelessParty]

Re: Just Do It ?

Pappy Tan The Temasek Review


The East scored better is because WP soften the ground for 20 years. WP lost every election except Hougang at GE1991 and only won more at GE2011.

When SDP won at Bukit Gombak and Nee Soon Central at GE1991, everybody say West and North were easy but WP never went there but still stick with the difficult East. When SDP lost all Bukit Gombak and Nee Soon Central at GE1997, SDP made West and North harder as voters lost confidence in all Opposition post GE1997. SDP was the biggest culprit.

At GE2011, WP regain back some lost confidence in Opposition. Just because WP refuse to follow SDP style and TTR style to go on hunger strikes, protest and to oppose everything PAP say, TTR say WP is PAP's partner. Why force WP to follow TTR's style ? TTR is dictator ??

TTR is a PAP website with the objective of sowing discord among alternative parties and create confusion among the Opposition supporters.

TTR's main job is to prevent WP from growing huge enough to rival PAP for government.

If WP fail to grow, stuck with just Hougang and Aljunied or even shrink like SDP in 1990s-2000s, then TTR would have reach its objective.

Another method to keep PAP as government is that TTR wants every alternative party to grow and rival WP instead. This scenario PAP wins as alternative parties take turns playing the musical chairs to growa and shrink but never grow huge enough to rival PAP for government and change the PAP policies. This is playing one alternative party against each other. Very evil and Anti-Singaporean tactic. This happen between throughout 1980s-2000s when SDP and WP took turns to grow and shrink and PAP happily remain as government.

A real Opposition supporter will build on what WP has already so that one day WP can contest all areas in Singapore and seriously bid to be Singapore government.

Even if WP is PAP 'B' Team as smeared by TTR, Opposition supporters should vote WP. It is better to vote for pirated PAP then genuine PAP. lol. Pirated PAP at least have unforseeable screens at times in the drama, unpredictable. Genuine PAP, we all know what genuine PAP is capable of already.

Yes, WP has flaws and weaknesses but which political party does not have flaws and weaknesses ? WP is Singaporean's best hope now for some salvation to change PAP policies. Only power talks in Singapore.

Give WP the power of government first then policies can be change. Judge WP as a government, no point passing judgements on WP now as Opposition because it is not WP policies and WP affecting Singaporean lives, it is PAP and PAP policies ruining Singaporean lives.




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[wwabbit]

Re: Just Do It ?

Personally I don't have anything against the SDP. They are just not my cup of tea. They do have an important role to play for the opposition though, even if they are unlikely to ever win a seat in parliament. Afterall it can't hurt to have someone to rile the people up against the PAP, keeping the people reminded of the atrocities that have been commited by the PAP. Meanwhile the more moderate opposition parties can get on with their work trying to win the votes of the middle ground while SDP and RP continue to harp on issues that the middle ground don't really care about.

 

[Fook Seng]

You have it backwards. It is WP that has been free-loading off the efforts of others and hitching a ride and others' expense. Let me give u an example. SDP has been the most active party after the 2006 elections after WP suddenly became silent and mute. They were the first to get onto the internet and generate increased awareness about the opposition and about the wrongs of the PAP. WP only woke up close to 2011 and they rode on the efforts created by others to win a GRC and an SMC. It was SDP and other activists who did the hard work of laying the groundwork so that others can benefit.

If that is true, SDP is the most goddamned ineffective and unsuccessful party there is. Did all the hard work but with little success. This is not I said it. You said it.

 

[ray_of_hope]

Re: Just Do It ?

Personally I don't have anything against the SDP. They are just not my cup of tea. They do have an important role to play for the opposition though, even if they are unlikely to ever win a seat in parliament. Afterall it can't hurt to have someone to rile the people up against the PAP, keeping the people reminded of the atrocities that have been commited by the PAP. Meanwhile the more moderate opposition parties can get on with their work trying to win the votes of the middle ground while SDP and RP continue to harp on issues that the middle ground don't really care about.

Sometimes I wonder whether all the noise made by some in the opposition is merely to feed their ego and vanity instead of working for the people.

 

[tanwahp]

Re: Just Do It ?

I'm speaking only for myself. I'm not trying to sound unappreciative but I have never asked SDP to fight this way. If there's something that I can tell Chee in the face, it would be to stay away from getting into lawsuits and charges. You have enough to sacrifice by joining the opposition, such as limiting career options, time away from family, loss of privacy etc. (Furthermore, I got the feeling he didn't get embroiled in them unintentionally, so it's preventable.)

Now if he went into those lawsuits against my will, then turn around and ask me to donate for what he did, why should I? Why should I heed his call to support him for doing things that I didn't agree he should do in the first place. That's the question maybe his supporters can help him answer.

 

[Fook Seng]

Sometimes I wonder whether all the noise made by some in the opposition is merely to feed their ego and vanity instead of working for the people.

Most of the time yes and for the PAP to hear.