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This is what happens when stupid opposition speaks (Lina Chiam)

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Boosting birth rate, but at what cost?

EVEN before the suggestion left her lips, Non-Constituency MP Lina Chiam knew that it was a radical one.

'I'd like to ask a very controversial question,' she said when Deputy Prime Minister Teo Chee Hean was fielding questions on how Singapore was planning to deal with its flagging birth rate.

'Will he (DPM Teo) consider baby drop, since Malaysia is doing that and we are having this population problem of not having enough babies?' she asked, referring to the baby hatches that have been deployed in Malaysia to rein in baby dumping.

Young mothers can leave their babies anonymously in the hatch, which is about the size of a regular crib. The reasoning here is that by having such a hatch, unwed mothers would have their babies rather than abort them, and they have a better chance of survival.

Thus in theory, at least, having a baby hatch would increase the actual number of babies born to Singaporean mothers and raise the birth rate. Of course, Singapore has a very low rate of abortions and baby-dumping cases, so this would not prop up the numbers by that much.

Still, every little bit helps, right?


DPM Teo did not reject the idea outright, but stressed the need to be cautious about the kinds of measures Singapore takes to increase the birth rate.

'I think we must be very careful when we implement such measures, whether or not we end up inadvertently encouraging sort of unwanted pregnancies and births, causing greater problems as a result of that,' he said.

The reminder was a timely one, given that the quest to boost the sluggish birth rate appears to be growing increasingly urgent.

Singapore's birth rate last year was 1.2 children for each woman of child-bearing age, well below the required replacement rate of 2.1.

This was the result of an across-the-board decrease in birth rates for all ethnic groups in the past decade. All this despite the Government pumping increasing amounts of money to try and prop up the birth rate.

The budget for marriage and parenthood measures is now $1.6 billion, more than three times the $500 million it set aside in the year 2000.

Last month, the Government appeared to go back to the drawing board. DPM Teo said it would review its policies again, and urged members of the public to contribute suggestions.

If yesterday's parliamentary sitting was anything to go by, baby hatches aside, the review might end up going over a lot of new ground.

Many of the MPs who spoke up talked about ideas like making childcare more accessible and legislating for paternity leave. These are well-worn ideas that have been discussed numerous times before.

The concern here - borne out by the willingness of Mrs Chiam yesterday to contemplate a baby drop - is that we have tried so many things without success that we may now have to resort to unthinkable ideas. There is a sense that we cannot be choosy about how we get our babies.

Nominated MP Janice Koh expressed a similar, if more restrained, version of that sentiment during the same debate yesterday.

Like Mrs Chiam, she too seemed acutely aware of the precarious turf she was venturing into.

She was so cautious in the way she phrased her question that some members had trouble understanding what she was really getting at.

'Irrespective of marital status, just looking at whole-country statistics, can't Singapore continue to model after the Nordic countries in terms of employing strategies that could also work in Singapore, irrespective of how we calculate the stats, whether it's out of wedlock or within the family context?' she asked, to some puzzled looks.

The crux of her comments was that Singapore should not rule out strategies that worked in the Nordic countries just because a large number of babies there are born to unwed mothers. DPM Teo reiterated his point about side effects in his reply.

The exchanges between DPM Teo and the two MPs hold important questions over the next phase of our pro-family efforts.

To what extent should we compromise on our values in our pursuit of babies? Should we pursue more births as an end in itself, or do we also need to care about what kind of society we end up with?

Singapore appears to have come to a difficult place in its efforts to boost the birth rate. We seem to have now exhausted all the obvious means, plucked all the low-hanging fruit.

The next step forward would logically need to be different, bolder.

But it also needs to be anchored in the knowledge that a healthy birth rate is not the only thing that matters.

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If this woman is and was not a dumb fuck together with her disillusioned husband, she would not have lost to a beady eyed insurance agent look alike who is just another lap dog , which most if not all in Potong Pasir knew.
 
Do the unthinkable then, ban abortion. Will surely get a lot more babies and solve the issue of low birth rates. However, a lot of ah liens will end up with babies that they have difficulty taking care of and end up creating another generation of ah lians.

The best solution is till to get people to have more kids.
Possible way is to subsidise deliveries more like in the old days KK.

 
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She was also stupid enough to highlight that her idea was insignificant in boosting the numbers.
 
I look at the list of questions and ideas from opposition this time, all boliao one. All wasting time. Note that WP don't dare to propose anything this time, at least Lina does.
 
Do the unthinkable then, ban abortion. Will surely get a lot more babies and solve the issue of low birth rates. However, a lot of ah liens will end up with babies that they have difficulty taking care of and end up creating another generation of ah lians.

The best solution is till to get people to have more kids.
Possible way is to subsidise deliveries more like in the old days KK.


You don't learn or can't learn hor?

Your MIWs only care about collect more money not giving out more subsidies, as though you don't know?

Anyway, your fuckard MIW already was giving money in the form of some don't know what fuck baby bonus but the real issue is the cost of living is driving Sinkie sterile! LOL
 
Lina Chiam needs to use her brains and her privilege of being able to speak up in parliament. Instead of such twit-worthy suggestions, she should recommend housing, tax and childcare incentives to boost birthrates.
 
The real issue is not the cost of living but attitudes. Cost of living goes up all over the world but not necessarily depress birth rates.
Even within Singapore, Malays are much less well off but have more kids. In other words, Chinese have no excuse.
 
The real issue is not the cost of living but attitudes. Cost of living goes up all over the world but not necessarily depress birth rates.
Even within Singapore, Malays are much less well off but have more kids. In other words, Chinese have no excuse.

Kinana, cost of living is definitely a prime concern when you have $100k COE, $1k/mth childcare services and $600k BTO. Under such high living expenses, still want to raise a child is unthinkable for most young couples.
 
Potong Pasir is lost forever....just because CST was selfish in wanting to retain the power within his family. For that he actually has little regards for the voters in Potong Pasir.
 
Boosting birth rate, but at what cost?

EVEN before the suggestion left her lips, Non-Constituency MP Lina Chiam knew that it was a radical one.

'I'd like to ask a very controversial question,' she said when Deputy Prime Minister Teo Chee Hean was fielding questions on how Singapore was planning to deal with its flagging birth rate.

'Will he (DPM Teo) consider baby drop, since Malaysia is doing that and we are having this population problem of not having enough babies?' she asked, referring to the baby hatches that have been deployed in Malaysia to rein in baby dumping.

Young mothers can leave their babies anonymously in the hatch, which is about the size of a regular crib. The reasoning here is that by having such a hatch, unwed mothers would have their babies rather than abort them, and they have a better chance of survival.

Thus in theory, at least, having a baby hatch would increase the actual number of babies born to Singaporean mothers and raise the birth rate. Of course, Singapore has a very low rate of abortions and baby-dumping cases, so this would not prop up the numbers by that much.

Still, every little bit helps, right?


DPM Teo did not reject the idea outright, but stressed the need to be cautious about the kinds of measures Singapore takes to increase the birth rate.

'I think we must be very careful when we implement such measures, whether or not we end up inadvertently encouraging sort of unwanted pregnancies and births, causing greater problems as a result of that,' he said.

The reminder was a timely one, given that the quest to boost the sluggish birth rate appears to be growing increasingly urgent.

Singapore's birth rate last year was 1.2 children for each woman of child-bearing age, well below the required replacement rate of 2.1.

This was the result of an across-the-board decrease in birth rates for all ethnic groups in the past decade. All this despite the Government pumping increasing amounts of money to try and prop up the birth rate.

The budget for marriage and parenthood measures is now $1.6 billion, more than three times the $500 million it set aside in the year 2000.

Last month, the Government appeared to go back to the drawing board. DPM Teo said it would review its policies again, and urged members of the public to contribute suggestions.

If yesterday's parliamentary sitting was anything to go by, baby hatches aside, the review might end up going over a lot of new ground.

Many of the MPs who spoke up talked about ideas like making childcare more accessible and legislating for paternity leave. These are well-worn ideas that have been discussed numerous times before.

The concern here - borne out by the willingness of Mrs Chiam yesterday to contemplate a baby drop - is that we have tried so many things without success that we may now have to resort to unthinkable ideas. There is a sense that we cannot be choosy about how we get our babies.

Nominated MP Janice Koh expressed a similar, if more restrained, version of that sentiment during the same debate yesterday.

Like Mrs Chiam, she too seemed acutely aware of the precarious turf she was venturing into.

She was so cautious in the way she phrased her question that some members had trouble understanding what she was really getting at.

'Irrespective of marital status, just looking at whole-country statistics, can't Singapore continue to model after the Nordic countries in terms of employing strategies that could also work in Singapore, irrespective of how we calculate the stats, whether it's out of wedlock or within the family context?' she asked, to some puzzled looks.

The crux of her comments was that Singapore should not rule out strategies that worked in the Nordic countries just because a large number of babies there are born to unwed mothers. DPM Teo reiterated his point about side effects in his reply.

The exchanges between DPM Teo and the two MPs hold important questions over the next phase of our pro-family efforts.

To what extent should we compromise on our values in our pursuit of babies? Should we pursue more births as an end in itself, or do we also need to care about what kind of society we end up with?

Singapore appears to have come to a difficult place in its efforts to boost the birth rate. We seem to have now exhausted all the obvious means, plucked all the low-hanging fruit.

The next step forward would logically need to be different, bolder.

But it also needs to be anchored in the knowledge that a healthy birth rate is not the only thing that matters.

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i think she has been waiting for this chance to speak up on something (represent opposition ma!) that is not so technical....something simple so that she understand it. However, not trying to sound so simple,she purposely twisted a bit to make it complicated so that others will think that she is smart.
 
Kinana, cost of living is definitely a prime concern when you have $100k COE, $1k/mth childcare services and $600k BTO. Under such high living expenses, still want to raise a child is unthinkable for most young couples.

So how come malays can have more kids? Its a matter of mindsets, not cost of living. Back in the 60s and 70s, we have less money but more kids. Money is not the issue here, its selfishness.
 

So how come malays can have more kids? Its a matter of mindsets, not cost of living. Back in the 60s and 70s, we have less money but more kids. Money is not the issue here, its selfishness.

Isn't it more selfish when you cram 5 kids into a 3-room flat and make them drop out after secondary school?
 
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i think she has been waiting for this chance to speak up on something (represent opposition ma!) that is not so technical....something simple so that she understand it. However, not trying to sound so simple,she purposely twisted a bit to make it complicated so that others will think that she is smart.

As a NCMP, she is with respect, inadequate,insecure, unsure, tentative and not taken too seriously by others in Parliament. She is a lightweight even among the first-timers. Her grasp of issues tend to be limited to the confines of a well (think frog) over-simplistic and populist. Perhaps she is trying very hard to please and get some respect but alas, I don't think she is cut out for her role in Parliament. Her brand of office-politics may have served her well against her own party stalwarts but in the august Chambers, her naivete and housewifely instincts will completely exposed her lack of depth and spectrum. She should have given up her NCMP seat to others who are more deserving. The truth is she will always be remembered as CST's wife who took part in the elections and lost the PP safe seat. Pride always come before a fall.
 
Why so hard on her:confused: Her suggestion might not be a solution but she's trying. Compare that to what the PAP has done. The power to make a real change is in the hands of the gov't, the PAP. The gov't has access to all the think tanks, sociologists, academics,.... but the only solutions they can come up is to import millions of foreigner:rolleyes:


If Lina Chiam has the solution she should be running things in Spore instead of the Lee family:eek:
 
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Isn't it more selfish when you cram 5 kids into a 3-room flat and make them drop out after secondary school?

Nope, you can do better than that. Not all malays in big families do bad in school in case you are not aware.
My dad was taxi driver and he had 7 kids, all of us turned out very well. There is no excuse sir.
 
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CST should take care of his health. This silly woman is undoing his years of good work. Reading what she said, I feel like I am about to have a stroke!
 
Isn't it more selfish when you cram 5 kids into a 3-room flat and make them drop out after secondary school?

No, that not selfish. That irresponsible, heck care of the society, fuck without condom, no planning, no future, increase crime rate, gets caught in a perpetual cyclic shit hole without ending and even thinks all these is O.K!:D
 
Nope, you can do better than that. Not all malays in big families do bad in school in case you are not aware.
My dad was taxi driver and he had 7 kids, all of us turned out very well. There is no excuse sir.

Sure, you're only quoting the expectional few but does that cause any REAL change?

Maybe something like 10,000 to 50 or ratio of 200 to 1.

It's like a drop of clean water in a bucket of shit! LOL
 
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