What women want: To marry up

Char_Azn

Alfrescian (Inf)
Asset
Joined
Aug 6, 2008
Messages
4,968
Points
48
SINGAPORE - There are graduate women in Singapore who are willing to date and eventually marry blue-collar workers.

But they are few, said seven dating agencies.

Mr Matthew Chan, managing director of Love Express Services, said 80 per cent of his graduate female clients want to be matched with someone just as educated, if not more so.

Of his 5,000 clients, 60 per cent are women.

And 80 per cent of these women are degree holders.

"Women generally want to marry 'up'," he said.

"And education is linked to career prospects, salary and the company one keeps.

"While graduate women might be friendly to non-graduate men during events, they would still prefer to date someone of the same social strata.

The subject of graduate women dating blue-collar workers became a hot topic after The New Paper on Sunday (TNPS) featured a rich graduate woman who plans to marry her chicken-rice seller boyfriend.

The report followed a speech by Deputy Prime Minister Tharman Shanmugaratnam, who had called on Singaporeans to rediscover the pride in blue-collar jobs and regard them as core to the workforce.

Speaking at a ministerial forum organised by the National University of Singapore's Students Political Association on April 4, he said: "We need to be a society where customers treat blue-collar workers with respect and that requires some attitudinal changes."

Since the TNPS report, there has been a lot of debate online over whether women in Singapore are too fussy.

In the report, a straw poll of 50 undergraduate and graduate women was the talking point.

All 50 women said they would not date a blue-collar worker.

Some people are not surprised by the result.

Of the seven dating agencies The New Paper contacted, none said they had a graduate woman client willing to be matched with a blue-collar worker.

Mr Chan of Love Express Services said women who might be open to dating "beneath" them tend to be over the age of 38.

"But it has not come to my knowledge of any successful cases leading to marriages in my three years in the business," he added.

Ms Maggie Lim, director of My Perfect Link, felt a few female graduates may be open to dating a diploma holder.

But none would want to date a blue-collar worker.

"Women who approach an agency already pay a premium to engage the agency's services," she said. "Of course, they have high expectations."

Ms Lydia Gan, co-founder of Clique Wise, was sceptical that such matches would last because of the difference in their background.

Regret?

She said she has had women clients who married less-educated men while they were in their 20s only to become unhappy a decade later.

By then, the women would be doing well in their careers, but the men would still be holding low-paying jobs.

Said Ms Gan: "These women would ask themselves why their peers can afford caviar, but they cannot. "I'm not saying it's impossible for such relationships to work, but the tendency to compare is always there."

Miss Indranee Rajah, Member of Parliament for Tanjong Pagar GRC, told TNP that she hopes women will choose their potential partners based on how well they can "click" and not just on paper qualifications.

She acknowledged that being of the same educational background can help some couples to gel.

But there can be other sorts of commonalities, like religion, ethnicity or cultural background.

"We are all human and influenced by society," she said.

"But I hope people can see others in their entirety, and not be fixated on labels.

"If couples find it difficult to understand each other because of their differing jobs or educational backgrounds, then fair enough.

"But women should not write somebody off just because he doesn't have a piece of paper."

Unhappy men

Going by the online reaction to the poll results, most Singaporean men were unhappy with the women's responses.

One, Mr Ivan Tan, in his 20s, wrote on Facebook: "The more girls feel this way, the more I am determined to rise up above them and make them stare in awe before me, yet not being able to own and achieve (sic) me."

Business development officer Royston Ang wrote: "I believe those girls being interviewed will not mind being with an uneducated guy who (has) millions.

"With money anyone can be educated easily."

But there were also men who accepted the pragmatism of graduate women as being realistic.

A married man, Mr Zack Kong, 28, posted on Facebook: "Sad but true... Status, money, education are the new currencies in this modern world."

http://www.divaasia.com/article/16614
 
sam leong and the new mod might infract you for quoting large amount of data. why do you have to quote it?
 
Last edited:
Like that also infract meh? I thought he only infract when I quote large amt of data from other pple's post and reply with last then a statement. He had done it to me a number of times before. I'm just used to quoting articles to represent stuff that are not my words. If it's my own thoughts I dun use quotes
 
Women have a two-pronged mating strategy: they find rich, nice guys (the providers) to take care of them and their babies while getting sexual gratification from manly blue collar handymen or hot Thai bar gigolos (the inseminators). :)
 
maybe should set up gigolo agency for these women graduates. maybe then, they will appreciate the capabilities of blue collared workers.
 
nothing wrong.....in the animal world the females also wants the alpha male.
 
maybe should set up gigolo agency for these women graduates. maybe then, they will appreciate the capabilities of blue collared workers.

You will be surprised that these women will use their own money to finance the lifestyle of the gigolos. Sinkie women has reached a new low.

A Nigerian man who killed his lover was sentenced to 12 years’ jail yesterday after pleading guilty to culpable homicide. Justice Lee Seiu Kin in High Court said that Amanchukwu Chukwuma, 28, had cruelly snuffed out” Ms Liu Shuhui’s life, but the judge accepted that the killing of the woman – Amanchukwu’s former lover – was not premeditated.

His lawyer, Mr Wendell Wong, argued that Amanchukwu never planned to kill Ms Liu. The judge agreed that he was provoked at the time of the incident. However, Amanchukwu admitted to strangling Ms Liu after they became involved in a heated quarrel. Ms Liu’s highly decomposed body was eventually found only in her underwear by a town council supervisor on December 29, 2009.

The court had heard that the couple, who entered into a relationship in April 2008, constantly argued. They were eventually evicted from a room they rented in Pending Road in Bukit Panjang because the landlord could not put up with their bickering.

While Ms Liu moved back to her parents’ home, Amanchukwu erected a makeshift home at Bukit Panjang Park until November 2009.

But their relationship broke down and Ms Liu left Singapore for India with her new boyfriend, another Nigerian. Meanwhile, Amanchukwu moved into his new girlfriend’s home in Boon Lay Drive.

The former couple kept in touch despite breaking up with each other, and they arranged to meet again in December 2009.

Court documents showed the couple had cheated another woman of $1,900, and he wanted to settle the problem by returning the money.

After meeting, they made their way to Bukit Panjang Park, but began quarrelling along the way.

Ms Liu called Amanchukwu ‘a stupid man’ and pointed her fingers at him.

He slapped her hands away but she kicked his groin. He then proceeded to punch her continuously to the ground, and strangled her until she lay motionless.

He then removed her clothes, leaving her in her underwear, before burning the garments at the scene.

Culpable homicide carries a maximum sentence of 20 years’ jail and caning.
 
Double Post
 
Last edited:
sam leong and the new mod might infract you for quoting large amount of data. why do you have to quote it?

No I won't. I do the same thing when I'm quoting from an external source.

I infract only when a huge chunk of a thread is quoted when replying with a one or two liner.
 
Its called the ladder theory.

http://attractionwiki.org/wiki/Ladder_theory

The Ladder Theory, or LT, is a pseudoscientific explanation of the ways in which men and women evaluate members of the opposite sex upon first impressions. In the Ladder theory model, this decision is typically made quickly and is often final. This determines the other's potential as a future mate. Ladder theory began as satire, but developed into an elaborated, unsubstantiated model of the dynamics of male-female attraction. While Ladder theory has many supporters[1] and claims to be grounded in decades of sociological research, the theory has never appeared in a referenced journal or scientific forum and its proponents cite no studies or data sets to support their conclusions.
Contents [hide]
1 Lovers and Acquaintances
2 Nice Guys and Intellectual Whores
3 Variants
4 See also
5 References
6 External links
[edit]Lovers and Acquaintances

Ladder theory makes unevaluated claims about how heterosexual men and women evaluate potential opposite-sex sexual partners and friends. It is based on an assumption that men tend to be more comfortable with the idea of having sex with female friends than the reverse. Ladder theory thus presumes that a platonic friendship between a man and a woman, in practice, lowers rather than increases the likelihood that the relationship will develop into a sexual one, due to the greater perceived tendency of women to maintain strong separation between relationship types. As a result, the initial decision-making process on how a particular relationship is to be classified is considered vital to understand. This process of classification and ranking is described as a ladder.
Ladder theory claims that heterosexual women categorize men into either possible sexual partners (sometimes called the Potential ladder) or nonsexual acquaintances (sometimes called the Never or Friends ladder). Each category has a hierarchical ranking among members within them, based on their perceived sexual desirability or the perceived value of their friendship. The separation between ladders is based on an assumption that women assign value on the ladders based on significantly different criteria: the qualities deemed desirable in a friend often appear very different from those considered attractive in a sexual partner. Ladder theory also presumes that women consider the strength or presence of one set of qualities to equal the absence or weakness of the other -- essentially, that a specific man's rank on one ladder is inversely proportional to his natural rank on the other -- thus leading them to rigidly maintain this categorization once assigned. Men who become aware that they have been placed, against their own preference, on the Never ladder by a particular woman are cautioned against trying to get themselves recategorized: this act is perceived as an unwelcome emotional aggression, and may provoke a response of hostility or withdrawal.
Conversely, Ladder theory claims that men evaluate female acquaintances on a single ladder, conflating both sexual desirability and relationship value into an overall measure of priority (but usually with sexual attraction given primacy). Women placed at the top of the male ladder represent an absolute ideal of desirability, usually a combination of extreme sexual attraction and whatever other personal qualities are considered desirable by the man in question. (These qualities may be social expectations, pragmatic concerns or nonsexual ideals, depending on the individual and his context.) Only the very bottom of the male ladder, in ladder theory, is reserved for women the man has firmly excluded from his sexual interest.
[edit]Nice Guys and Intellectual Whores

Ladder theory teaches that differences between the one-ladder ranking system of men and the two-ladder ranking system of women often lead to mutual misunderstanding, the most egregious example of which is purported to be the so-called nice guy approach. In this model, a man attempts to increase his appeal to a woman by demonstrating the qualities she has indicated that she values in another person (stereotypically, these are positive friendship qualities such as patience, kindness, helpfulness and consolation). To the male, this is perceived as simply increasing his overall appeal on the single ladder; for the female, however, such behaviour increases the man's rank on the Friendship ladder while simultaneously decreasing it on the Partner ladder, due to the perceived disparity in criteria between the ladders.
A harsher term for the same scenario is derived from the Woody Allen short story The Whore of Mensa: Ladder theory suggests that a man who attempts to appeal to a woman through intellectual stimulation or entertainment runs the risk of, rather than becoming or replacing the woman's sexual partner, becoming what Allen satirically depicts as an intellectual whore -- someone sought out solely for their intellect, with no interest on the part of the woman in broadening the relationship to other dimensions. Ladder theory asserts that there is less stigma attached to a woman maintaining platonic friendships with other men outside her primary sexual relationship than the reverse, due to the perceived separation of relationship values on the ladders, and that this entails a certain degree of hypocrisy -- women are given latitude to maintain multiple relationships to satisfy all their social needs, while men are expected to find satisfaction for all their social needs in a single relationship only.
Ladder Theory's primary assertion in social mechanics is that classic nice behaviour in courtship is actually a less productive tactic than might be presumed, and can in fact be counterproductive, as women are presumed typically to infer lack of confidence rather than devotion or good character. Ladder theory argues that the most effective tactic is to establish desirability on the Potential ladder first and only then to establish high ranking on the Friendship ladder, rather than the reverse.
[edit]Variants

Some critics[2] argue for a slightly different model of Ladder Theory in which, contrary to the premises above, men in fact also have two ladders rather than just one.
Just as females will become emotionally close to males on either of their ladders, but will only consider having sex with males on the good ladder, males will have sex with females on either of their ladders, but will only consider emotional closeness (e.g. a committed relationship) with females on the good ladder.
Also, Neil Strauss and Mystery (among others) have developed alternative theories.
 
What men want: their legs up
 
Back
Top