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Good analysis of Prof Lim's shock therapy against miw's workfare....

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[h=2]Good analysis of Prof Lim's shock therapy against miw's workfare....[/h]
[]http://singaporemind.blogspot.com/2012/04/breaking-out-from-cycle-of-cheap-labor.html[]


Breaking out from the cycle of cheap labor and low productivity.
After Professor Lim proposed his shock therapy to push up wages of low income workers earning below $1500 and freeze the wages of those earning more that $15000, Minister Lim Swee Say & Lee Yi Shyan came out to make the standard argument against wage intervention:

"National Trades Union Congress (NTUC) secretary-general Lim Swee Say felt local economist Lim Chong Yah's suggestions for a wage restructuring was 'too risky".....

"However, labour chief Lim Swee Say said that if productivity does not lead to a corresponding increase, competitiveness would be lost which may cause some businesses to close down or re-locate out of Singapore.

This in turn would lead to a higher unemployment rate and structural unemployment."
- Wage restructuring suggestion 'too risky': Lim Swee Say.

When you run an economy, you have to make sure that business don't become too dependent on cheap labor and income inequality does not become too big otherwise you can end up in a situation where there are no good easy risk-free solutions for the problems you face. Professor Lim's proposed approach is risky - that's why he calls it "shock therapy". The only reason for shock therapy is that things cannot be maintain at the current state - societies with this high level of inequality do far worse that societies that have more equality[Link] and the longer you have this level of inequality the deeper your problems become and the harder it is to break out of the vicious cycle[Is Higher Income Inequality Associated with Lower Intergenerational Mobility].The PAP govt took a long time to recognize the problem and do something about it. It was only in 2011 that they saw the trend of falling productivity & low wages and came up with programmes to improve productivity. Lim Swee Say suggests that instead of doing "shock therapy" we try to improve productivity first then wages will improve. Remember the earlier approach of "skills upgrading" to improve the wages of low income earners - after more than a decade skills upgrading we find the wages of these workers either stagnant or falling because they were retrained to fill one low paying job after another.

To illustrate the various approaches clearly, lets look at a simple example. In some parts of India, the wages is so low, they human beings to do what is normally done by machines in developed countries.



Hard to believe but this is a human powered ferris wheel that uses cheap labor. The obvious way to improve productivity is to buy a motor and reduce the number of workers. However, the business man that owns this ferris wheel is not going to do it because he has access to cheap labor - why spend money on a motor when it is cheaper to use humans to do the job. No amount of productivity campaigns and urging by the govt can overcome the business logic of keep cost down by using the cheapest means to keep the wheel turning. The business man is not going to invest in a motor just because Lim Swee Say tells him to do so. There are only 2 ways to get productivity up. The first way is for govt to subsidize the purchase of motors but that doesn't guarantee the boss will pay his workers better after productivity goes up but he will certainly sack the workers he doesn't need. The 2nd way is to make labor expensive by setting a minimum wage. Once the cost of labor goes up, the businessman has no choice but to invest in a motor because he cannot pay all his workers and still make a profit. The workers who are now better paid have more money for consumption and that generates demand which will create employment for workers that were laid off.

When wages are pushed up, there is a risk that the businessman will choose to simply shut down his Ferris wheel and close shop however as long as there is demand for Ferris wheel rides and money to be made, he is likely to stay open for business. Before Malaysia decided to implement minimum wage, Malaysia businesses claimed that 3 million jobs will be lost and lobbied against minimum wage. This is essentially the same argument put up by the PAP govt against minimum wage and Prof Lim's shock therapy. It will be interesting to watch what happens in Malaysia once minimum wage is implemented. Hong Kong implemented minimum wage and saw no significant impact on employment[Businesses still hiring despite new minimum wages].

One of the particularly bad schemes implemented by the PAP that will cause our current problems to be entrenched is Workfare. On the surface it looks like money given to lowly paid workers to keep their heads above water. However, it is actually a subsidy for businesses using cheap labor - business don't pay workers enough for basic living and the govt steps in to make up the difference. Workfare creates no incentive for businesses to improve productivity because it encourages businesses to use cheap labor by subsidizing their wage bill. Workfare traps workers in menial jobs and perpetuates the current state of affairs because the PAP uses this scheme to justify not doing more to break out of the low wage and low productivity cycle.

If we want to break out of this vicious cycle, there is no choice now but to take some risk using wage intervention approaches. One way to do it is set a minimum wage and raise it every year until it reaches living wage level at the same time restricting the access to cheap foreign labor. The rate at which we do it depends on how much time we believe we have to solve this problem of income inequality. Professor Lim recommends a "shock" approach (50% increase in wages low income earners in 3 years) to snap us out of this vicious cycle because he sees Singapore nearly reaching a dangerous situation unless we do something. The PAP on the other hand has gone on a completely separate direction - they seem to think that they have all the time in the world to get this fixed favoring approaches that are so gradual they hardly moves us away from the status quo.

 
lim swee say no big no small, this prof lim if i am not wrong was one of those responsible for shaping singapore economy in the early days

"Professor Lim joined the Singapore Administrative Service in 1965 prior to joining the academia in 1969. Among the positions he held in the Singapore Administrative Service was Assistant Financial Secretary followed by Second Assistant Economic Adviser when Sir Sydney Caine, and later Dr Frederic Benham, was Economic Adviser to the Singapore Government.

His private sector experience includes, at varying times, being on the Board of Directors of the Commercial and Industrial Bank, Delifrance Asia, the Straits Trading Company, the United Overseas Bank and International Adviser to NEC (Japan). Prior to this, his consultation experience included being the Economic Consultant to First National City Bank (in Kuala Lumpur), the Bank of Tokyo (in Singapore), Senior Economic Adviser to ECAFE, Economic Consultant to the World Bank Lester Pearson Commission, Economic Consultant to the UNESCO-IAU Project on Higher Education and Southeast Asian Development. Lately (2002), he served as Consultant to the Mauritian Government on Wage Reforms."
 
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So I'm assuming everyone in here have no problems seeing prices goes up when the businesses pass on the increase cost of operations to the consumers
 
So I'm assuming everyone in here have no problems seeing prices goes up when the businesses pass on the increase cost of operations to the consumers

of course no problem seeing the price go up because own salary also go up . own salary go up spending power also go up ...and when spending power goes up all company sales also go up , everyone benefit ....its like a cycle . even i never study also know ...why cant you ?
 
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The only reason for shock therapy is that things cannot be maintain at the current state - societies with this high level of inequality do far worse that societies that have more equality

The author obviously hasn't read The Spirit Level Delusion
 
look at all third world country ...why their country economy so bad ? because their ppl are under paid !!!! no money to spend how to make country economy strong ?
 
So I'm assuming everyone in here have no problems seeing prices goes up when the businesses pass on the increase cost of operations to the consumers


Prices ARE going up whether or not the labour cost goes up. Take for example the cost of electricity.... whether fuel costs goes up or down, price of electricity goes up. So? What's the difference? You might as well increase the salaries of the bottom few so that at least they can survive better than rats as they are doing now.
 
Once the cost of labor goes up, the businessman has no choice but to invest in a motor because he cannot pay all his workers and still make a profit.

Yes but he could also disassemble his ferris wheel and move it to some other country where labour is cheaper. That's what I would do with my sinkie company if the Singapore govt starts dictating how much I should pay my employees.
 
Yes but he could also disassemble his ferris wheel and move it to some other country where labour is cheaper. That's what I would do with my sinkie company if the Singapore govt starts dictating how much I should pay my employees.

yes..you do make sense .but you are talking about big company and internet biz . what about small and medium sized retail biz , FnB biz .....ect that cant move over overseas ?
 
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Yes but he could also disassemble his ferris wheel and move it to some other country where labour is cheaper. That's what I would do with my sinkie company if the Singapore govt starts dictating how much I should pay my employees.

But you could also be saving much more on your managers who spend the bulk of their working time playing golf and having long lunches.
 
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The author obviously hasn't read The Spirit Level Delusion

I agree with you on this. Having a Gov controlled high minimum pay may not be the solution. It may cause even more unemployment for entry-level workers ( cause employers may not think they are worth that pay) and may result in even more illegal cheap workers. This problem is happening in some sectors in USA right now.
 
look at all third world country ...why their country economy so bad ? because their ppl are under paid !!!! no money to spend how to make country economy strong ?

Sorry drifter, I'm not with you on this. One common denominator for the third world countries is corruption. The majority of wealth are controlled by the corrupted few. That is not free market principle.
 
yes..you do make sense .but you are talking about big company and internet biz . what about small and medium sized retail biz , FnB biz .....ect that cant move over overseas ?

All that happens with service industries which aren't mobile is that their costs rise and this is passed on to the consumer.

In NZ, I pay $4 for a cup of coffee which would cost only $1 in Singapore.

The net result is that the cost of living goes up for everyone and those on the minimum wage end up no better off. Their salaries may have gone up but everything they buy has gone up too so the net gain is zilch.

Each minimum wage increase in NZ has resulted in more factory closures. Fisher and Paykel used to employ thousands in NZ. They have since shifted all their mass production overseas. NZ is worse off as a result.
 
Sorry drifter, I'm not with you on this. One common denominator for the third world countries is corruption. The majority of wealth are controlled by the corrupted few. That is not free market principle.

no worries bro...human are not always the same ....yes some of your point did knock some sense into me . thankyou for sharing your honest and logical sense , i always like logic and common sense post . ...please let me think deep enough before i start posting in this thread again ..
 
All that happens with service industries which aren't mobile is that their costs rise and this is passed on to the consumer.

In NZ, I pay $4 for a cup of coffee which would cost only $1 in Singapore.

The net result is that the cost of living goes up for everyone and those on the minimum wage end up no better off. Their salaries may have gone up but everything they buy has gone up too so the net gain is zilch.

Each minimum wage increase in NZ has resulted in more factory closures. Fisher and Paykel used to employ thousands in NZ. They have since shifted all their mass production overseas. NZ is worse off as a result.

sam...you are right on this ...i got nothing to say . i will go and get more biz book to expand my thinking ..thankyou .
 
Sorry drifter, I'm not with you on this. One common denominator for the third world countries is corruption. The majority of wealth are controlled by the corrupted few. That is not free market principle.

All economic problems can be explained by supply and demand. Singapore satisfies the demands of rich crooks looking to store their ill-gotten gains. Therefore Singapore is rich. Simple really. :)
 
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How to achieve equilibrium? It's a chicken and egg vicious cycle
 
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Why is there a need to achieve equilibrium? PAPpies and their corporate cronies are reveling in the supposed disequilibrium of the Sinkie economy. Get out of the collectivist mindset. We are all individuals. I fail to see why we must seek to achieve some arbitrary "perfect equilibrium" where all demands are equally met by supply. What's good for "society" isn't necessarily good for the individual.
 
So I'm assuming everyone in here have no problems seeing prices goes up when the businesses pass on the increase cost of operations to the consumers

In Singapore, the business IS the government, since the government controls the land and rent.

Singapore Inc. has always been a corporate fascist's wet dream come true.
 
this is a good thread ..i want to hear view from both side ...
 
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