Who wants to discuss about Buddhism

[kryonlight]

So if one attained enlightenment, he'll just become nothing after he dies?

A person who attained enlightenment has escaped from the clutches of all forms of becoming.

Becoming "nothing" is still a form of becoming, hence a form of clinging, and is thus not enlightenment.

You are still making the same assumptions I talked about previously. What is a "being", other than the five clinging aggregates which are clearly not belonging to the self when carefully inspected and analyzed?

Not go to heaven? Some Buddhist got talk about heaven leh.

Going to heaven is a form of becoming.

 

[presssomemore]

So it's simply "the end" or "not there"?
So there's no use praying to Buddha because he does not exist anymore?

 

[kryonlight]

So it's simply "the end" or "not there"?
So there's no use praying to Buddha because he does not exist anymore?

That's correct.

 

[GOD IS MY DOG]

people won't understand becoz they are full of their own ideas of how things are and should be..................


people must realize there's no such thing as a soul or identity that's truly their ''own''.................


then the ''going out'' part will be easier to accept..................

 

[presssomemore]

So what is the purpose of trying to hard to attain enlightenment, apart from the few seconds thrill before death, since after death he don't even know that he's did it (because he do not exist thus "cannot know")?

 

[GOD IS MY DOG]

So what is the purpose of trying to hard to attain enlightenment, apart from the few seconds thrill before death, since after death he don't even know that he's did it (because he do not exist thus "cannot know")?

you are again speaking in terms of people having a permanent soul or identity..................there's no such thing !


''people'' are merely streams of thoughts.............as long as you keep thinking that people has a soul or identity..........you won't understand.

 

[kryonlight]

So what is the purpose of trying to hard to attain enlightenment, apart from the few seconds thrill before death, since after death he don't even know that he's did it (because he do not exist thus "cannot know")?

When the nature of perception had been penetrated and fully understood through enlightenment, is there any reason to hold onto the perception "I had done it"?

That would be illogical, since any "holding onto" is a manifestation of clinging, and thus non-enlightenment.

 

[presssomemore]

When the nature of perception had been penetrated and fully understood through enlightenment, is there any reason to hold onto the perception "I had done it"?

That would be illogical, since any "holding onto" is a manifestation of clinging, and thus non-enlightenment.

Ya hor.... never thought of that.

you are again speaking in terms of people having a permanent soul or identity..................there's no such thing !


''people'' are merely streams of thoughts.............as long as you keep thinking that people has a soul or identity..........you won't understand.

"I think, therefore I am."? <-- Saw this on another thread.


Why Buddhism so chim one? I don't think I can ever comprehend.

 

[kryonlight]

why Buddhism so chim one? I don't think I can ever comprehend.

You only need to comprehend two things: stress and the cessation of stress.

These two summarizes everything that the historical Buddha taught.

 

[zeebjii]

doing what to others is your choice and intention since you're not an insect that's running on instincts......

Yes and my choice will have so great a chain reaction impact that it renders the karma theory unacceptable.



To keep it simple:

My mum's karma fate is to be left to die in mountains. The problem is who will be the executor of the karma act?

If it is me and have free will, i can choose not to send her to die. but then it totally messes up the karma theory, because it's my mum's inescapable fate to die in the mountains because of some evil deed she did.

If i can i as her son can reverse her bad karma by doing good deeds of my own to atone for her bad deed, it doesnt make sense too, because it is stated that karma is a natural self governing law that no one has power over.

You HAVE to pay for whaever evil deed you did. If i can reverse my mums bad deed, it will mean that she will escape karmic punishment for her evil deed, which is totally unacceptable, because it is not supposed to work this way.

It will then become like the christan model of repent and you will be saved, regardless of what you did berfore.

 

[GOD IS MY DOG]

Ya hor.... never thought of that.


"I think, therefore I am."? <-- Saw this on another thread.


Why Buddhism so chim one? I don't think I can ever comprehend.

Buddhism is not deep...............problem is people are so full of their own ideas about how things should be and shouldn't be ...............

 

[GOD IS MY DOG]

Yes and my choice will have so great a chain reaction impact that it renders the karma theory unacceptable.



To keep it simple:

My mum's karma fate is to be left to die in mountains. The problem is who will be the executor of the karma act?

If it is me and have free will, i can choose not to send her to die. but then it totally messes up the karma theory, because it's my mum's inescapable fate to die in the mountains because of some evil deed she did.

If i can i as her son can reverse her bad karma by doing good deeds of my own to atone for her bad deed, it doesnt make sense too, because it is stated that karma is a natural self governing law that no one has power over.

You HAVE to pay for whaever evil deed you did. If i can reverse my mums bad deed, it will mean that she will escape karmic punishment for her evil deed, which is totally unacceptable, because it is not supposed to work this way.

It will then become like the christan model of repent and you will be saved, regardless of what you did berfore.

what talking you.................


1) if your mom is to die in mountain......cannot die of exposure, thirst, hunger, etc .....or killed by animal meh ?

2) when you chant the sutras or do whatever good deeds for your mom....you can't reverse anything......you're only ''helping'' any of her previous good karmic seeds to ''ripen''..............