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What will keep the peace between Israel and the Arabs is not treaties

duluxe

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https://freebeacon.com/national-sec...back-on-ramaswamys-stance-against-israel-aid/

“If we’re successful, the true mark of success for the U.S., and for Israel, will be to get to a 2028 where Israel is so strongly standing on its own two feet, integrated into the economic and security infrastructure of the rest of the Middle East, that it will not require and be dependent on that same level of historical aid or commitment from the U.S.,” Ramaswamy said.
What will keep the peace between Israel and the Arabs is not treaties, as Ramaswamy seems to think. It is, rather, deterrence. As long as Israel remains overwhelmingly, and obviously, stronger than any combination of its enemies, peace — that is, the absence of large-scale war — will continue. Israel would be foolish to entrust its security to treaties with Muslim Arabs. For Muslims, the exemplar of treaty-making is the agreement made by Muhammad with the Meccans at Hudaibiyya in 628 A.D. In that agreement, Muhammad entered into a “truce” treaty with the Meccans that was supposed to last for ten years. But after only 18 months, realizing that his forces had grown much stronger, Muhammad broke the treaty, attacked the Meccans, and successfully routed them. And that treaty-breaking has been the model ever since for Muslims: when making agreements with non-Muslims: whenever they feel “stronger,” they will do as Muhammad, the Model of Conduct and Perfect Man, did. They will ignore the treaty and attack the enemy. Is Vivek Ramaswamy familiar with the Treaty of Al-Hudaibiyya? He still has time to familiarize himself with that agreement, and the reason it was. breached, and why this matters so much today.

Israel is not just one more ally of the U.S., but its only sure military ally between Europe and India. It has been compared to a giant stationary aircraft carrier that America can count on, both as a place where, if need be, American planes could be positioned, and as a supplier of hundreds of advanced airplanes, UAVs, and other weapons that could be used if America called upon the Israeli military to assist it in the region, as for example, in an attack on Iran’s nuclear sites if the Islamic Republic appears to be only a few days away from manufacturing a bomb. Israel’s military also holds Hamas in check in Gaza, and prevents the terror group, which is the Palestinian branch of the Muslim Brotherhood, from taking over the West Bank from the P.A. It also shares intelligence about the Brotherhood and other Islamic threats with the governments of Egypt, the UAE, and Saudi Arabia. It is Israel that has kept Hezbollah within its lair in Lebanon, and Israeli threats of massive retaliation have so far prevented Hezbollah from launching any of its stockpile of 150,000 rockets into the Jewish state. Israeli Defense Minister Yoav Gallant recently warned that if Hezbollah attacks the northern Galilee, “we will return Lebanon to the stone age.” Despite his huffing and puffing, the braggart-warrior and Hezbollah leader Hassan Nasrallah has done nothing more than plant two Hezbollah flags just inside the Lebanese-Israeli border, then removed one, and now has dared the Israelis to remove the other. Nasrallah, by the way, who boasts of what terrible things his group can do to Israel, still changes his residence every few days, so scared is he of being assassinated by Israel.
 

syed putra

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For Muslims, the exemplar of treaty-making is the agreement made by Muhammad with the Meccans at Hudaibiyya in 628 A.D. In that agreement, Muhammad entered into a “truce” treaty with the Meccans that was supposed to last for ten years. But after only 18 months, realizing that his forces had grown much stronger, Muhammad broke the treaty, attacked the Meccans, and successfully routed them.
The entire Arabic history during the time of mohamed cannot be corroborated.
they say early mosques faced towards Jerusalem. But technology now confirms it faced Petra, a abandoned Nabatean city.
When Arabs took over Jerusalem peacefully, they did not bother to build any mosque.
Current oldest Muslim site is the dome of the rock which was built 50 years after the conquest.
 

duluxe

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The entire Arabic history during the time of mohamed cannot be corroborated.
they say early mosques faced towards Jerusalem. But technology now confirms it faced Petra, a abandoned Nabatean city.
When Arabs took over Jerusalem peacefully, they did not bother to build any mosque.
Current oldest Muslim site is the dome of the rock which was built 50 years after the conquest.
Muhammed broke the treaty, was that approved by allah. Most of us with a normal head, won't look up to anyone who broke treaty.
 

nightsafari

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Muhammed broke the treaty, was that approved by allah. Most of us with a normal head, won't look up to anyone who broke treaty.
I don't even think most Muslims know who they are looking up to. They just know his name and attribute it to him. I'm pretty sure most don't even know what he did in his life.

On the other hand, Muslims can easily quote day in and day out the writings of their clerics. Those are their gods.
 

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https://freebeacon.com/national-sec...back-on-ramaswamys-stance-against-israel-aid/


What will keep the peace between Israel and the Arabs is not treaties, as Ramaswamy seems to think. It is, rather, deterrence. As long as Israel remains overwhelmingly, and obviously, stronger than any combination of its enemies, peace — that is, the absence of large-scale war — will continue. Israel would be foolish to entrust its security to treaties with Muslim Arabs. For Muslims, the exemplar of treaty-making is the agreement made by Muhammad with the Meccans at Hudaibiyya in 628 A.D. In that agreement, Muhammad entered into a “truce” treaty with the Meccans that was supposed to last for ten years. But after only 18 months, realizing that his forces had grown much stronger, Muhammad broke the treaty, attacked the Meccans, and successfully routed them. And that treaty-breaking has been the model ever since for Muslims: when making agreements with non-Muslims: whenever they feel “stronger,” they will do as Muhammad, the Model of Conduct and Perfect Man, did. They will ignore the treaty and attack the enemy. Is Vivek Ramaswamy familiar with the Treaty of Al-Hudaibiyya? He still has time to familiarize himself with that agreement, and the reason it was. breached, and why this matters so much today.

Israel is not just one more ally of the U.S., but its only sure military ally between Europe and India. It has been compared to a giant stationary aircraft carrier that America can count on, both as a place where, if need be, American planes could be positioned, and as a supplier of hundreds of advanced airplanes, UAVs, and other weapons that could be used if America called upon the Israeli military to assist it in the region, as for example, in an attack on Iran’s nuclear sites if the Islamic Republic appears to be only a few days away from manufacturing a bomb. Israel’s military also holds Hamas in check in Gaza, and prevents the terror group, which is the Palestinian branch of the Muslim Brotherhood, from taking over the West Bank from the P.A. It also shares intelligence about the Brotherhood and other Islamic threats with the governments of Egypt, the UAE, and Saudi Arabia. It is Israel that has kept Hezbollah within its lair in Lebanon, and Israeli threats of massive retaliation have so far prevented Hezbollah from launching any of its stockpile of 150,000 rockets into the Jewish state. Israeli Defense Minister Yoav Gallant recently warned that if Hezbollah attacks the northern Galilee, “we will return Lebanon to the stone age.” Despite his huffing and puffing, the braggart-warrior and Hezbollah leader Hassan Nasrallah has done nothing more than plant two Hezbollah flags just inside the Lebanese-Israeli border, then removed one, and now has dared the Israelis to remove the other. Nasrallah, by the way, who boasts of what terrible things his group can do to Israel, still changes his residence every few days, so scared is he of being assassinated by Israel.

A dead islamic terrorist keeps the best peace treaty.
 

Loofydralb

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Muhammed broke the treaty, was that approved by allah. Most of us with a normal head, won't look up to anyone who broke treaty.
No he did not. The Quraish broke it by raiding Muslim caravans first. That went on for some time and the prophet refused to retaliate, even when his people demanded him to.
 

realDonaldTrump

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"If a bird came close we knew"
"Even even a cockroach came to our fenced border we knew"
"How did 400 hamas pass through today"?

 

realDonaldTrump

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“I served in the IDF 25 years ago in the intelligence forces.. there’s no way, in my view, that Israel did not know what’s coming"​

 

Likemeat

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For Muslims, the exemplar of treaty-making is the agreement made by Muhammad with the Meccans at Hudaibiyya in 628 A.D
Is Vivek Ramaswamy familiar with the Treaty of Al-Hudaibiyya?

Thanks to this treaty, the way was opened for the conquest of Mecca, which took place two years later when the truce was broken because Banu Bakr, an ally of the Quraysh, attacked the Banu Khuza'a, who had recently become allies of the Muslims.
 

duluxe

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No he did not. The Quraish broke it by raiding Muslim caravans first. That went on for some time and the prophet refused to retaliate, even when his people demanded him to.
That is the mainstream muslim version of of the treaty of Hudaibiyah.

There is another version


The Sunan of Abu Dawud in volume 2, #2759 says:


"....Thereafter some believing women who were immigrants came. (Allah sent down: O ye who believe when believing women come to you as emigrants). Allah most high forbade them to send them back, but ordered them to restore the dower."



Muhammad claimed that now God allowed him to break the Treaty, stating the conditions were only a test of the Muslim women's faith. Once again, Muhammad has a convenient "revelation" justifying his actions [see Sura 60:10]. Once again, Muhammad puts the responsibility on God's shoulders for his sin, i.e., allowing him to break his word.
 

Loofydralb

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That is the mainstream muslim version of of the treaty of Hudaibiyah.

There is another version


The Sunan of Abu Dawud in volume 2, #2759 says:


"....Thereafter some believing women who were immigrants came. (Allah sent down: O ye who believe when believing women come to you as emigrants). Allah most high forbade them to send them back, but ordered them to restore the dower."



Muhammad claimed that now God allowed him to break the Treaty, stating the conditions were only a test of the Muslim women's faith. Once again, Muhammad has a convenient "revelation" justifying his actions [see Sura 60:10]. Once again, Muhammad puts the responsibility on God's shoulders for his sin, i.e., allowing him to break his word.
Wrong again. Part of the treaty addresses those from mecca who accept Islam but without their guardian's permission go to madinah.
The treaty requires them to return to mecca. That part of the treaty was upheld.
 
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