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[Kid278]

Above is your very first post for easy reference in response to forummer Commoner. You might want to revisit it. Looks like you completely forgot where you started and now find yourself in a bind and now call it an "opinion"

As Kingrant was the first to highlight that prostitution is not illegal, how does that gel with your position. Why don't you check with Kingrant what both your positions are rather than assume that they are same. Obviously you can't proof anything that is not true.

Like I said, I am merely pointing something that is untrue. Nothing subjective about it. Don't worry about my conduct, manner, sarcasm, abrasiveness etc. Thats not the issue.

Like I've said before there'll always be difference in opinion, I had no wish to challenge yours. On papers they are saying prostitution is not an offence but in real life requiring a permit/ licence, both gals and OKTs is a fact. I read that as legalizing. I dont assume, Kingrant pointed out that prostitution is not legalized, it's just not illegal but regulated, there's a difference and I concurred. As far as I'm concerned there's nothing untrue I've said.

 

[Hawkeye1819]

Yellow pages used to be filled with what you term "mid tier" circuits, most of them actually were more toward lower tier as about half of the listings were generated by the same two or three establishments touting Philippino escorts.

Some of the "mid-tier" rings have made a good presence on the internet but lack credibility as yet as most don't have an office space. There is one estab that is highly credible amongst both local and foreign clientel, has a permanent office space near Somerset and surprisingly not expensive. Photo gallery readily available if you visit premises unlike some new estabs on the internet that want a deposit of $2000 upfront before they let you in on the view.

When toa payoh brothel ran stories about how F1 will boost escorting, they were only talking about the mid to lower tiers. Apparently they are not aware of the top tiers as well or choose not to report ......

I suspect that these chaps are not aware of those that operate at the top tier. These are Singapore girls and foreign girls who are independent and have cultivated business by word of mouth. For credit card transactions they use select businesses to put thru charges. These are the girls that keep the high end of town and the captains of industry well oiled. These are the girls that are found in Japanese Clubs meant only for Japanese clients. These girls are also better educated and will not use a pimp or associate themselves with any place of assignation. In the old days, River Valley was their favourite location.

Then you have the mid tier Mamasans and local high end niteclub circuits that keeps that towkays and their Ah beng sons well oiled.

Then we have the red light districts, Geylang to Desker Road for the rest of the world and the massage parlours.

AV and Police only touch the last tier. Watching the brothelkeepers, the massage parlours, and keeping the OKTs and the streetwalkers on their toes

 

[scroobal]

I think the statement from the Minister that prostitution is not illegal should settle it.

On papers they are saying prostitution is not an offence but in real life requiring a permit/ licence, both gals and OKTs is a fact. I read that as legalizing.

 

[Frankiestine]

I think the licensing is not really to "legalize" prostitution per se but to put in some measure of check and control with regards to the spread of STD/HIV....

As they have always adopted a "If you can't beat it join it" approach towards this area..ie early 80s it was the invasion of Thai pros, hence fishbowl type was set up to meet the needs for this area and then you have of late the invasion of PRC pros....similarly they decided to extend the "yellow card" to them which was traditionally only allowed for M'sian and Thai girls...

 

[scroobal]

I think you are talking about "High Society". There are quite a number. Its interesting how these things factor into the business decision cycles when it comes to investment etc.

There is one estab that is highly credible amongst both local and foreign clientel, has a permanent office space near Somerset and surprisingly not expensive. ..............When toa payoh brothel ran stories about how F1 will boost escorting, they were only talking about the mid to lower tiers. Apparently they are not aware of the top tiers as well or choose not to report ......

 

[Frankiestine]

High society, remind us of certain royalties who used to fly in just to turn certain level at the defunct Marco Polo Hotel into their own private playground for their orgy sessions...

 

[breakingfree]

Like I've said before there'll always be difference in opinion, I had no wish to challenge yours. On papers they are saying prostitution is not an offence but in real life requiring a permit/ licence, both gals and OKTs is a fact. I read that as legalizing. I dont assume, Kingrant pointed out that prostitution is not legalized, it's just not illegal but regulated, there's a difference and I concurred. As far as I'm concerned there's nothing untrue I've said.

Bro, Scroobal is correct.

The singapore gal ICE most likely caught by police due to other reasons.(She is not charged under illegal pro right? and high chance she toe she is). Most likely she was a frequent visitor to the police station and the police decided the best way for her and the police is by keeping track of her movement by offering her a brothel to work.

 

[Glaringly]

I kind of see that both side have their legitimate view that prostitution is legal or illegal depending on how it is argued.

The intriguing question is, how can one be a prostitute without infringing the law if she did not register in a legal whore house with designated place of business? And it is illegal to solicit in public, then how would she obtain her client without making it illegal? And if she is caught with the panties down and her client insist it is a agree transaction, will she be prosecute as a unregister prostitute?

 

[scroobal]

Prostitution is not illegal. Screwing one is therefore not illegal. They solicit clients by visiting designated drinking holes in places like Orchard Rd, paramount hotel, duxton, tanjong pagar etc. Then there are those work as escorts, then you have an online profile. The most lucrative like all good business is referral by clients and not forgetting repeat business. Soliciting rules are to prevent streetwalkers trading their service in such places as the front of the Istana, tourist spots etc and making a nuisance of themselves and embarrassing families and young kids.

No one has ever been charged for being a prostitute or for being a john as there are no such laws. Soliciting in public places yes.

Pimping and operating a brothel without licence is illegal.

I kind of see that both side have their legitimate view that prostitution is legal or illegal depending on how it is argued.

The intriguing question is, how can one be a prostitute without infringing the law if she did not register in a legal whore house with designated place of business? And it is illegal to solicit in public, then how would she obtain her client without making it illegal? And if she is caught with the panties down and her client insist it is a agree transaction, will she be prosecute as a unregister prostitute?

 

[Glaringly]

So what you are saying is soliciting in hotel or drinking hole is fully legitimate?

Isn't this is considered public places.

 

[SneeringTree]

Is it illegal to pay someone for sex in Singapore? The simple answer is "No". Prostitution is not illegal.

SOLICITING for sex is illegal though but that's not the least bit the same as saying prostitution is illegal.

Here's a simple analogy, selling sambal stingray at Newton Circus is not illegal, touting in order to sell sambal stingray is illegal.

 

[FuckSamLeong]

I've yet to hear or read of Police sting operations to catch solicitation by upperwhore class in all my years.

 

[SneeringTree]

So what you are saying is soliciting in hotel or drinking hole is fully legitimate?

Isn't this is considered public places.

Technically, if the anti vice squad has nothing better to do and put undercovers in certain pubs, they can arrest some of the waitresses or female clients for solicitation for sex.

Even for those China street walkers in Geylang, they are seldom if ever arrested fro solicitation (unless it is *proven* that they are actually doing so). MOstly they are charged with loitering, having invalid visas, etc.

 

[scroobal]

Any place where the public has access according to the interpretation of Miscellaneous Offences Act is a public place. It therefore includes hotels, bars, KTVs etc. Soliciting is more associated with nuisance. Nobody is going complain if sexy ladies solicit in such places. I am sure people go there not to read passages from the bible. Ladies and men of the night also in such locations tend to flow with the crowd.

The Minister already said that it is not illegal in Singapore.

So what you are saying is soliciting in hotel or drinking hole is fully legitimate?

Isn't this is considered public places.

 

[scroobal]

Bro, you are making me hungry. Time to shut down and have supper.

Here's a simple analogy, selling sambal stingray at Newton Circus is not illegal, touting in order to sell sambal stingray is illegal.

 

[Glaringly]

I see. Some laws are meant to be vaguely interpreted depending on who you are. I am sure if prominent opposition is caught with their pants down, and if necessary will bear the full brunt of whatever it deems fit by the ruling government.

 

[SneeringTree]

I see. Some laws are meant to be vaguely interpreted depending on who you are. I am sure if prominent opposition is caught with their pants down, and if necessary will bear the full brunt of whatever it deems fit by the ruling government.

Actually it is not so much as vaguely interpreted as not actively enforced. I am sure that the anti vice know the going-ons at Orcahrd Towers (to list the most infamous), but seriously, why would anyone waste their time?

 

[Glaringly]

I can see that. Not discounting local single from fulfilling their urge. When they ( the government ), importing the FTs by the million, there's need to be an outlet for them and therefore cannot be strictly policing.

 

[scroobal]

The soliticiting is for prostitutes not for patronising a prostitute.

There are no laws for patronising a prostitute in private, public or anywhere else. That particular law was inherited from the british wholesale with no amendments. Except for the Press blowing it up, prominent or otherwise, politician or otherwise, there is no fear patronising a prostitute, pants up or down.

Part of the reason why we end up with such urban myths is fear factor inculcated in singaporeans. Singaporeans generally assume under such conditioning that any immoral activities or those associated with vice automatically becomes illegal.

Note, despite the length of this thread and explanation, the pants down fear is still apparent.

I will give you an example. 3 undergrads asked for direction to a certain building at NUS. I pointed out the bldg but the path leading to that building took a circuitous route typical of singapore town planning. They took the path. I called them back and asked isn't it easier to cut across the field and to save time and effort. They were speechless. I told them that I see foreigners especially ang mos undergrads and academic staff cut across but not locals. I told them there is no law or restrictions. One guy said "cool" and they took to the field, suddenly cheerful and obviously a paradigm shift for them.

Guess what, I was just like that until I decided to off autopilot.

I see. Some laws are meant to be vaguely interpreted depending on who you are. I am sure if prominent opposition is caught with their pants down, and if necessary will bear the full brunt of whatever it deems fit by the ruling government.

 

[Glaringly]

The soliticiting is for prostitutes not for patronising a prostitute.

Part of the reason why we end up with such urban myths is fear factor inculcated in singaporeans. Singaporeans generally assume under such conditioning that any immoral activities or those associated with vice automatically becomes illegal.

I will give you an example. 3 undergrads asked for direction to a certain building at NUS. I pointed out the bldg but the path leading to that building took a circuitous route typical of singapore town planning. They took the path. I called them back and asked isn't it easier to cut across the field and to save time and effort. They were speechless. I told them that I see foreigners especially ang mos undergrads and academic staff cut across but not locals. I told them there is no law or restrictions. One guy said "cool" and they took to the field, suddenly cheerful and obviously a paradigm shift for them.

I knew that part about soliciting is for prostitute only not client. Agreed very much with you on the fear factor, can't blame the local folks, after all the state times have been bashing hard on offenders without telling the whole truth, only the astute observer and the well read folks knew.

About the short cut, I would very much like to respect the planner unless the path is way off for my time and effort permits.

Interesting for a clear offense, I for one regularly float the Jay walking rule, not so much for the time but not wanting to look like a law abiding idiot.