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Tension in the Korean Peninsular, reasons and solutions

sukhoi-30

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The tension in the Korean Peninsular is a Gunboat diplomacy of sorts. North Korea,South Korea and the US are all players of this gunboat diplomacy. The arrival of the US carrier Washington for a massive naval exercise with South Korean Navy is a political exercise to show North Korea that the US stands by South Korea, to show US military supremancy and indirectly to show China, US displeasure for Beijing's continuous strong support for North Korea.

One thing for sure is that the US carrier and the planned naval exercises will etched up the tension in the Korean peninsular by several notches. After President Lee Myung-Bak becomes the president, he abandoned many of the the previous Presidents' Sunshine Policies and initiated a very hardline stance against the North which included even closer military ties with the US (which included conducting numerous and massive war games in the disputed seas with North Korea). President Lee also suggest the resumption of placing giant loudspeakers at their borders to broadcast anti-North Korean messages which the North threatened to shoot. He also allowed Christian activities to fly balloons filled with anti-Kim Jong-ill pamplets and other articles criticising the North's government and shortwave radios to the North. The North was enraged as it sees these actions as one that is directly threatening its political survival (regime change)and issued threats of military retailiations and cut off communications for the little channels still left behind.


However, it was the massive war games that rally give rise to these tensions. It was on the night of the largest anti-submarine exercise between the SKorea and US Navy (Code name Foal Eagle) that the Cheonan(one of the participant warship in the exercise) sank..South Korea together with the US and western nations concluded it was a North Korean torpedo which sank the ship. North Korea objected very angrily. China and the Russians also objected to Seoul's allegations.

It was in this Cheonan Incident that characterised the start of a never-ending rise of tension in the region. As a response to this sinking which Seoul believed the North did, President Lee ordered more series of massive naval exercises with the US very close to the North Korea sea border in a show of force. The US also intended to hold massive naval exercises in the Yellow Seas together with the South with its nuclear carriers,new missiles and warplanes in additional to warships and submarines. It was only until China's shrill objections that the exercises involving its aircraft carriers were moved to another locations but the naval exercises continues. China responded with long-range missiles on its own in the coastal regions facing the US-South Korean exercises. This tit-for tat military exercises further escalated tensions in the region.

Like the Cheonan Incident, it was in the midst of a massive South Korean naval exercises held next to the disputed sea borders with North Korea that North Korea fired its artillery at the south island of Yeongpyeong in the the afternoon of 23th November 2010. sThe South Korea military confirmed that the North has given warnings several times against the exercises and concluded the artillery attacks were in response to this exercises. It was the first time in 60 years after the Korean war that the North have attacked a South Korean territories with military and civilian casualties.

This attack by the North alarmed the international community. Many western commentators who previously dismissed Pyongyang rhetoric of war as empty threats were stunned by the North's ferocious attacks. But the most surprise came from the South military who was unprepared and have no idea of the North's extreme reactions. As a result, the South Korean Minister of Defence resigned. Immediately after this attacks, the US and South Korea confirmed another massive naval exercises in the coming weeks amid a stern warning from Pyongyang that this will bring the region to the "brink of war'.China also voiced stern opposition to the planned US-South Korean naval exercises.

As such, the war drums continued to beat in the coming weeks and months as all sides uses military force to consolidate their points. The pending arrival of the US carrier group was met by live artillery exercises by the North two days after the incident. Furthermore, China will probably responded to this US show of might by carrying out its own massive naval exercises. Far from ignoring the North as many suggested, the Chinese seems to see things in a different light. China seems determined to stand by North Korea as she sees the US threatening her own national political and economic security.This was made worse by the US support of Japan in the recent Senkaku/Diaoyutai islands, US support to Vietnam & India and her opposition to Chinese claims in the South China seas and looming currency wars between the two powers. Beijing sees the rise of tensions in the Korean peninsular not entirely the fault of North Korea alone but also the actions of the US and South Korea as well.

Thus, the world community must rethink its policy on North Korea URGENTLY. The US should look for a able strategist that could offer her new solutions that sees beyong the standard textbook political theories as far as North Korea is concerned. The US have run out of options. For North Korea, it is not just simple a "communist madman" as western political commentators like to protray. North Korea's behavior have to do with many reasons and angles that include the Confucianist (intermixed with its own communistic culture, its ethnic and nationalist pride and her own survival as a nation. The use of Gunboat diplomacy by all parties will only aggravate the tense situation and the possibility of a war breaking is not as remote as previously thought.
 

neddy

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Furthermore, China will probably responded to this US show of might by carrying out its own massive naval exercises. Far from ignoring the North as many suggested, the Chinese seems to see things in a different light. China seems determined to stand by North Korea as she sees the US threatening her own national political and economic security.This was made worse by the US support of Japan in the recent Senkaku/Diaoyutai islands, US support to Vietnam & India and her opposition to Chinese claims in the South China seas and looming currency wars between the two powers. Beijing sees the rise of tensions in the Korean peninsular not entirely the fault of North Korea alone but also the actions of the US and South Korea as well.
As long as USA sell arms to Taiwan, the China will never consider US as a friend. South Korea is too close to US, so is Japan and its nationalist foreign minister.

So, NKorea will always find a friend in China. See the VIP treatment of Kim in China not too long ago. The message is just too clear.
 

Sideswipe

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CCP is forever lacking foresight to find the best benefits for China in the Korean issue, that is by abandoning North Korea.

60 years ago in 1951 if PRC was willing to seek a peaceful end to the Korean war, their reward would be a United Nations seat. They refused because they wanted the Chinese POWs completely repatriated to China but Truman decided to adopt the Geneva Convention of repatriation on voluntary basis.

Korean War ended in a ceasefire in 1953. 75% of Chinese POWs went to Taiwan voluntarily. PRC didn't got what they insisted, 2 more years of fighting just for "saving face". PRC got shut out from United Nations for a further twenty years.
 
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cheowyonglee

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if communist china can fake history, can fake their anti jap war history for their power, to brainwash their people, what else they cannot do???

now they are just waiting for the time.once their U.S military techonogy copying is all done, they can doing anything!!!

look why Communist china is soo evil...

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GoldenDragon

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The tension in the Korean Peninsular is a Gunboat diplomacy of sorts. North Korea,South Korea and the US are all players of this gunboat diplomacy. The arrival of the US carrier Washington for a massive naval exercise with South Korean Navy is a political exercise to show North Korea that the US stands by South Korea, to show US military supremancy and indirectly to show China, US displeasure for Beijing's continuous strong support for North Korea.

One thing for sure is that the US carrier and the planned naval exercises will etched up the tension in the Korean peninsular by several notches. After President Lee Myung-Bak becomes the president, he abandoned many of the the previous Presidents' Sunshine Policies and initiated a very hardline stance against the North which included even closer military ties with the US (which included conducting numerous and massive war games in the disputed seas with North Korea). President Lee also suggest the resumption of placing giant loudspeakers at their borders to broadcast anti-North Korean messages which the North threatened to shoot. He also allowed Christian activities to fly balloons filled with anti-Kim Jong-ill pamplets and other articles criticising the North's government and shortwave radios to the North. The North was enraged as it sees these actions as one that is directly threatening its political survival (regime change)and issued threats of military retailiations and cut off communications for the little channels still left behind.


However, it was the massive war games that rally give rise to these tensions. It was on the night of the largest anti-submarine exercise between the SKorea and US Navy (Code name Foal Eagle) that the Cheonan(one of the participant warship in the exercise) sank..South Korea together with the US and western nations concluded it was a North Korean torpedo which sank the ship. North Korea objected very angrily. China and the Russians also objected to Seoul's allegations.

It was in this Cheonan Incident that characterised the start of a never-ending rise of tension in the region. As a response to this sinking which Seoul believed the North did, President Lee ordered more series of massive naval exercises with the US very close to the North Korea sea border in a show of force. The US also intended to hold massive naval exercises in the Yellow Seas together with the South with its nuclear carriers,new missiles and warplanes in additional to warships and submarines. It was only until China's shrill objections that the exercises involving its aircraft carriers were moved to another locations but the naval exercises continues. China responded with long-range missiles on its own in the coastal regions facing the US-South Korean exercises. This tit-for tat military exercises further escalated tensions in the region.

Like the Cheonan Incident, it was in the midst of a massive South Korean naval exercises held next to the disputed sea borders with North Korea that North Korea fired its artillery at the south island of Yeongpyeong in the the afternoon of 23th November 2010. sThe South Korea military confirmed that the North has given warnings several times against the exercises and concluded the artillery attacks were in response to this exercises. It was the first time in 60 years after the Korean war that the North have attacked a South Korean territories with military and civilian casualties.

This attack by the North alarmed the international community. Many western commentators who previously dismissed Pyongyang rhetoric of war as empty threats were stunned by the North's ferocious attacks. But the most surprise came from the South military who was unprepared and have no idea of the North's extreme reactions. As a result, the South Korean Minister of Defence resigned. Immediately after this attacks, the US and South Korea confirmed another massive naval exercises in the coming weeks amid a stern warning from Pyongyang that this will bring the region to the "brink of war'.China also voiced stern opposition to the planned US-South Korean naval exercises.

As such, the war drums continued to beat in the coming weeks and months as all sides uses military force to consolidate their points. The pending arrival of the US carrier group was met by live artillery exercises by the North two days after the incident. Furthermore, China will probably responded to this US show of might by carrying out its own massive naval exercises. Far from ignoring the North as many suggested, the Chinese seems to see things in a different light. China seems determined to stand by North Korea as she sees the US threatening her own national political and economic security.This was made worse by the US support of Japan in the recent Senkaku/Diaoyutai islands, US support to Vietnam & India and her opposition to Chinese claims in the South China seas and looming currency wars between the two powers. Beijing sees the rise of tensions in the Korean peninsular not entirely the fault of North Korea alone but also the actions of the US and South Korea as well.

Thus, the world community must rethink its policy on North Korea URGENTLY. The US should look for a able strategist that could offer her new solutions that sees beyong the standard textbook political theories as far as North Korea is concerned. The US have run out of options. For North Korea, it is not just simple a "communist madman" as western political commentators like to protray. North Korea's behavior have to do with many reasons and angles that include the Confucianist (intermixed with its own communistic culture, its ethnic and nationalist pride and her own survival as a nation. The use of Gunboat diplomacy by all parties will only aggravate the tense situation and the possibility of a war breaking is not as remote as previously thought.

UncleYap: If you have 1% of sukhoi-30's political acumen, that would be a miracle!
 

kensington

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China, in having NK as an intransigent and recalcitrant younger sibling is a shining example of China's lending a dagger to knife someone's back.The PRC has apparently not only failed(by design?) to restrain NK nuclear efforts, but is increasingly viewed as an enabler of North Korea's nuclear program.

NK's renewed nuclear development efforts are likely to push NK higher on the Sino-U.S. agenda while strengthening skepticism of China's willingness to cooperate in restraining its neighbor. They are playing devil's advocate and US of A of course as the world's sheriff will stick its big nose into that and to their own horror, things are not like what they were in the 50's. They are face with a ferocious animal with a long leash and armed to the teeth.

The positioning of USS George Washington and co is a stepback to gunboat diplomacy and is not going to do anybody any good because nowadays there are varieties of non-nuclear weapons to take them out just like that, clap,clap,clap...

NK is apparently a few levels above Iran in this respect. Remember, nuclear bombs are the last resort but the NK has a few of those too and so far they are the one who is calling the shot and making the dare...
 

halsey02

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CCP is forever lacking foresight to find the best benefits for China in the Korean issue, that is by abandoning North Korea.

60 years ago in 1951 if PRC was willing to seek a peaceful end to the Korean war, their reward would be a United Nations seat. They refused because they wanted the Chinese POWs completely repatriated to China but Truman decided to adopt the Geneva Convention of repatriation on voluntary basis.

Korean War ended in a ceasefire in 1953. 75% of Chinese POWs went to Taiwan voluntarily. PRC didn't got what they insisted, 2 more years of fighting just for "saving face". PRC got shut out from United Nations for a further twenty years.

How do you expect the Chinese to view a peaceful solution, when at that time, Gen Douglas MacArthur...wanted to NUKE China. The ill feeling continues today.

The US is once again stocking the embers of ill-feeling in that part of the world, Taiwan, Korea, Japan & PRC; two 'brothers' who do not see eye to eye. Three of the countries have one common 'enemy' Japan, United States have their hand, foot & mouth in three, it is a tinderbox...waiting to explode.
 

wahlaneh

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wahlaneh...
can someone kindly give us a historical rundown of how the korean war came about? maybe we can get a clearer picture.
 

Sideswipe

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How do you expect the Chinese to view a peaceful solution, when at that time, Gen Douglas MacArthur...wanted to NUKE China. The ill feeling continues today.

The US is once again stocking the embers of ill-feeling in that part of the world, Taiwan, Korea, Japan & PRC; two 'brothers' who do not see eye to eye. Three of the countries have one common 'enemy' Japan, United States have their hand, foot & mouth in three, it is a tinderbox...waiting to explode.

Gen Douglas MacArthur would never be allowed to nuke China. Truman wanted a limited war all along and was restraining MacArthur military campaign in Korea. Stalin knew that. Mao should know as well unless his Master didn't tell him.

The Korean War should have ended in July 1951. Russia first proposed Peace. The armistice negotiations continued for two years. For the remainder of the Korean War, the UN Command and the PVA fought, but exchanged little territory; the stalemate held. Mao and PRC decided to fight until July 1953 just to "save face".
 

Hitler_Bush

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No rational nor reasoning can really solve problem unlike what people tried to believe or practice. The civilization had been proceeding on wrong ideals and paths which are self-deceptions. People had been fooled by nice ideas such as PEACE & LIVE, and neglected the need of ELIMINATION & SELECTION. The consequence today confirmed by top scientists is that the entire civilization plus many other forms of lives will perish as an entirety. The natural balance of creation & destruction had been upset too seriously for too long and planet is beyond repair and human population is many billions exceeding the limits which planet resources & capacity can take.

The lack of war, the lack of death of human, the over-preservation of human lives by e.g. medical science, the over-quality of human life at the huge expense of civilization's ways, had in the past centuries drawn an enormous over-draft on planet earth's natural balance & environment.

Silly ideas like PEACE, RATIONALITY, DEMOCRACY, RIGHTS, DEVELOPMENTS, PRO-LIVE etc, caused us ALL to die, and only die together beyond hope of survival. The lack of great wars in past few centuries over-populated the planet with humans, and human activities destroyed planet's environment with myopic and selfish exploitations. It is too late to stop, it is no way to undo already.

Still hoping to survive and enjoy material world and have peace etc?

KISS MY ASS!
 

Sideswipe

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wahlaneh...
can someone kindly give us a historical rundown of how the korean war came about? maybe we can get a clearer picture.

The Korean War was a sequel to the Chinese Civil War 1945-1949 and the inducement of the evil genius Stalin and Soviet Union.

In 1950, Stalin and his dogs Mao and Kim decided on a Communist Expansion plan in Asia, The first stage was taking out Taiwan and South Korea, it was a matter of which one first. Stalin was apparently tricked into deciding on South Korea by fake intelligence reports of American military presence in Taiwan. Kim was desperate to invade the South and promised Stalin that he needed just 7 days to fully conquer the Korean Peninsula. Stalin decided on South Korea in Feb/March 1950.

CCP denied they knew about Korean War in advance, Russians and North Korea both claimed Mao knew about it. In 1950, Mao shipped back North Korean ethnic divisions army back to North Korea. Russia declassified archives claimed that Stalin and Mao signed secret treaties agreements before the War - PRC will enter the War to fight alongside North Korea if the latter was losing the battle. Russia will arm the Chinese armies and gave financial assistance in return for Chinese efforts.

The Korean War started on 25 June 1950. The key to winning this war was to take out South Korea within 7 days before United Nations can intervene. Republic of Korea Army miraculously held out for 12 days before they were reinforced by McArthur's relief army. Kim II-Sung lost his only chance to conquer the Korea Peninsula in the first dozen days of the War.
 

wahlaneh

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The Korean War was a sequel to the Chinese Civil War 1945-1949 and the inducement of the evil genius Stalin and Soviet Union.

In 1950, Stalin and his dogs Mao and Kim decided on a Communist Expansion plan in Asia, The first stage was taking out Taiwan and South Korea, it was a matter of which one first. Stalin was apparently tricked into deciding on South Korea by fake intelligence reports of American military presence in Taiwan. Kim was desperate to invade the South and promised Stalin that he needed just 7 days to fully conquer the Korean Peninsula. Stalin decided on South Korea in Feb/March 1950.

CCP denied they knew about Korean War in advance, Russians and North Korea both claimed Mao knew about it. In 1950, Mao shipped back North Korean ethnic divisions army back to North Korea. Russia declassified archives claimed that Stalin and Mao signed secret treaties agreements before the War - PRC will enter the War to fight alongside North Korea if the latter was losing the battle. Russia will arm the Chinese armies and gave financial assistance in return for Chinese efforts.

The Korean War started on 25 June 1950. The key to winning this war was to take out South Korea within 7 days before United Nations can intervene. Republic of Korea Army miraculously held out for 12 days before they were reinforced by McArthur's relief army. Kim II-Sung lost his only chance to conquer the Korea Peninsula in the first dozen days of the War.

wahlaneh...
sideswipe thank u for giving us a clearer picture.:biggrin:
but how did the korean peninsular became n.korea n s.korea?
heard something to do with the demilitary zone 38th parallel?
 

Sideswipe

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wahlaneh...
sideswipe thank u for giving us a clearer picture.:biggrin:
but how did the korean peninsular became n.korea n s.korea?
heard something to do with the demilitary zone 38th parallel?

At Cairo Conference Nov 1943, Nationalist China, United Kingdom and United States decided that "Korea shall become free and independent" American and British subsequently sold out Nationalist China and Korea in Tehran, Yalta and Potsdam.

At Yalta Conference Feb 1945, Roosevelt made major Territorial and Economic concessions in the Far East to Stalin in return for Soviet Union entering the War against Japan. Roosevelt's diplomacy at Yalta was great controversies that was the beginning of the end of Republic of China and ended Koreans hopes of a Free and Unified Korea.

Korea was divided into North and South at 38th Parallel under Soviet and USA influence. Why 38th, not 37th or 39th? That must be George Marshall telepathy understanding with the Russians. He suggested 38th Parallel on USA's side.

Why did Russia accepted 38th Parallel? During early 1900s, Russia and Japan signed secret treaties to jointly annex Korea with their dividing line at 38th Parallel. Japan then defeated Russia in a 1905 war and annex Korea by themselves. It's always the 38th Parallel for Russians.
I don't know why Russians chose that line too. :biggrin:
 

wahlaneh

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At Cairo Conference Nov 1943, Nationalist China, United Kingdom and United States decided that "Korea shall become free and independent" American and British subsequently sold out Nationalist China and Korea in Tehran, Yalta and Potsdam.

At Yalta Conference Feb 1945, Roosevelt made major Territorial and Economic concessions in the Far East to Stalin in return for Soviet Union entering the War against Japan. Roosevelt's diplomacy at Yalta was great controversies that was the beginning of the end of Republic of China and ended Koreans hopes of a Free and Unified Korea.

Korea was divided into North and South at 38th Parallel under Soviet and USA influence. Why 38th, not 37th or 39th? That must be George Marshall telepathy understanding with the Russians. He suggested 38th Parallel on USA's side.

Why did Russia accepted 38th Parallel? During early 1900s, Russia and Japan signed secret treaties to jointly annex Korea with their dividing line at 38th Parallel. Japan then defeated Russia in a 1905 war and annex Korea by themselves. It's always the 38th Parallel for Russians.
I don't know why Russians chose that line too. :biggrin:

wahlaneh...
thanks again for unearthing historical facts n figures.:biggrin:
i understand from my tour guide in s.korea when i was holidaying there that there is no such visible line as para 38 but everytime both sides near or cross that line both sides get very excited.
even their so-called parliament office table is placed exactly where that invisible line is.:biggrin:
 

ChemWarHead

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No rational nor reasoning can really solve problem unlike what people tried to believe or practice. The civilization had been proceeding on wrong ideals and paths which are self-deceptions. People had been fooled by nice ideas such as PEACE & LIVE, and neglected the need of ELIMINATION & SELECTION. The consequence today confirmed by top scientists is that the entire civilization plus many other forms of lives will perish as an entirety. The natural balance of creation & destruction had been upset too seriously for too long and planet is beyond repair and human population is many billions exceeding the limits which planet resources & capacity can take.

The lack of war, the lack of death of human, the over-preservation of human lives by e.g. medical science, the over-quality of human life at the huge expense of civilization's ways, had in the past centuries drawn an enormous over-draft on planet earth's natural balance & environment.

Silly ideas like PEACE, RATIONALITY, DEMOCRACY, RIGHTS, DEVELOPMENTS, PRO-LIVE etc, caused us ALL to die, and only die together beyond hope of survival. The lack of great wars in past few centuries over-populated the planet with humans, and human activities destroyed planet's environment with myopic and selfish exploitations. It is too late to stop, it is no way to undo already.

Still hoping to survive and enjoy material world and have peace etc?

KISS MY ASS!


War means live and peace means boring. I am pro-war. We don't live forever any way why fear to fight?
 
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