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Temasek - A house of cards

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agree. we have a bunch of very malicious rumor-mongers on sbf who are spreading lies about temasek. i am refuting the misinformation and lies in my retort here:

http://singsupplies.com/showthread.php?178292-Ho-Jinx-Sets-Up-40M-Fund-to-Help-Foreigners

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Who is spreading rumours? Temasek losses in the billions $ are public record and admitted by even Lee Con You in his "its a honest mistake, lets move on" statement. Even the international community knows it happened. Don't be an ostrich with your stupid head stuck in the sand.
 

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hahaha.....there are internationally recognised CRAs (credit rating agencies) in the world......S&P, Moody's; etc..
what are their credit ratings for Temasek???? junk status????
but then again u will claim that u know more than them...u are the bestest lol.

Truly, the fucktard speaks. Were u beaten as a child and suffered brain damage? U think S & P and Moody's are god? Always give independent valid credit ratings? If you do than you are worse than a gullible cock sucker. You don't even know that they are being sued for rating subprime debt investment quality and consequently, causing the failure of many banks and the subprime mortgage crisis. Why don't u read and learn something.

NEW YORK (Reuters) - The liquidators of two Bear Stearns hedge funds filed a lawsuit on Monday against the three major U.S. rating agencies, accusing them of fraudulently assigning inflated ratings to securities in the run-up to the financial crisis.

The lawsuit seeks to recover damages from Moody's Investors Service, Standard & Poor's and Fitch Ratings in connection with more than $1 billion in losses sustained by the hedge funds.

The complaint, which was filed in New York state court in Manhattan, cites messages and emails by employees of the ratings agencies to help build a case that the agencies misrepresented their independence and objectivity.

"It could be structured by cows and we would rate it," the 141-page lawsuit quotes an S&P employee as messaging a colleague.

Some of the same emails were cited in a civil fraud lawsuit brought by the Justice Department against S&P earlier this year. Fitch and Moody's were not named in that lawsuit.

The latest case was brought by the liquidators of Bear Stearns High-Grade Structured Credit Strategies (Overseas) Ltd and Bear Stearns High-Grade Structured Credit Strategies Enhanced Leverage (Overseas) Ltd.

All three rating agencies said in statements that the allegations were "without merit."




The liquidators filed a summons in the case in July, after a federal judge in California signaled that he would allow the U.S. Justice Department to pursue its $5 billion lawsuit against S&P.

The losses cited in Monday's lawsuit were tied to funds managed by former Bear Stearns managers Ralph Cioffi and Matthew Tannin, who were acquitted in 2009 of federal criminal charges that they misled investors. Last year, the men agreed to pay about $1 million to settle a related U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission civil case.

S&P is owned by McGraw Hill Financial Inc , Moody's Investors is owned by Moody's Corp , and Fitch is owned by Fimalac .

The case is Varga et al v. McGraw Hill Financial Inc et al, New York State Supreme Court, New York County, No. 652410/2013
 
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hahaha.....there are internationally recognised CRAs (credit rating agencies) in the world......S&P, Moody's; etc..
what are their credit ratings for Temasek???? junk status????
but then again u will claim that u know more than them...u are the bestest lol.

Read and learn somemore, retard. Retard, u still think S & P and Moodys so good, ah? They getting sued for $5 billion by Uncle Sam. They themselves have been downgraded. hahaha. u are so gullible. Gay Loong tell u his cum taste like honey, you will swallow it, right?

U.S. government slams S&P with $5 billion fraud lawsuit


(Reuters) - The government is seeking $5 billion in its civil lawsuit against Standard & Poor's, accusing the ratings service of defrauding investors, in one of the most ambitious cases yet from the Justice Department over conduct tied to the financial crisis.

The United States said S&P inflated ratings and understated risks associated with mortgage securities, driven by a desire to gain more business from the investment banks that issued those securities. S&P committed fraud by falsely claiming its ratings were objective, the lawsuit said.

"Put simply, this alleged conduct is egregious - and it goes to the very heart of the recent financial crisis," said Attorney General Eric Holder at a news conference in Washington announcing the charges.

The 119-page lawsuit, filed late Monday in federal court in Los Angeles, is the first from the government against a ratings agency, a sector that has generally shielded itself from liability by citing First Amendment protection of free speech.

Sixteen states and the District of Columbia are also suing S&P, a unit of the McGraw-Hill Companies Inc. McGraw-Hill shares fell as much as 8.9 percent on Tuesday, after dropping 13.8 percent on Monday.

No individuals were charged in the DOJ's lawsuit, and it was not immediately clear why the government focused on S&P instead of rivals Moody's Corp or Fimalac SA's Fitch Ratings, which were also major raters of such securities.

The 2007-2009 financial crisis was due in large part to massive losses triggered by risky mortgage loans packaged and sold to investors, often with top ratings from credit raters.

S&P issued a statement on Tuesday saying the lawsuit is meritless and that it will vigorously defend itself. It said the government "cherry picked" emails to misconstrue analyst activity.

"Claims that we deliberately kept ratings high when we knew they should be lower are simply not true," the company said.

Senator Carl Levin, who led a year-long inquiry into the causes of the financial crisis and singled out credit raters for blame, said in a statement the public was "eagerly awaiting" legal actions tied to the financial crisis.

"The credit rating agencies have yet to acknowledge any blame or make the changes necessary to prevent conflicts of interest from fueling more inflated ratings in the future," the Democrat from Michigan said.

YEARS-LONG BATTLE

A source close to S&P said the firm expected a years-long battle with the government over the lawsuit. Settlement talks recently collapsed, the source said, after the government sought a penalty of over $1 billion and admissions of wrongdoing, which would exposed the firm to outside liability.

"There was no fraud," S&P lawyer Floyd Abrams said on CNBC Tuesday morning. "The ratings that were issued were believed by the people who issued them. And that's what the government has got to disprove."

Between September 2004 and October 2007, as stress in the housing market was starting to emerge, S&P delayed updates to its ratings criteria and analytical models, which weakened its criteria beyond what analysts believed was needed to make them more accurate, the Justice Department said.

During that period, according to the complaint, S&P issued credit ratings on $2.8 trillion worth of mortgage securities and some $1.2 trillion in related structured products.

It charged up to $750,000 per deal it rated, which meant that S&P viewed the investment banks that issued the securities as its main customers, according to the complaint.

In August 2004, the head of S&P's commercial mortgage-backed securities sent an email to her colleagues and said they planned to meet to discuss adjusting criteria "because of the ongoing threat of losing deals."

Earlier in May, an analyst wrote, "We just lost a huge Mizuho RMBS deal to Moody's due to a huge difference in the required credit support level ... our support level was at least 10% higher than Moody's," the complaint said.

S&P had planned in 2004 to update its model for rating mortgage securities by including a broader data set of past loans, which would provide more accurate comparisons for the more risky loans that were being packaged.

In 2006, S&P loosened assumptions on its ratings of collateralized debt obligations, which one of the firm's analysts described as creating a loophole big enough to drive a Mack truck through.

Asked who came up with the idea, the analyst referred to a couple of colleagues and said: "I am interested to see if any career consequences occur. Does company care about deal volume or sound credit standards?"

By July 5, 2007, as the credit crisis began taking hold, a new S&P structured finance analyst told an investment banking client: "The fact is, there was a lot of internal pressure in S&P to downgrade lots of deals earlier on before this thing started blowing up. But the leadership was concerned of p*ssing off too many clients and jumping the gun ahead of Fitch and Moody's."
 

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You'll be surprised how fucking audacious she is!

In 2004 when her husband was about to assume the premiership, the bitch invited Quek Leng Chan (vendor of Dao Heng Bank to DBS) to Temasek Club Chinese restaurant for dinner and negotiated with QLC to employ her useless younger brother H Seng as the CEO of Hong Leong Credit in KL.

Initial monthly salary was agreed at S$40,000 plus a chauffer driven Mercedes and a bungalow. Eventually the offer was not taken up because H Seng's wife couldn't live with the traffic congestion in KL.

Arsehole Seng is now working as a GM of QLC's Guocoland based in Singapore.

If the brazen bitch is so shameless, daring and reckless, can you believe that she was not rewarded for all those multi-billion Dollar loss making deals?

Wah, your info is damn good.
 

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The dumb and the ignorant criticise the Singapore govt at their own peril. They don't realise that Singapore has ZERO natural resources and that the country had to be built from scratch by LKY and his team.

Pretty much EVERYTHING that you see around you on that magnificent island is the result of the astute policies of the PAP. Without them, Singapore would be a backwater today.

Well, if SIngapore has no natural resources than, than its even more important that Temasek cannot even lose $1 million, much less the documented billions $ that they lost. Unlike Norway, which can always pump more oil to make for any investment losses in its portfolio, we cannot do so. SO, how can it be astute that Temasek can lose all those billions $ when even you admit that we have no natural resource? Do you know the definition of astute or not? Stupid.
 

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And did you? Did you buy Apple at $5 a share? Google when it was still $120? FB when it traded down to $30?

If you didn't you have no right to judge others. Hindsight is 20/20.


Fucking stooge finally showing your tail.
Every SG citizen has the right to judge as this is public funds....
Also she gave herself the job and draw a multi million dollar salary....so she must be answerable.
 

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SO, how can it be astute that Temasek can lose all those billions $ when even you admit that we have no natural resource? Do you know the definition of astute or not? Stupid.

Temasek may have lost money on a handful of ventures but it has made even more money with its successful forays.

Take a look at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temasek_Review_(Annual_Report) You will see that Temasek makes BILLIONS annually.

Even the most astute investors can make mistakes once in a while. For example, Warren Buffet lost huge amounts on Conoco Phillips, US Air, Dexter Shoes and many other less high profile ventures.
 

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Temasek may have lost money on a handful of ventures but it has made even more money with its successful forays.

Take a look at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temasek_Review_(Annual_Report) You will see that Temasek makes BILLIONS annually.

Even the most astute investors can make mistakes once in a while. For example, Warren Buffet lost huge amounts on Conoco Phillips, US Air, Dexter Shoes and many other less high profile ventures.

Then why the need for secrecy?
Who knows if Temasek is making any profits? Our CPF money is channeled to boost the bottom line.
 

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Temasek may have lost money on a handful of ventures but it has made even more money with its successful forays.

Take a look at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temasek_Review_(Annual_Report) You will see that Temasek makes BILLIONS annually.

Even the most astute investors can make mistakes once in a while. For example, Warren Buffet lost huge amounts on Conoco Phillips, US Air, Dexter Shoes and many other less high profile ventures.

Then why still so secretive about the accounts?
 

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Then why still so secretive about the accounts?

It cannot reveal too much because it does not want to lose its competitive advantage. Coke doesn't share its formula with other soft drink manufacturers either.
 

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And did you? Did you buy Apple at $5 a share? Google when it was still $120? FB when it traded down to $30?

If you didn't you have no right to judge others. Hindsight is 20/20.

You don't need to buy at the lowest level to reap a profit. Buying APPL at $200 or Google at $500 would rip enormous profits.
 

Leongsam

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Another Warren Buffet flop - Energy Future Holdings Corp.

This doesn't alter the fact that Warren Buffet is on top of his game and Temasek's losses are no different. If you look at the bigger picture and the track record of Ho Ching, you'll find she's in the same league when it comes to making a killing.
 

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oh please. at least that is his own $$ and he got balls to admit it.

pray tell how you make a killing out of buying a negative equity like olam?
 
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Leongsam

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oh please. at least that is his own $$ and he got balls to admit it.

pray tell how you make a killing out of buying a negative equity like olam?

Warren Buffet does not play with his own money. He uses money owned by Berkshire Hathaway which has assets of 500 billion.

Olam is a long term investment. I have full confidence that Ho Ching knows what she's doing. She has proven herself time and time again.
 

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It cannot reveal too much because it does not want to lose its competitive advantage. Coke doesn't share its formula with other soft drink manufacturers either.

Moronic statement like the above
Shows what a TWIT you can be made to look
When in Lightning troll mode

Coke does not reveal its formula
True but its accounts are there for all to see
Just like if I were a fund manager
Me wouldn't tell you exactly how I knew
Galaxy stock code 27 will drop
Netting me 100 percent in a few days

But I would have to reveal fund's accounts
Not just on a regular basis
In compliance with GAAP so no hanky panky
Cos it's other people's money
 

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It cannot reveal too much because it does not want to lose its competitive advantage. Coke doesn't share its formula with other soft drink manufacturers either.

Competitive advantage my foot. The only competitive advantage Temasek has is that it gets cheap money. Warren Buffet does not have to hide what he does. And when he makes a mistake he says so, no excuses. Temasek may well be doing brilliantly but frankly I doubt we are smarter than the best minds in the US. If we say we have been doing better than all of them I am skeptical unless I can see it for myself.
 

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Warren Buffet does not play with his own money. He uses money owned by Berkshire Hathaway which has assets of 500 billion.

Olam is a long term investment. I have full confidence that Ho Ching knows what she's doing. She has proven herself time and time again.

More shit spewing out of your mouth by the minute. Buffet is a major shareholder of Berkshire Hathaway and controls over 30% of the voting stocks. when BK loses money, it hurts him directly in the pocket. When Whore Jinx loses Temasek money, she fucks care because she collects over $20 million in compensation.

Warren Buffett just filed an update with SEC regarding to the Berkshire shares he owns. As of July 1, 2009, Warren Buffett owns directly and beneficially 350,000 shares of Class A and 1,501,532 shares of Class B common stocks, which are 33.10% of the outstanding shares of Class A Common Stock, and 10.12% of the outstanding shares of Class B Common Stock, respectively. Buffett has 31.60% of the aggregate voting power of the outstanding shares of Class A Common Stock and Class B Common Stock, and 25.78% of the economic interest of the outstanding shares of Class A Common Stock and Class B Common Stock.
 

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Who is spreading rumours? Temasek losses in the billions $ are public record and admitted by even Lee Con You in his "its a honest mistake, lets move on" statement. Even the international community knows it happened. Don't be an ostrich with your stupid head stuck in the sand.

you just affirmed its transparency. because it is so transparent as confirmed by you and perfect scores on the linaburg maduell transparency index, temasek has nothing to hide. it's a private company but it publishes a comprehensive annual report on all its investments and returns. and it shows losses and gains. there's nothing wrong with taking risks and suffering losses, but most importantly, it enjoys sufficient gains overall to produce net cash increases. temasek does not need to be apologetic if some of their investments go bust. it's part and parcel of taking risks, broadening the portfolio, and making daring forays in global investment opportunities. :biggrin:
 
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