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Stroke Heng spent 3 years of his life fighting hard for this CECA deal.

zeddy

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"In 2010, at the time when India and Singapore were reviewing CECA, India told Singapore that allowing immediate free movement of skilled people and substantially higher investment in India’s capital markets are essential for the survival of CECA with Singapore. This was reported by Indian media Financial Express on 26 May 2010.

India was unhappy over the pace of the opening up of services and capital investment, despite five years of operation of the agreement.

At the time, Financial Express quoted a commerce ministry official saying there would be many Indian doctors, architects, engineers and nurses wanting to go to Singapore to work.

“The CECA between India and Singapore was signed in August 2005. According to the agreement in services, the two countries agreed to allow free movement of IT professionals, chartered accountants, architects, engineers and doctors,” Financial Express reported.

And subsequently in 2013, Indian media Business Standard reported that changes to the Employment Pass Framework law by Singapore irked India as the new law does not give India a preferential treatment incorporated in the Comprehensive Economic Partnership Agreement (CECA) between the two countries, operational since 2005.

“This stance by the Singapore Government is expected to affect Indians working as middle-level managers, executives and technicians.” Business Standard reported.

“Speculations are rife that India might take up the issue with World Trade Organization’s (WTO) dispute settlement body. However, according to Singapore such a decision was imperative in the interest of the natives as the share of the foreign workforce is rising very rapidly.”

Business Standard reported that Indian officials involved in the negotiations said that this is a violation of the services trade agreement under CECA. This will also adversely affect Indians who are working there as it might lead to job losses, especially for the middle level workers.

According to the media outlet, India submitted a request to Singapore for addressing the matter but has not received a formal communication yet.

As of the time of report, there were about 200,000 non-resident Indians in Singapore working in ITES, financial services and scientific research sectors among others, according to one estimate."

Source - The Online Citizen.
 

laksaboy

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This was the brainchild of Loong, and I suspect his butchy wife, soon after he had ascended the throne in 2004.

Don't get distracted by what Mr East Coast Plan did or did not do, even as he is undoubtedly the designated scapegoat now.
 

LordElrond

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Clearly, these MIW has totally misread the market. Why do we even need accountants from India you gotta be kidding me. The nehs are suitable for running backoffice outsourcing type of services, not CFOs. Architects, engineers? I think they are more suited to be “hands-on” like the banglas. Doctors? I would never get treatment from a neh doctor, over my dead body.
 

zeddy

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“The CECA between India and Singapore was signed in August 2005. According to the agreement in services, the two countries agreed to allow free movement of IT professionals, chartered accountants, architects, engineers and doctors,” Financial Express reported.
Ah Nehs vision of displacing Sinkies in vital jobs fast becoming a reality. They already have planeloads of IT professionals, Engineers, doctors based Singapore. Sinkies already scrapping the barrel in terms of getting good paying jobs. The future looks bleak for our future generation.
 
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zeddy

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Clearly, these MIW has totally misread the market. Why do we even need accountants from India you gotta be kidding me. The nehs are suitable for running backoffice outsourcing type of services, not CFOs. Architects, engineers? I think they are more suited to be “hands-on” like the banglas. Doctors? I would never get treatment from a neh doctor, over my dead body.
Soon Sinkie women will have horny male Ah Neh obstetricians overseeing the delivery of their babies.
 

eatshitndie

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worst is various state govs in “south asia” can suka suka enact laws and regulation to either impose out of the blue fees, taxes, and levies in the billions or seize foreign assets and investment funds without just cause. the national gov sensing opportunities to eat part or all of the pie will follow suit to tekan foreign investors. sg stands to lose all of $69b invested. that’s utterly idiotic for not sniffing out that eventuality.
 

tanwahtiu

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"In 2010, at the time when India and Singapore were reviewing CECA, India told Singapore that allowing immediate free movement of skilled people and substantially higher investment in India’s capital markets are essential for the survival of CECA with Singapore. This was reported by Indian media Financial Express on 26 May 2010.

India was unhappy over the pace of the opening up of services and capital investment, despite five years of operation of the agreement.

At the time, Financial Express quoted a commerce ministry official saying there would be many Indian doctors, architects, engineers and nurses wanting to go to Singapore to work.

“The CECA between India and Singapore was signed in August 2005. According to the agreement in services, the two countries agreed to allow free movement of IT professionals, chartered accountants, architects, engineers and doctors,” Financial Express reported.

And subsequently in 2013, Indian media Business Standard reported that changes to the Employment Pass Framework law by Singapore irked India as the new law does not give India a preferential treatment incorporated in the Comprehensive Economic Partnership Agreement (CECA) between the two countries, operational since 2005.

“This stance by the Singapore Government is expected to affect Indians working as middle-level managers, executives and technicians.” Business Standard reported.

“Speculations are rife that India might take up the issue with World Trade Organization’s (WTO) dispute settlement body. However, according to Singapore such a decision was imperative in the interest of the natives as the share of the foreign workforce is rising very rapidly.”

Business Standard reported that Indian officials involved in the negotiations said that this is a violation of the services trade agreement under CECA. This will also adversely affect Indians who are working there as it might lead to job losses, especially for the middle level workers.

According to the media outlet, India submitted a request to Singapore for addressing the matter but has not received a formal communication yet.

As of the time of report, there were about 200,000 non-resident Indians in Singapore working in ITES, financial services and scientific research sectors among others, according to one estimate."

Source - The Online Citizen.
Working hard to recruit massive tenant occupants for the residential property investment boom from 2003 onwards... fake degrees ahneh welcome to take up and steal high value high paid jobs from Singaporeans for the rent seeking economy. Condo apartments tenants need high paid jobs to rent Condo with swimming pool and gym.
 

pvtpublic

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worst is various state govs in “south asia” can suka suka enact laws and regulation to either impose out of the blue fees, taxes, and levies in the billions or seize foreign assets and investment funds without just cause. the national gov sensing opportunities to eat part or all of the pie will follow suit to tekan foreign investors. sg stands to lose all of $69b invested. that’s utterly idiotic for not sniffing out that eventuality.

they totally under estimated the political risks of dealing with the Indians. Didn't learn much from the Suzhou fiasco. this is what happens where there is no accountability in our "no fault" government.

Unfettered One party rule will spell the end of the Singapore story.
 

eatshitndie

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they totally under estimated the political risks of dealing with the Indians. Didn't learn much from the Suzhou fiasco. this is what happens where there is no accountability in our "no fault" government.

Unfettered One party rule will spell the end of the Singapore story.
the word is naiveté. they think all govs in the world follow the rule of law (like they do). well, they forget that govs can also create new and replace old laws (ironically like they do). kena fucked deep deep by own hubris. “face palm” is the sinkie phrase, and “self pwn” is the gaming phrase.
 

pvtpublic

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the word is naiveté. they think all govs in the world follow the rule of law (like they do). well, they forget that govs can also create new and replace old laws (ironically like they do). kena fucked deep deep by own hubris. “face palm” is the sinkie phrase, and “self pwn” is the gaming phrase.

Hubris. spot on.

they drank too much of their own Kool aid believing in their self proclaimed excellence LOL
 

birdie69

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With this kind of 'fighting hard', I wonder what happens when they proactively and openly act against our interests? :wink:
Fighting very hard and yet get this lopsided lousy agreement. What if not Fighting Hard enough, those agreements signed would be even worst?
 

myfoot123

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It is not Heng fighting hard, it is LHL pressurising him hard, to sign Singaporeans livelihood away to India. Of all these CECA catastrophe, you think LHL is the innocent one? Don't get us started on the Whoring Jinx too.
 

glnit

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this reactive piece from online citizen came too little too late
the feeble responses from the psp duet in the parliamentary session were pathetic to say the least
it was frustrating to see both individuals struggling to rebuke the ministerial narrative
bock would need to significantly up his game if this was the best of what psp could offer in parliament
 

JohnTan

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Thanks to Bro Swee Keat, the floodgates were not thrown open to brahmin graduates. All of Singapore and sammyboy owes Bro Swee Keat a debt of gratitude.
 

A Singaporean

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(The India-Australia CECA had about 9 rounds of negotiations between the two countries since 2011 but to little avail; the process is ongoing.

It's similar with the India-New Zealand CECA, from 2010 and after many rounds of negotiations, still no agreement on CECA.

India pulled out of RCEP, the world's largest FTA, at the last moment because many of the member countries will not accommodate India's insistence of the liberal movement of her workers across countries.)

"For Australia, one of the most politically-sensitive sticking points was *India’s desire for a more relaxed visa regime for Indian workers."*

https://www.eastasiaforum.org/2021/01/25/prospects-for-an-australia-india-trade-deal

"With their ‘zero-sum game’ mindset, Indian negotiators are almost never interested in offering concessions, but are aggressive in pursuing India’s offensive interests. *Negotiations with the European Union, Canada, New Zealand and the United States have so far failed to reach any meaningful conclusion."*


https://www.eastasiaforum.org/2021/03/08/can-an-australia-india-fta-succeed-where-rcep-failed
 

Hypocrite-The

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(The India-Australia CECA had about 9 rounds of negotiations between the two countries since 2011 but to little avail; the process is ongoing.

It's similar with the India-New Zealand CECA, from 2010 and after many rounds of negotiations, still no agreement on CECA.

India pulled out of RCEP, the world's largest FTA, at the last moment because many of the member countries will not accommodate India's insistence of the liberal movement of her workers across countries.)

"For Australia, one of the most politically-sensitive sticking points was *India’s desire for a more relaxed visa regime for Indian workers."*

https://www.eastasiaforum.org/2021/01/25/prospects-for-an-australia-india-trade-deal

"With their ‘zero-sum game’ mindset, Indian negotiators are almost never interested in offering concessions, but are aggressive in pursuing India’s offensive interests. *Negotiations with the European Union, Canada, New Zealand and the United States have so far failed to reach any meaningful conclusion."*


https://www.eastasiaforum.org/2021/03/08/can-an-australia-india-fta-succeed-where-rcep-failed
The question should b how come a country so big n powderful n have soo many world class talents keep insisting that they b allowed to work n live overseas? They cannot support their own ppl domestically?
 
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