Stop Blaming FTs for taking away your jobs

[TeeKee]

MOE education is damn lousy, yet PAP keeps boasting abt it ... juz simply look at the product of MOE schools, no wonder the rich let their kids goto international school, hey even some ministers/MPs do that ...

even americans parents don't want their kids to study with sinkies...

see how bad is it?

 

[SickSinkies]

Sinkies deserve it .

 

[seawater]

here are some more views

http://forums.fuckwarezone.com.sg/showthread.php?t=2596312

 

[seawater]

Let me be frank. The crux of the problem is you can't get a decent day's work out of the Ah Beng regardless of how much you are willing to pay these jokers. Tharman Shanmugam, LSL, Teo CH, LKY, Vivian B, etc are fully aware of the problem but find it difficult for the sake of political expedience to blurt the truth out loud. Instead they keep telling the population that FTs are vital to SG's success without elaborating. The only one remotely close to coming clean is LKY as he did with the "shooting, mugging and car-jacking" comments many years ago. I doubt the stoopid Ah Beng even remembers the comment.

The task of running my factory in SG has been made that much more difficult with the cap on FT and I have already put EDB and MOM on notice if I do not get compensation and relief in 2010, I will relocate the factory to Tanjong Pinang. Its going to be tough going forward with a significant loss in profit but it will be to my benefit in the long run as opposed to hedging my bets with the good for nothing Singaporeans.

Is only right for those who need cheap labor to go to cheap country. sg is not cheap as shown by our leader so it a pity so many so call 'bosses' got it wrong. We do not need any ah cat or ah dog investors we need the right investor who can afford to pay.

 

[jojostar]

Then pray tell how do the Japaneses, Swedes, Koreans, Canadian,... manage to compete globally These countries believe in citizens first.

Don't you think a gov't has to look after own it's citizens first? If they ignore this responsibility then why should Spore citizens have "a duty" to do NS?

If you are going to argue for an open system based on merit then abolish NS, or apply NS to foreigners. Spore gov't should not be subsidising foreigners with freebies like scholarship, housing subsidies, allowing them to cut queue,...



The jobs of running Spore should also be open to any capable Sporeans. Why should LKY & his family be allowed to fix the system? Do you really think it's good value for money them to receive all those millions $$$.

you don't have enough citizens here to do the jobs, your birth rate is 3rd lowest in world so need to import foreigners just to maintain current industrial base. even if you did have enough people the wages cannot be too high to remain competitive, else just as well put factory in china or Thailand. you got the factories here initially due to promotion as a low cost centre not as a high tech skilled centre. for unskilled factory/construction work you cannot expect high salary. locals do not have necessary skill and productivity to match western workers who can command high salaries. look at German or Japanese workers, they work long and hard, produce great products of high quality so naturally they can be paid a lot more.

as a case in point Toyota Lexus for long time was only built in japan as top of the line product it demanded the best workers to build it. a few years ago they started building it in a Canadian factory near where i grew up. that factory initially built other Toyota cars but was ranked as one of toyota's most efficient / productive plants so got the chance to build lexus. when this plant was first launched they hired university graduates to work on assembly line as factory workers. how could similar success story happen in Singapore? your low cost let mnc do anything they want model worked to build up your country but not effective anymore and you have not been able to move up the economic food chain. i think things will get a lot worse or locals in next 10 to 20 years due to china and india rise taking most of asian economic growth.

 

[seawater]

you don't have enough citizens here to do the jobs, your birth rate is 3rd lowest in world so need to import foreigners just to maintain current industrial base. even if you did have enough people the wages cannot be too high to remain competitive, else just as well put factory in china or Thailand. you got the factories here initially due to promotion as a low cost centre not as a high tech skilled centre. for unskilled factory/construction work you cannot expect high salary. locals do not have necessary skill and productivity to match western workers who can command high salaries. look at German or Japanese workers, they work long and hard, produce great products of high quality so naturally they can be paid a lot more.

as a case in point Toyota Lexus for long time was only built in japan as top of the line product it demanded the best workers to build it. a few years ago they started building it in a Canadian factory near where i grew up. that factory initially built other Toyota cars but was ranked as one of toyota's most efficient / productive plants so got the chance to build lexus. when this plant was first launched they hired university graduates to work on assembly line as factory workers. how could similar success story happen in Singapore? your low cost let mnc do anything they want model worked to build up your country but not effective anymore and you have not been able to move up the economic food chain. i think things will get a lot worse or locals in next 10 to 20 years due to china and india rise taking most of asian economic growth.

Your observation is not entirely right. For many years sg have move away from labour intensive to high value added industries like wafer fab, petrol chemical and highly automated industries. We drive away labour intensive industries like car assembly, textile, wood, metal, etc. knowing that we will not be able to compete with third world countries like india, china, vietnam, indonesia, etc where there are abundant cheap labor. The Art of War have worked because we know where our strength and weaknesses are.
The import of cheap labor now is purely to expand the economy to achieve GDP growth and at a very high price to the local because it is the wrong model since sg is a small country with very little land, labor and resources. It is doom to fail as the local will be very uncomfortable and social problems will arise. The sg sucess model of peaceful, secure, clean, efficient, etc is being slowly eroded away.
sg have built up a large foreign reserve and that is our strength and sg did the right thing with Temasek and GIC making investment overseas compete, winning and making profit to supplement its domestic economy. It is also for this reason sg set up suchow SIP in china knowing the scarce resource but unfortunately thing did not work out as planned. The financial crisis from Lehmen Brother failure is also a wakeup call that the risk is very high.
sg is now in a much better position than we started many years ago. We have come this far without flooding sg with ft. We are now taking the wrong route.

 

[yellow_people]

Your observation is not entirely right. For many years sg have move away from labour intensive to high value added industries like wafer fab, petrol chemical and highly automated industries.

Wake up. Wafer fab and the other automated industries you are talking about has been around for a 25 years or more. They are no longer considered cutting edge. The Chinese and Indians are ahead of Singapore already.

We drive away labour intensive industries like car assembly, textile, wood, metal, etc. knowing that we will not be able to compete with third world countries like india, china, vietnam, indonesia, etc where there are abundant cheap labor. The Art of War have worked because we know where our strength and weaknesses are.

Singapore never had a strong footing in any of the industries you mentioned. Car assembly was not even considered not for cheap labor reasons, Singapore had plenty of that btw, but it simply made no economic sense to build them in Singapore.

The Ah Bengs don't even have the first clue what's going on let alone their strengths (if any) and weaknesses (plenty). Just vain boasting.

The import of cheap labor now is purely to expand the economy to achieve GDP growth and at a very high price to the local because it is the wrong model since sg is a small country with very little land, labor and resources. It is doom to fail as the local will be very uncomfortable and social problems will arise. The sg sucess model of peaceful, secure, clean, efficient, etc is being slowly eroded away.

Quite a hypocritical statement. Basically the local Bengs want a foreigner cap on the jobs they want and are willing to compete for while exploiting cheap labor all the same. Singapore imports cheap labor as Singaporeans shun several critical jobs. Is the typical Beng family willing to pay their maid $2k a month. Will SG Lians consider a maid's job at $2k/mth? What about a local Beng road-sweeper at $3k per month? Any chance of that happening or do we exploit the Bangala for $800/mth? Construction workers? An Bengs willing to take the challenge? Let's just continue exploiting cheap labor whilst complaining about losing jobs to cheap foreigners.

The FTs are well aware of this double standard and hypocrisy in Singapore and they are less inclined to be sympathetic towards Singaporeans and most of them hold Sinkees in contempt.

sg have built up a large foreign reserve and that is our strength and sg did the right thing with Temasek and GIC making investment overseas compete, winning and making profit to supplement its domestic economy. It is also for this reason sg set up suchow SIP in china knowing the scarce resource but unfortunately thing did not work out as planned. The financial crisis from Lehmen Brother failure is also a wakeup call that the risk is very high.
sg is now in a much better position than we started many years ago. We have come this far without flooding sg with ft. We are now taking the wrong route.

Singapore has been on the wrong path since LKY on a warm noisy night pumped his fist in the air and shouted "Merdeka", "Merdeka". Singaporeans knew back than they were heading down the wrong path, but most went along for the ride as there was money in it for all. So why complain now??

 

[Liquigas]

Yes, agree that there are just too many FTs in our midst. Just look at my experience at work. The auditor coming to do audit in my company is a FT from Indonesia. The IT support guy is from PRC. The person I am dealing with in the bank is also a FT. The painters doing the painting renovation work at our office building are all foreign labour. OK, I know young people shun painting jobs but may I ask, is it really true that we cannot find enough young Singaporeans to fill up auditing, banking and IT jobs?

 

[seawater]

Singapore belongs to Singaporean. The male serve NS they play their role in the security of this country. Their roots are here. Their stake are high. Only sgrean have the right to decide how they want the country to be run which route to take who to welcome. If they dont welcome ft it is their right.

 

[yellow_people]

Singapore belongs to Singaporean. The male serve NS they play their role in the security of this country. Their roots are here. Their stake are high. Only sgrean have the right to decide how they want the country to be run which route to take who to welcome. If they dont welcome ft it is their right.

Singapore males serve NS not for the nation because they have no choice - it is mandatory. If they had a choice to voluntarily serve they like the FTs would skip serving altogether. Please get of your high horse.

 

[tonychat]

Singapore belongs to Singaporean. The male serve NS they play their role in the security of this country. Their roots are here. Their stake are high. Only sgrean have the right to decide how they want the country to be run which route to take who to welcome. If they dont welcome ft it is their right.

yellow is right... you are wrong..

 

[limpeh2]

Singapore males serve NS not for the nation because they have no choice - it is mandatory. If they had a choice to voluntarily serve they like the FTs would skip serving altogether. Please get of your high horse.

By the same token, if serving NS meant that we'd get rid of the FTrash, more Sporns'd be doing it right now & some even signing on.

Truth is, the FTrash problem has so pervaded all levels of our society that it's impossible for most to ignore it, save the f-ck'in 'white horse' elites.

 

[yellow_people]

By the same token, if serving NS meant that we'd get rid of the FTrash, more Sporns'd be doing it right now & some even signing on.

Truth is, the FTrash problem has so pervaded all levels of our society that it's impossible for most to ignore it, save the f-ck'in 'white horse' elites.

Dear Limp,

If NS were the pre-requisite to gaining a PR or citizenship, then we'll have a lot of PRC and Bangala who can't wait to sign up and shout "bang bang" during IFC. These poor sobs are taking hefty loans from syndicates that takes about ten years to settle at a minimum. A common bangala road-sweeper for instance takes a loan of about S$8000 to set foot in Singapore. How the fuck is he going to pay that loan back with a salary of $400/month.

These guys will gladly sign-on for NS and obtain the citizenship. They get paide NS allowance that's more then their exploited wages btw and they get 3 square meals a dar.

Only now the Ah Bengs will complain next that they are facing competion on NS.

Good for nothing loasers.