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Launch of religious hubs hits snag as bids fail to win sites​

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An artist's impression of a proposed church hub in Ubi. Live for Eternity Church placed a bid of about $3 million for the site. PHOTO: LIVE FOR ETERNITY CHURCH
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Ng Keng Gene

July12, 2022

SINGAPORE - A government pilot to have multiple religious organisations share premises has hit a snag, after two place of worship hub sites were not awarded as bids received for them were deemed too low.
In 2019, the Government launched two sites with 30-year leases - one for a Chinese temple hub in Tai Seng and another for a church hub in Ubi.
The initiative was meant to optimise land use through religious groups co-locating and sharing facilities within a multi-storey development.
It would also benefit smaller organisations that find standard place of worship land parcels too big for their use. Successful bidders were expected to develop, manage and operate the hub.
Responding to queries, the Ministry of National Development and Singapore Land Authority said the tenders "were ultimately not awarded for both sites as the bids received were significantly below the reserve price".
The authorities did not state what the reserve price was or whether it was communicated to the bidders.
They said the Tai Seng and Ubi sites will continue to be kept for use by the church and Chinese temple community, but did not specify if tenders for religious hubs would still be launched. The uncertainty calls into question the fate of the scheme, four years after it was first announced.

According to religious groups, at least one bid was placed for each of the sites.
Taoist Federation chairman Tan Thiam Lye said he placed a bid of about $1 million for the temple hub site through Lorong Koo Chye Sheng Hong Temple Association, where he is an administrative adviser, honorary secretary and trustee.
Mr Tan said he had hoped the temple hub would benefit smaller temples operating in industrial areas, and had discussed the idea with the authorities for years before it was launched. But he was left disappointed when his bid was rejected.


"Even if the land was given for free, breaking even as a temple hub developer would have been a challenge," he said.
Based on a construction fee of about $17 million for a seven-floor temple in Punggol on a site awarded in October 2019, Mr Tan said he estimated that construction fees for the Tai Seng hub would be about $20 million pre-pandemic.
Assuming the hub had 30 tenants each paying monthly rent of $5,000, it would take more than a decade to recoup the construction fee, he said, adding that not many religious groups can foot a $20 million bill upfront.
"I was prepared to make a loss to support the smaller temples, but a higher bid would not have been financially viable," he said.
Mr Tan added that he placed a relatively low bid as he did not want to set a high market price for the new policy. High prices would likely raise rental rates for tenants and price out small temples, he said.

Meanwhile, Live for Eternity Church placed a bid of about $3 million for the Ubi site.
The church, which has about 100 members and operates in a rented space in Tan Boon Liat Building, had partnered four other churches operating in industrial spaces.
Reverend Vincent Lee, lead pastor of Live for Eternity Church, said it had plans to utilise the space on weekdays for debt counselling services, for students to socialise, and to host family-oriented programmes.
A committee that worked on the bid estimated the hub would cost $50 million.
Discussions with the Housing Board, which manages Government Land Sales sites for places of worship, fell through after the church was unable to provide proof of source of funds by the deadline stipulated by HDB, said Rev Lee.
He said that while he had verbal commitments from donors for the project, getting written proof of funding was difficult as many preferred to put in money only after the land was awarded.
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Both Mr Tan and Rev Lee said they did not meet with the authorities to explain their bid amounts, but would have appreciated an opportunity to do so.
However, despite their failed bids, both remain supportive of the concept.
Rev Lee said the hubs remain an exciting prospect for smaller churches, which would be able to combine resources and worship in their own space, without the restrictions that come with renting industrial spaces.
Mr Richie Mui, a member of the church committee that worked on the bid, suggested that for future religious hub tenders, the authorities should consider awarding sites with certain conditions like the ability to show proof of source of funds within a given deadline.
Mr Tan said one way to make place of worship hubs financially viable would be to set them up in disused school compounds, which have the infrastructure needed to support multiple smaller temples.
"The classrooms are already partitioned, and school halls and fields are an ideal venue for festival celebrations," he said.
 

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Totally going against biblical principles and teachings. Christianity is all about believers and nothing about luscious building. Your monthly tithes will just go into pappy dogs' pockets
 

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That's why you rarely see a muslim joining these sorts of stunts. In the rare instance that one joins in, they are either paid or they don't even read and understand what is in the QUran.

Their act of joining these things are tantamount to kurafat (superstition) or worse murtad (apostasy) and syirik (associating powers of god). That is also why there is seldom mentioned the individual's names. No muslim would dare join this circus.
 

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That's why you rarely see a muslim joining these sorts of stunts. In the rare instance that one joins in, they are either paid or they don't even read and understand what is in the QUran.

Their act of joining these things are tantamount to kurafat (superstition) or worse murtad (apostasy) and syirik (associating powers of god). That is also why there is seldom mentioned the individual's names. No muslim would dare join this circus.
No muslim daring enough to join in doesn't mean they don't want to....
Basically I don't see why the need for all these fancy religious buildings? All are human creations worshipping to the sky, stones or idols which is not proven n unseen....
What people wrote thousands of years ago we have to believe? Has anyone seen it?:wink:
 
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No muslim daring enough to join in doesn't mean they don't want to....
Basically I don't see why the need for all these fancy religious buildings? All are human creations worshipping to the sky, stones or idols which is not proven n unseen....
What people wrote thousands of years ago we have to believe? Has anyone seen it?:wink:
Muslims don't worship sky, stones or idols.
The proof God exists is all around you. Only you have not used your logical faculties to seduce it.
 

countryman

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Idiot. Think! Can something be created from nothing except by a powerful entity?
Nonsense... How to create? Using what?
Powerful entity from where? Is it flying around the universe being invincible?
Bottom line is have u seen it before?
End of the day is just be a good human being, do good deeds n not harm others. This is good enough already!
 
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Some religions have jealous gods. If you believe in the god of that religion, you must not worship other gods or idols.
Allowing other deities and gods into the family is blasphemous to their god and all the good deeds on earth and prayers will be in vain.

stupid

What is God?

Concept of multiple Gods is a contradiction.

If you have a god that delivers rain and another that delivers sunshine, what happens when they disagree? When they fihgt? who wins?

Polytheism is a contradiction.
 

mudhatter

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Bottom line is have u seen it before?
End of the day is just be a good human being, do good deeds n not harm others. This is good enough already!

you can't see electromagnetic waves and for most of human recorded history, electromagnetism was an unkknown phenomenon. that's the reality

does it mean that wireless telecommunications (mobile phones) don't work? 5g networks don't work? wifi don't work? satellite communications don't work? etc etc

end of the day, how do you decide what is a good deed and what does not harm others ?
 

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you can't see electromagnetic waves and for most of human recorded history, electromagnetism was an unkknown phenomenon. that's the reality

does it mean that wireless telecommunications (mobile phones) don't work? 5g networks don't work? wifi don't work? satellite communications don't work? etc etc

end of the day, how do you decide what is a good deed and what does not harm others ?
Science n religion doesn't blend, cannot use to substantiate your reasoning !
To decide what is good deed or harming others, do I need to spell it out to u? Day n night u are cursing n mocking others endlessly here, you're already a good example..
 

mudhatter

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Science n religion doesn't blend, cannot use to substantiate your reasoning !
To decide what is good deed or harming others, do I need to spell it out to u? Day n night u are cursing n mocking others endlessly here, you're already a good example..

Saying all religions are same is unscientific in the first place.

Yes, what is good needs to be spelled out. How would anybody know otherwise?

Is adultery good or bad?

Is fornication good or bad?

Is alcoholism good or bad?

Is murder good or bad?

Was invasion of Iraq Afghanistan Libya Syria Yemen etc in last 21 years good or bad? And all the crimes committed there by the kuffar good or bad? Stinkypura has been a willing party, accessory and an accomplice in all those crimes, let's not forget that for a second. Did stinkypura heed international law or UN charter when it sided with yankee kuffar those times? Oh no, it didn't but conveniently now it cares about UN and international law.

Is caste system good or bad?
Is polytheism good or bad?

Is usury/interests good or bad?
Is pork eating good or bad?
Is kowtowing to a dynastic dictatorial eunuch good or bad rather than rising up and toppling them?

You can't even say, write what you need to or want to without earning the ire of eunuch loong in stinkypura. Same is true of Anglo countries where pakis or other turd world nominally Muslim immigrants would pretend to be loyal sh*ttyzens who are fully free to be Muslims but somehow can't say or do what needs to be said about their country, their military and their public whatsoever.

well, maybe because they don't enjoy the freedoms that they are forced to boastfully say they enjoy and can't publicly pronounce how evil the anglo ang moh zionist jewish entities and countries are. stupid dumbf@rks.
 

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Saying all religions are same is unscientific in the first place.

Yes, what is good needs to be spelled out. How would anybody know otherwise?

Is adultery good or bad?

Is fornication good or bad?

Is alcoholism good or bad?

Is murder good or bad?

Was invasion of Iraq Afghanistan Libya Syria Yemen etc in last 21 years good or bad? And all the crimes committed there by the kuffar good or bad? Stinkypura has been a willing party, accessory and an accomplice in all those crimes, let's not forget that for a second. Did stinkypura heed international law or UN charter when it sided with yankee kuffar those times? Oh no, it didn't but conveniently now it cares about UN and international law.

Is caste system good or bad?
Is polytheism good or bad?

Is usury/interests good or bad?
Is pork eating good or bad?
Is kowtowing to a dynastic dictatorial eunuch good or bad rather than rising up and toppling them?

You can't even say, write what you need to or want to without earning the ire of eunuch loong in stinkypura. Same is true of Anglo countries where pakis or other turd world nominally Muslim immigrants would pretend to be loyal sh*ttyzens who are fully free to be Muslims but somehow can't say or do what needs to be said about their country, their military and their public whatsoever.

well, maybe because they don't enjoy the freedoms that they are forced to boastfully say they enjoy and can't publicly pronounce how evil the anglo ang moh zionist jewish entities and countries are. stupid dumbf@rks.
Take it easy, why so much hatred in u?
There's nothing u can do except to type your frustrations here in this forum, you'll be lucky that people bother to read. Cos here no one reply to your postings, probably only me... LOL
For me I don't bother so much, try my best to live a good life n for me I know what are good deeds n what are harmful stuff to people. It doesn't need to be spell out n I don't need to pray 10x a day to be reminded!
 

Loofydralb

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Saying all religions are same is unscientific in the first place.

Yes, what is good needs to be spelled out. How would anybody know otherwise?

Is adultery good or bad?

Is fornication good or bad?

Is alcoholism good or bad?

Is murder good or bad?

well, maybe because they don't enjoy the freedoms that they are forced to boastfully say they enjoy and can't publicly pronounce how evil the anglo ang moh zionist jewish entities and countries are. stupid dumbf@rks.
Don't bother with them. They refuse to think or even contemplate. Their chinks genes will only allow them to look at the next opportunity to get rich.

Quran 2:6 and 2:7
As for those who persist in disbelief, it is the same whether you warn them or not—they will never believe.
Allah has sealed their hearts and their hearing, and their sight is covered. They will suffer a tremendous punishment.
 

countryman

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Don't bother with them. They refuse to think or even contemplate. Their chinks genes will only allow them to look at the next opportunity to get rich.

Quran 2:6 and 2:7
As for those who persist in disbelief, it is the same whether you warn them or not—they will never believe.
Allah has sealed their hearts and their hearing, and their sight is covered. They will suffer a tremendous punishment.
Chinks looking to get rich also bothers u? Have they harm you n your family or seize your assets by force? I sense jealousy or envious here.
There is no need to let others dictate your life unless u don't know how to differentiate what's right from wrong. Praying 10x a day doesn't make u a better person...
 
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Loofydralb

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Chinks looking to get rich also bothers u? Have they harm you n your family or seize your assets by force? I sense jealousy or envious here.
There is no need to let others dictate your life unless u don't know how to differentiate what's right from wrong. Praying 10x a day doesn't make u a better person...
Envy? Jealous? :laugh: Many are better off than you and we know where to draw the line. It's just a statement of facts and you get triggered. Truth hurts huh?

My dear, only Allah dictate our lives and your right and wrong is subjective isn't it? What was wrong 50 years ago is now ok? Maybe murder in the future is ok. That is why your morality is wrong. It keeps changing.

Praying to Allah definitely makes you a better person. Go ask any Muslim convert parent if their child is a better person or not after joining Islam.
 
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