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alchemist

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maybe, there was no approval/permit issued by the CRA ?

Ahh.. i see.. thanks for the update.. *sigh* really wish they can ship the games here. Can't stand the coach ride to genting, and macau too expensive
you can drive up if you can ..?

or take a "budget flight" up ?

i prefer to drive up casually, "free and easy"..

i be driving up on Deepavali Hoildays (11th Nov) - got free rooms and free RM100 transport levy /shows
after going to Japan Hokaido this week.

i also hate to take the coach as i am not use to taking long distance buses as well..

I prefer playing rescue spins Azure "shen long" to other Azure games.
 

aurvandil

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Hi bros and sis, my first posting here. just want to share an opinion. I feel slot machines are rigged to a certain extent, and it is possible to change to payout rate with a touch of the button. This is possible with server based gaming. It seems we're playing at the "mercy" of the casino operators, who can change a hot machine to a loose one at their whim and fancy.By the way, does anyone when the new aruze games like Chinese Queen or Geisha will appear at RWS? I hate travelling to Genting.

Bro Kia's info is accurate but it is mainly for the older generation of slots (bf 2005/2006) which are still in service in many casinos today. The following is an article dated 2007. They started server based slots as far back as 2007 when the Neveda Gaming Comission granted permission for these server based machines. There have been numerous patents filed by the various slot machine makers for logs which conform to the gaming regulations. Given then it is now 2012, the technology is probably mature and widely used. Since Neveda has approved the technology, it is likely that CRA, which is modelled after Neveda, has also approved the technology.

http://casinogambling.about.com/od/slots/a/server.htm

In April 2007 the Nevada Gaming Regulators approved International Game Technology’s sever-based gaming system following field testing of 20 machines. The server based slots are also called downloadable slots are the wave of the future for the gaming industry. I first saw the demonstration of this technology a few years ago at the Global Gaming Expo, the annual trade show for the gaming industry. The decision by the Nevada board means that the machines could start finding their way onto the casino floors in the future although one report said it won’t happen until around 2009.

Although the commission approved IGT’s system they are not the only slot maker with sever based technology. WMS and Bally’s have been spending millions of dollars in research and development of similar systems and it is only a matter of time until they get approval as well.

How It Works
Server based slot games are connected to a central computer system. The “slot machines” on the casino floor are generic terminals. Different slot games can be downloaded into the slot cabinets. Slot managers will have the ability to change a slot machine's games, denominations, bonus payouts and promotions from a central computer server rather than requiring technicians to perform the work manually. Instead of having to buy a slot game that could go out of favor with the players the server based system lets the casino have the ability to switch a game with a new one in a matter of seconds.

A Myth Comes True
For years slot players have believed a myth that the casinos could change the payback of a machine with the flip of a switch. They worried that the casino could tighten the machines during busy times such as weekends and then loosen them up to pay more during the week. With the new server based system this myth could actually become a reality as they can change the payback of the machines through the server.

A Slow Transition
The decision by the Nevada board means that the machines could start finding their way onto the casino floors in the future although one report said it won’t happen until around 2009. Gaming analysts said the casino industry remains interested in server-based gaming but are unsure how much slot machine floor space they'll give the games. A survey of slot managers by Goldman Sachs found that casino operators are only willing to initially devote about a quarter of their slot floor to the new machines.

The final test of this new technology will lie in the hands of the players. If they do not accept and trust the new “terminal games” then the casinos will not be in a hurry to convert their casino floors to the new system. Only time will tell.
 
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Kia0042

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Thanks for that info, yeah, i've heard about it, but i suspect it's to do with the game design. They can't "flip" the switch, but they can adjust the probability of the winning symbols hitting, thus lowering chances of winning a bonus. So technically, they are not changing the EEPROM chip, just adjusting the probability rate. Otherwise, i think a jackpot will be won everyday if the casino really leaves it to random chances.. :smile:

There are always somethings happened behind the closed doors that we can never know.
 

Kia0042

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Hm.. really? so those aristocrat stuff at PS are non server based? I see... But yeah, bro kia, like you mention, it's all about timing for slots. Just curious, how much BR do u spend per month at RWS, and how often do you end up on a winning trip?

I guess Aristocrat games are really popular here, but i wonder why not many ppl like to play Aruze stuff? Not that i'm promoting them, but i just like the random animation that pops up, rather than the repetitive nature of most Aristocrat

My br per trip is 2-3k and I visit rws up to 6trips per week.
2-3 winning trips out of 10
1 or less than 1 breakeven trip
5-6 lost. Among these lost trips, single "167" trip (lost from head to toe) and others were lack of discipline trips (won initially but did not leave).

Aristocrat is pioneer in slot games and to compare the seat occupancy at Aristocrat game area with others, it is obvious that Aristocrat is a more prefered games by sg players and maybe in other parts of the world too.

My answer for not playing Aruze games can be as simple as I do not like the music tune.
Same like I bought a car because it has dual exhaust pipes.
Oh yeah, my reason can be rather ridiculous and my taste can be rather weird, I know. :p
 

aurvandil

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This latest move by CRA prevents the kind of remote changes that many punters are concerned about. It might be worth writing down the odds of your favorite machines and doing some quick checks before you play to confirm that the machines have not been adjusted. Also useful would be compare the difference in odds between hyperlinked progressive machines and non hyperlinked machines to determine the amount being removed for the progressive jackpot.

By October 2013, all machines will have such odds displayed. This makes it much safer for slot players as compared to going on cruises or Genting which has no equivalent legal requirement.



http://www.asiaone.com/News/Latest+News/Singapore/Story/A1Story20121025-379776.html

SINGAPORE - By October next year, all slot machines at the two casinos here must display the odds of a punter hitting winning combinations.

The Casino Regulatory Authority (CRA) implemented this requirement earlier this month to highlight how unlikely it is to end up with such combinations - in a move to deter people from over-exuberant gambling.

So far, about 20 per cent of the 5,000 slot machines in the casinos have complied with the rule.

The information, for example, that the odds of getting five of the same in a game is as high as one in 53,615, is displayed on the machines.

Mr Lee Kwong Yee, deputy director of CRA's gaming technology and information communication systems department, said the purpose is to let players know exactly "how remote it is to hit certain combinations".

He added that his department's job is to ensure that the machine games are fair, secure and do not induce patrons to play more.

The rules also dictate that in the long run, 90 per cent of total bets will be returned as winnings to players. In Nevada in the United States, that figure must, on average, be at least 75 per cent.

In the second quarter of this year, about US$2.74 billion (S$3.3 billion) was fed into the slot machines at Marina Bay Sands (MBS), 15 per cent more than in the same period last year. The figure for Resorts World Sentosa is not available. Slot machines accounted for about 18 per cent of total bets at the MBS casino in the second quarter of this year.

All gaming machines have to be approved by CRA, which has its own laboratories to test them and equipment such as card shufflers.

It will also check the machine's serial number, the type of game installed and the machine's location in the casino.

The machines are also sealed to prevent tampering. "To change the settings of the machines, the seals would have to be broken," said Mr Lee. "If the casino operators need to troubleshoot the machine, they have to inform CRA."

CRA inspectors regularly visit the casinos to make sure procedures are followed and that table games are conducted fairly.

Inspector Yao Siying said she and about 20 colleagues have to know the ins and outs of the casinos and learn the rules of all the games. She also deals with people who are excluded from the casinos but sneak in. This includes taking their statements on how they evaded security checks and how much they had won or lost.

"If they win, we have to ask them to cough up the winnings," said Ms Yao, who added that the money goes to the Tote Board.

Inspectors also handle disputes. One of Ms Yao's most memorable cases involved a slot-machine payout of more than $50,000. A woman had tried to play on a machine but found that it was "locked" and the screen display indicated a winning hand.

Thinking she had won, she approached a casino staff member who told her otherwise. She lodged a claim with CRA. After going through the surveillance video and machine log, Ms Yao found that another punter had won but had left without realising his windfall.

The woman appealed against the decision but a CRA board, made up of individuals such as lawyers and community leaders, upheld Ms Yao's decision.

"I was glad that we found the rightful winner," said Ms Yao.
 

Kia0042

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Thanks for the info, bro aurvandil.
Even the payout percentage is 95%, players will still lose because it is hard to control greed.


Sunday trip report - Lost $3.7k

Yet another lesson learnt. Don't be TIKI ( stubborn )!
A machine that doesn't pay, it will not pay for the rest of the day.
2cts 5K, 3 in the row next to 100dragons and 3 FK on the left side. This 5k was so nasty and yet I was stupid enough to challenge it. It didin't kill me instantly, I was being peel off one layer at a time like an onion, nothing left eventually.
In my evening section, I continued my stupidity to faceoff the same machine. It took 500+spins for first feature and another 400+ spins for another and with a payout as low as 5,000cr. Raise white flag before I sink into the bottom of the ocean. I switched to SS and had a little fun time with it before I call it a night.
 

theblackhole

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Bro Kia, take it easy. Yes, I was also very TIKI and I had lost my pants too. So I've been keeping away and lying very low. So far my temptation to go in and have a spin has almost gone.

Take care Bro Kia and my best wishes to you too...Good Luck!!! and to all brothers here too.....HUAT !!!!!
 

Mindless

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By October 2013, all machines will have such odds displayed. This makes it much safer for slot players as compared to going on cruises or Genting which has no equivalent legal requirement.
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Thanks Aurvandil. This is quite assuring. At least we are assured of no dirty tricks - just pure timing, RNG and luck.

So far in RWS, I have seen some machines already have the odds displayed on the same small LCD screen that displays the members name and GP points. Seems to be available on games such as Where's the gold, 50D, but not available on our favaurite games such as 5K/FK/5D yet.

Cheers.
 

Mindless

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"I knew only Aristocrat Geisa and not Aruza, I pay very less attention to Aruza games, probably some other forumers here can answer your question about Geisa and Chinese Queen."


Azure 's Chinese Queen (Yang Gui Fei) and japanese Geisha,
were launch almost at the same time as the " Volcanoes Eruption" series in KL genting.

and since , now Singapore Genting has "Eruption series" but not the Chinese Queen and Geisha..
i guese..maybe there may not be having it here at all ?

maybe, there was no approval/permit issued by the CRA ?

Volcano eruption games are very noisy games. The line payout sucks and the Magna 7 free games are so so only. The one that really pays is to pick the Level 5 JP. But not easy since you need to pick 3 of the kind. Back to back feature games are very common but may not pay. I treat this game more for occasional entertainment when I am bored or scared of the usual Aristocrat games. I still like the old Queen, Shen Long and San Guo.

Cheers.
 

aurvandil

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If you have access to these odds, there are lots of other interesting things you can check. For example, it is always assumed that the odds are "better" for 5 cent machines vs 2 cent machines. If you can find the same machine but in different denominations, you can see if there is any difference.

Another hypothesis that has been floating around is that you get better odds for 10 credits per line as opposed to 1 credit per line. With this odds information, you can check this out to see if it is true.

Also it has been contended that the slots at MBS are much tighter than the slots at RWS. When the odds info requirement is fully implemented in Oct 2013, it will be possible to compare the odds for your favorite games at the 2 IRs to see which is the better place for you to play slots.

Finally for those super nasty machines where you spin and spin and get nothing. You can use the odds info to see if it is really bad luck or is it because they set different odds for the same machine placed at different locations.

It is a really good move by CRA that should be used fully by power slot players like yourself and Bro Kia.


Thanks Aurvandil. This is quite assuring. At least we are assured of no dirty tricks - just pure timing, RNG and luck.

So far in RWS, I have seen some machines already have the odds displayed on the same small LCD screen that displays the members name and GP points. Seems to be available on games such as Where's the gold, 50D, but not available on our favaurite games such as 5K/FK/5D yet.

Cheers.
 
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Kia0042

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Also it has been contended that the slots at MBA are much tighter than the slots at RWS. When the odds info requirement is fully implemented in Oct 2013, it will be possible to compare the odds for your favorite games at the 2 IRs to see which is the better place for you to play slots.

This I cannot wait to see! :p
 

Densensei

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There's a facebook game called Jackpot party casino. It has all the popular WMS slots found on the casino floor. A nice alternative for those (like me) who wants to spin but can't afford to. And its free to play too :smile:
 

Mindless

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Monday outing.
Armed with $1500, I headed to ID. One FK and One Aisle 5K available. Woo hoo, I chose the 5K. After $1k, I only got one feature betting 150/300cr that paid about 20k cr. Another guy who took the FK, was already into his 3rd feature!!! A lady was playing another 5K behind me and that one has close to 5-7 features with at least one FH in each feature. Alas, she is on small 60 cr bet. On my left, an uncle was playing the other 5K. He was betting 150/300 cr and complaining that all the feature sucks and he has already lost $3k.

Anyway, back to my story, I didnt want to give up yet, so I continued on my "lousy" machine. Lucky enough, I hit the JP3, which paid $220. That kept me going until finally, I used up almost all my BR chasing my 2nd feature. By then I was betting 300cr and occasional 450cr and also started to use my GP points. Lo and behold, suddenly my screen credit increased to 88k (~$1.7k), before all the bells and whistle came......hahha, I got JP2!!! The cap for JP2 was $3k and it dropped at $1.7k. First time I got JP2 in ID. Break even!!! I played for a little while and finally hit a feature and increased BR to 100k, left it on the screen and "ran".

PS: I think the China syndicate is falling apart liao. With JP releasing at random, there is no way for them to time their max bet. The other day, I saw their recce team even go into the PS area to checkout the Aruze rescue spin.


Cheers and good luck to all.
 

Kia0042

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There's a facebook game called Jackpot party casino. It has all the popular WMS slots found on the casino floor. A nice alternative for those (like me) who wants to spin but can't afford to. And its free to play too :smile:

I knew there was a Jackpot Party website (not FB) and sg players are not allowed to access the free play page.
 

theblackhole

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Well done Bro Mindless. Hope your lucky streak will continue.Good Luck and Huat to all brothers and sisters here!!!
 

Mindless

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If you have access to these odds, there are lots of other interesting things you can check.

Thanks Aurvandil. I really enjoy reading your post. Your Avatar really fits you very well. I always imagine you to be some kind of Professor or Analysts:smile:

PS 1: Interestingly, without the odds, one just have to observe where/what the regular aunties/uncles are playing. With the odds disclosed, it become more scientific (backed by maths)!!! One up for punters.

PS2: Aurvandil, you also reminds me of the show "Numb3rs" on AXN. Its about a maths whiz who helps his brother to solve crime scene using maths application with complex formulas. I really like that show.


Cheers.
 

Kia0042

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Monday outing.
Anyway, back to my story, I didnt want to give up yet, so I continued on my "lousy" machine. Lucky enough, I hit the JP3, which paid $220. That kept me going until finally, I used up almost all my BR chasing my 2nd feature. By then I was betting 300cr and occasional 450cr and also started to use my GP points. Lo and behold, suddenly my screen credit increased to 88k (~$1.7k), before all the bells and whistle came......hahha, I got JP2!!! The cap for JP2 was $3k and it dropped at $1.7k. First time I got JP2 in ID. Break even!!! I played for a little while and finally hit a feature and increased BR to 100k, left it on the screen and "ran".

PS: I think the China syndicate is falling apart liao. With JP releasing at random, there is no way for them to time their max bet. The other day, I saw their recce team even go into the PS area to checkout the Aruze rescue spin.


Cheers and good luck to all.

Congrats for hitting JP2!
Some say if the JP wants to "drop" to your machine, it usually has a very bad payout. Thereofre, if you are unable to pull through the bad timing, you probably going to miss the JP?? really :confused:

I have not see the china syndicate for quite sometimes, maybe the gang has been dismissed. :p
 

Mindless

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Congrats for hitting JP2!
Some say if the JP wants to "drop" to your machine, it usually has a very bad payout. Thereofre, if you are unable to pull through the bad timing, you probably going to miss the JP?? really :confused:

Thanks.

I doubt. Line payout and JP are 2 separate engines running concurrently. Moreover, in a 20-30 machines JP area, there are a portion on good timing and there are a portion on bad timing. How to give JP to so many people at the same time. Its best to ran if met with bad timing. The JP may not be able to cover the BR.

I was tiki but lucky yesterday. Lucky because I had JP3 and GP points to keep me going.:p

PS: I still think I should not be tiki.....

Cheers.
 

hokkien

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Monday outing.
Armed with $1500, I headed to ID. One FK and One Aisle 5K available. Woo hoo, I chose the 5K. After $1k, I only got one feature betting 150/300cr that paid about 20k cr. Another guy who took the FK, was already into his 3rd feature!!! A lady was playing another 5K behind me and that one has close to 5-7 features with at least one FH in each feature. Alas, she is on small 60 cr bet. On my left, an uncle was playing the other 5K. He was betting 150/300 cr and complaining that all the feature sucks and he has already lost $3k.

Anyway, back to my story, I didnt want to give up yet, so I continued on my "lousy" machine. Lucky enough, I hit the JP3, which paid $220. That kept me going until finally, I used up almost all my BR chasing my 2nd feature. By then I was betting 300cr and occasional 450cr and also started to use my GP points. Lo and behold, suddenly my screen credit increased to 88k (~$1.7k), before all the bells and whistle came......hahha, I got JP2!!! The cap for JP2 was $3k and it dropped at $1.7k. First time I got JP2 in ID. Break even!!! I played for a little while and finally hit a feature and increased BR to 100k, left it on the screen and "ran".

PS: I think the China syndicate is falling apart liao. With JP releasing at random, there is no way for them to time their max bet. The other day, I saw their recce team even go into the PS area to checkout the Aruze rescue spin.


Cheers and good luck to all.

Bro what a luck to hit the jp2:biggrin:
Not everyone can do that:biggrin:
 
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