she's quite chio.
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Singapore got poverty?
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If chio can go sell and earn the big bucks and use the money wisely to get out of poverty, buy HDB flat,,,rent out and stay JB condos by renting,,,,and use the money for self improvement causes etc,,,,most important thing is financial planning
If Singapore got poverty, how e turn from Third World to First?
Woody will tell u he will be worried if teres no poverty in sinkieland.
The poor in Australia
You are out of touch..what iPhone?, that is passé, now it is Samsung Note 9, Huawei Mate 20...what iPhone?
Going back to the Oxford dictionary definition of poverty, it refers to the extremely poor. There is absolute poverty and relative poverty within richer societies.
The bottom 10% of society can be said to be extremely poor.
In Singapore: https://dollarsandsense.sg/3-hard-truths-about-poverty-in-singapore/
Hard Truths About Poverty
1. 110,000 – 140,000 household falls under the basic living expenditure of $1,250
The Department of Statistics measured the amount needed for basic living expenses to be at $1,250 per month, per household. According to data published in 2011, 10 – 12% of household fall under this level.
$1,250, or about $312 per person, is not a high amount and we doubt anyone will disagree on that.
More tellingly, what the statistics revealed is that about 440,000 to 560,000 (based on each household having 4 family members) are actually living within or below that amount.
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Living with $300 per month can only buy you around 40 SAF cookhouse meals. Or barely 1.3 meals a day.
This is poverty in Singapore, to be able to only afford 1.3 cookhouse meals per day.
150,000 households, if given $1000 per month, would cost the country $1.8 billion dollars annually. But there would be knock on effects as the poor would tend to spend 90-100% of the money back into the economy.
In terms of pump priming the economy, this is way more useful than wasteful construction projects like digging up the road outside my house 3 times in less than 2 years for godknowswhat pipe/cable laying/repair etc. That money goes into foreign workers pockets which are repatriated overseas, leaking dollars
So I say we rethink this issue and consider giving the bottom 10% of households $1000 per month.
The economic benefits of such a policy are desirable. $2Bn would hardly be inflationary to our $320+ billion economy.
The bottom 10% of society can be said to be extremely poor.
In Singapore: https://dollarsandsense.sg/3-hard-truths-about-poverty-in-singapore/
Hard Truths About Poverty
1. 110,000 – 140,000 household falls under the basic living expenditure of $1,250
The Department of Statistics measured the amount needed for basic living expenses to be at $1,250 per month, per household. According to data published in 2011, 10 – 12% of household fall under this level.
$1,250, or about $312 per person, is not a high amount and we doubt anyone will disagree on that.
More tellingly, what the statistics revealed is that about 440,000 to 560,000 (based on each household having 4 family members) are actually living within or below that amount.
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Living with $300 per month can only buy you around 40 SAF cookhouse meals. Or barely 1.3 meals a day.
This is poverty in Singapore, to be able to only afford 1.3 cookhouse meals per day.
150,000 households, if given $1000 per month, would cost the country $1.8 billion dollars annually. But there would be knock on effects as the poor would tend to spend 90-100% of the money back into the economy.
In terms of pump priming the economy, this is way more useful than wasteful construction projects like digging up the road outside my house 3 times in less than 2 years for godknowswhat pipe/cable laying/repair etc. That money goes into foreign workers pockets which are repatriated overseas, leaking dollars
So I say we rethink this issue and consider giving the bottom 10% of households $1000 per month.
The economic benefits of such a policy are desirable. $2Bn would hardly be inflationary to our $320+ billion economy.
They may be making poor decisions but what does that have to do with the rest of us? Many of the world's poor have managed to succeed through determination and hard work. It's all a matter of mindset.[/QUOTE]
What causes them to make poor decisions? Yes, it's a matter of mindset. We can choose to disregard and ignore, and tell ourselves that it's not poverty. It's none of our concern. As you have stated, it has nothing to do with us. Your perspective is respected.
ONE (SINGAPORE) ANNOUNCES LAUNCH OF $10 CAMPAIGN TO END POVERTY
ONE (SINGAPORE) is excited to announce the online launch of the $10 Campaign! The number 10 serves as a constant reminder that at least one in ten Singaporeans lives in poverty. The year-long campaign will raise awareness of poverty and inequalities in Singapore. It will also raise funds to generate short-term and long-term solutions to poverty through a two-pronged approach. Proceeds support an Emergency Fund for low-income families as well as research and advocacy efforts.
Absolute and relative...
Let's talk about poverty and inequality today
Teo You Yenn For The Straits Times
Contrary to popular belief in some circles, there are people living in poverty in contemporary Singapore.
Yet, I ended up writing a book not just about poverty, but also inequality.
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Because poverty is not just about poverty but also about inequality, this is not a problem about "them" but a problem for "us".
There remains much to be done. Let's all get to work together.
•The writer is associate professor and head of sociology at Nanyang Technological University, and author of This Is What Inequality Looks Like (Ethos Books, forthcoming next year).
Teo You Yenn For The Straits Times
Contrary to popular belief in some circles, there are people living in poverty in contemporary Singapore.
Yet, I ended up writing a book not just about poverty, but also inequality.
...
...
Because poverty is not just about poverty but also about inequality, this is not a problem about "them" but a problem for "us".
There remains much to be done. Let's all get to work together.
•The writer is associate professor and head of sociology at Nanyang Technological University, and author of This Is What Inequality Looks Like (Ethos Books, forthcoming next year).
Why setting a poverty line may not be helpful: Minister Chan Chun Sing
Singapore is not considering having an official poverty line, as it would not fully reflect the severity and complexity of issues faced by the poor, and may also lead to those above the line missing out on assistance, says Social and Family Development Minister Chan Chun Sing. -- ST FILE PHOTO: KEVIN LIM
PUBLISHED
OCT 23, 2013, 6:39 AM SGT
Broader definition of poverty reflects better the complexity of issues
Robin Chan Political Correspondent
Singapore is not considering having an official poverty line, as it would not fully reflect the severity and complexity of issues faced by the poor, and may also lead to those above the line missing out on assistance.
Minister for Social and Family Development Chan Chun Sing made these points on Monday, amid renewed calls for Singapore to look into having one after Hong Kong set an official poverty line last month.
In a written parliamentary reply, he said the Government's approach is to use broad definitions for the groups it seeks to help, set clear criteria to identify and assess those in need, and come up with tailored schemes.
"If we use a single poverty line to assess the family, we also risk a 'cliff effect', where those below the poverty line receive all forms of assistance, while other genuinely needy citizens outside the poverty line are excluded," he said.
They were the Government's first comments on the issue since Hong Kong's policy change on Sept 30.
Mr Chan said a poverty line would also miss out other issues that poor families face. These include ill health, lack of housing and weak family relationships.
Replying to questions by Non-Constituency MP Yee Jenn Jong and Nominated MP Laurence Lien, Mr Chan said Singapore's assessment process for providing help to those in need is "rigorous but also flexible" to cater to the genuinely needy.
This means that those who do not meet certain criteria in help programmes are also able to receive assistance.
Singapore is not considering having an official poverty line, as it would not fully reflect the severity and complexity of issues faced by the poor, and may also lead to those above the line missing out on assistance, says Social and Family Development Minister Chan Chun Sing. -- ST FILE PHOTO: KEVIN LIM
PUBLISHED
OCT 23, 2013, 6:39 AM SGT
Broader definition of poverty reflects better the complexity of issues
Robin Chan Political Correspondent
Singapore is not considering having an official poverty line, as it would not fully reflect the severity and complexity of issues faced by the poor, and may also lead to those above the line missing out on assistance.
Minister for Social and Family Development Chan Chun Sing made these points on Monday, amid renewed calls for Singapore to look into having one after Hong Kong set an official poverty line last month.
In a written parliamentary reply, he said the Government's approach is to use broad definitions for the groups it seeks to help, set clear criteria to identify and assess those in need, and come up with tailored schemes.
"If we use a single poverty line to assess the family, we also risk a 'cliff effect', where those below the poverty line receive all forms of assistance, while other genuinely needy citizens outside the poverty line are excluded," he said.
They were the Government's first comments on the issue since Hong Kong's policy change on Sept 30.
Mr Chan said a poverty line would also miss out other issues that poor families face. These include ill health, lack of housing and weak family relationships.
Replying to questions by Non-Constituency MP Yee Jenn Jong and Nominated MP Laurence Lien, Mr Chan said Singapore's assessment process for providing help to those in need is "rigorous but also flexible" to cater to the genuinely needy.
This means that those who do not meet certain criteria in help programmes are also able to receive assistance.
When Finance Minister Heng Swee Keat announces the annual Budget next month and MPs debate government spending for the year ahead, some attention will turn to whether this pool of citizens continues to get adequate support.
Some perennial questions will likely also be asked. Among them: Who are these poor Singaporeans who are receiving financial help from the state? How did they land in dire straits, and how likely are they to be able to escape their plight?
But questions remain: Do these folk constitute what passes for "poverty" in affluent Singapore? Might there be others like them who need help but have not received it?
Singapore has no official national definition of poverty, unlike some countries such as the United States which have poverty thresholds based on household income and size.
Three years ago, then-Social and Family Development Minister Chan Chun Sing explained that the Government has "multiple lines of assistance across the entire spectrum rather than having one line".
The ministry's website points out that its help schemes typically cover the bottom 20th percentile of households, with the flexibility to go beyond if the family's circumstances merit consideration.
However, in the absence of an official definition of poverty, the 2.7 per cent of citizens receiving ComCare help could be seen as a proxy measure of the extent of poverty here.
https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/the-faces-behind-the-aid-figures
Some perennial questions will likely also be asked. Among them: Who are these poor Singaporeans who are receiving financial help from the state? How did they land in dire straits, and how likely are they to be able to escape their plight?
But questions remain: Do these folk constitute what passes for "poverty" in affluent Singapore? Might there be others like them who need help but have not received it?
Singapore has no official national definition of poverty, unlike some countries such as the United States which have poverty thresholds based on household income and size.
Three years ago, then-Social and Family Development Minister Chan Chun Sing explained that the Government has "multiple lines of assistance across the entire spectrum rather than having one line".
The ministry's website points out that its help schemes typically cover the bottom 20th percentile of households, with the flexibility to go beyond if the family's circumstances merit consideration.
However, in the absence of an official definition of poverty, the 2.7 per cent of citizens receiving ComCare help could be seen as a proxy measure of the extent of poverty here.
https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/the-faces-behind-the-aid-figures
As to what lands people in the poverty trap, a study by the Lien Centre for Social Innovation last year identified some root causes:
Low-wage workers' wages are depressed due to the influx of cheap foreign labour, and workers are left out of economic growth.
Social workers note that there remains a group of core poor in Singapore - mostly the elderly and sick who cannot work. This group on long-term ComCare assistance has remained relatively stable - 4,134 in 2014, up from 3,479 in 2010.
Then there are those whose incomes have not caught up with rising costs. "Many people still live from hand to mouth because their income levels fail to catch up with the cost of living," says Mr Wee Lin, chairman of Sunlove Abode, which runs a network of seniors activity centres and clinics.
The number of those getting short- to medium-term ComCare help grew from 30,908 in 2010 to 67,926 in 2014.
THEN and NOW - Is it getting from bad to worse?
Is this not due to complacency and incompetency?
Low-wage workers' wages are depressed due to the influx of cheap foreign labour, and workers are left out of economic growth.
Social workers note that there remains a group of core poor in Singapore - mostly the elderly and sick who cannot work. This group on long-term ComCare assistance has remained relatively stable - 4,134 in 2014, up from 3,479 in 2010.
Then there are those whose incomes have not caught up with rising costs. "Many people still live from hand to mouth because their income levels fail to catch up with the cost of living," says Mr Wee Lin, chairman of Sunlove Abode, which runs a network of seniors activity centres and clinics.
The number of those getting short- to medium-term ComCare help grew from 30,908 in 2010 to 67,926 in 2014.
THEN and NOW - Is it getting from bad to worse?
Is this not due to complacency and incompetency?
STORIES OF HARDSHIP, RESILIENCE AND HOPE
The project may have started out giving voices to various people living in poverty in Singapore, but it also found stories of dignity, resilience and, very importantly, the desire for a better life. PHOTO: ST FILE
The two reporters behind this project - one covering the community beat and the other, low-wage workers over the past five years - wanted to go beyond the big-picture trends, numbers and government announcements in tackling the poverty issue in Singapore.
The two reporters behind this project - one covering the community beat and the other, low-wage workers over the past five years - wanted to go beyond the big-picture trends, numbers and government announcements in tackling the poverty issue in Singapore.
TEEN HOPES TO BREAK LONG CYCLE OF STRUGGLE
Mr Md Ridzwan Azmi with his grandfather, Mr Ahmad Taman, who was working as a security guard until earlier this month, when he was diagnosed with lung cancer after a fall at work. ST PHOTO: MARK CHEONG
Mr Md Ridzwan Azmi with his grandfather, Mr Ahmad Taman, who was working as a security guard until earlier this month, when he was diagnosed with lung cancer after a fall at work. ST PHOTO: MARK CHEONG
Mr Leck in his two-room rental flat in Clementi. Doctors have certified him to be unfit for work, he says. ST PHOTO: TOH YONG CHUAN
It is 9pm on a Monday and Sasha (not her real name) has not only skipped dinner, but breakfast and lunch as well.
"I haven't eaten all day because there is no money for food towards the end of the month," says Sasha, who is in her 40s and a single mother of four children. She has been married three times.
"Usually, I just drink water and let the children have instant noodle or $2 packets of food," she adds, breaking into a hacking cough.
"I haven't eaten all day because there is no money for food towards the end of the month," says Sasha, who is in her 40s and a single mother of four children. She has been married three times.
"Usually, I just drink water and let the children have instant noodle or $2 packets of food," she adds, breaking into a hacking cough.
There is no point copying and pasting articles to try to bolster your case because the fact remains that there is no poverty in Singapore.
Just take a look at the photos and videos featuring these so called victims of poverty and you'll see they're all well fed. No gaunt features, no sunken cheeks, no look of despair. They're all well fed, dressed in nice clothes and have a roof over their heads.
EG this guy is twice my weight at least :
As for "Sasha" I googled in order to find a photo of her and this is what came up :
https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/no-money-for-food-at-end-of-the-month
Are you honestly trying to tell me that this looks anything like poverty??? Nice house, all in nice clothes, nice furniture, A PET CAT!!, she is wearing some jewelry, she has a landline and one of her kids is considerably overweight!
If this family represents the bottom of the pile in Singapore I have to say that Singapore is one of the best countries in the world.
I'm sorry but you're going to have to be far more convincing.
Show me a family in Singapore that lives like this.... underfed, in rags, exposed to the elements and with a blank look of utter despair and I'll start believing the sob stories about "poverty" in Singapore.
Just take a look at the photos and videos featuring these so called victims of poverty and you'll see they're all well fed. No gaunt features, no sunken cheeks, no look of despair. They're all well fed, dressed in nice clothes and have a roof over their heads.
EG this guy is twice my weight at least :
As for "Sasha" I googled in order to find a photo of her and this is what came up :
https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/no-money-for-food-at-end-of-the-month
Are you honestly trying to tell me that this looks anything like poverty??? Nice house, all in nice clothes, nice furniture, A PET CAT!!, she is wearing some jewelry, she has a landline and one of her kids is considerably overweight!
If this family represents the bottom of the pile in Singapore I have to say that Singapore is one of the best countries in the world.
I'm sorry but you're going to have to be far more convincing.
Show me a family in Singapore that lives like this.... underfed, in rags, exposed to the elements and with a blank look of utter despair and I'll start believing the sob stories about "poverty" in Singapore.
Poverty in Sinkieland is no money, every dollar in the mkt the fuging gahman takes, I tink 80 cents left 20 cent for all Sinkies to rush. Even our Chee bye Fund they refuse to returned in full as agreed at 55.
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