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[Sg Video] - Singapore Almost Went To War Against Malaysia and Indonesia in 1991

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1:17, reasons why Singapore saw this wargame as a threat. To add: (4) Lack of notification. When countries conduct wargames, they would, as a matter of courtesy and prudence, inform their neighbours so that the neighbour would not be unduly worried, or respond inappropriately (like launch a counter attack). Malaysia did not inform Singapore. Interestingly, Indonesia let slip the information to Singapore. Which was nice of them. (5) 2:05 "The purpose of the exercise was to test the response of Malaysia and Indonesia in case a neighbouring country turned hostile." Hmmm.... I wonder which neighbouring country might they mean? Those dastardly Filipinos? The cunning Thais? Surely, they cannot mean sweet, innocent little Singapore? Oh but they left Singapore out of the wargame. That's telling.... I THINK THEY MEANT SINGAPORE! (6) New PM. In 1991 Goh Chok Tong had just taken over from Lee Kuan Yew as PM of Singapore. Meanwhile in Malaysia, Mahathir was still holding onto power and trying to catch up with Singapore/Lee Kuan Yew. While Lee Kuan Yew was PM, Mahathir would NEVER have tried to do a "Pukul Habis" or he would be the one to "habis". BUT.... with a new PM.... Mahathir (or Malaysia) wanted to test the new PM. See if he was as tough as LKY... Two things might happen. One, Goh Chok Tong panics and attacks Malaysia, or Two, Goh Chok Tong folds under pressure and LKY has to step back up as PM. Unfortunately (for Mahathir), PM Goh got advice from his generals and his ministers. And I suspect classified intelligence briefing as to the real intent of the wargames. PM Goh would be right to be reasonably sure that no attack is imminent, and that it was just an attempt to startle us. But he also went with his generals' advice to conduct mobilisation. National Day was a particularly vulnerable time for Singapore. The entire govt was gathered in one place. Singapore is small, and the site of the wargame was just minutes away by jet fighters. A consolidated attack could wipe out our entire govt. I am sure there were contingency plans for evacuating the Ministers in case of an attack, and emergency bomb shelters or makeshift shelters and evacuation plans. 1991 was a particularly "vulnerable" or uncertain year. LKY had handed over PMship to GCT, and this was the formal stepping down of our founding PM. Questions as to the continued viability of Singapore was pertinent. If Malaysia's wargame had panicked GCT into attacking Malaysia the premise of the wargame (at 2:05) "in case a neighbouring country turned hostile" would have been proven and given Malaysia the excuse to counter-attack and possibly re-take Singapore and maybe merge Singapore back into the Federation. At least in the Malaysian military's estimation. On the other hand, if GCT had a meltdown and LKY had to step back up, that would also have been humiliating and throw Singapore's viability and desirability as a investment destination into question. And Malaysia would also win. But neither of Malaysia's best and second best scenario emerged. PM Goh did not panic or fall to pieces. Singapore responded professionally, resolutely, and with commendable restraint. In the aftermath, there were some scoffing remarks from Malaysia about why Singapore "panicked" and had a mobilisation. IIRC, PM Goh said something along the lines of "I was not worried, but my generals advise that we should have a mobilisation, as a matter of prudence. So we did. I trust the Malaysians, but I pay my generals a lot, so I should listen to them."


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Side Note: Not only did the Malaysian and Indonesians not intimidate us, the speed at which we could mobilized our troops actually intimidated the Malaysian military top brass instead.
 
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Malaysia has quietly shown Singapore over how weak her security is. The most dramatic was when its commandos invaded its high security air missiles base in Bukit Batok overlooking the Straits of Johore and pasted Malaysian stamps on the missiles and replaced the Singapore flag on the commanding officer’s table with the Malaysian flag. Several Singapore officers resigned or were reassigned or demoted. The Malaysian major who carried out this operation, who is known by his nickame, Sam, is still around and in the business.

https://www.militaryofmalaysia.net/...sia-intrusion-into-singapore-missile-complex/
 

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arubin :

QUOTE(patienceGNR @ Dec 30 2013, 07:37 PM)
Malaysian soldiers and commandos will always be better than Singapore's. If Malaysia were to attack Singapore, they'll easily fall. Numbers and skills will win technology.
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Really? You think so? You forget that our soldiers will be attack a heavily URBANIZED location. I think even our own army specialists on this forum will admit that fighting in an urban area results in ridiculously high casualties for the attacker.

Than there's the civilians to worry about, or are you one of those idiots who also thinks that we can indiscriminately fire on civilians? Seriously? You don't have friends, family, or relatives working there?

You know what a war crime is, right? You want Malaysia to be regarded as the next Syria?

Would like to add that a large number of the Sg civilians are expats. You want to massacre citizens of US and Europe? Yeah...smart move...


QUOTE(zeroonetwo @ Dec 31 2013, 12:13 PM)

so if i don't pander to bullshit stories like "MSIAN KOMANDO TOTALLY PWNED SINKIE" means i hate Malaysia ?

tis type of bullshit concoction meni common amongst those pipul wan . that's what i iz want to pointed out


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arubin :

QUOTE(patienceGNR @ Dec 31 2013, 06:43 PM)

Consequences? Malaysia takes over Singapore yo
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Singapore will finally bow down to Malaysia and accept their defeat.

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Really? Let's explore this from a serious angle now shall we?

What have we gained? Any natural resources over there we can use? Nope. Singapore's value to the world is its human and financial resources. Both of which would cease to exist should there be a conquest of SG. The skilled civilians will flee as would the money. There's no way that our clumsy economic management will make them both return.

And victory would have been achieved at what cost? Remember that our troops will have to go INTO the island. There's no such nonsense as bombing it from a distance. If we're just going to shell them, they can shell us back AND do it with US fire support (you think the Pacific Fleet won't roll in to their rescue?). We'll need to go in, and we cannot dilly-dally about it either less the US and the UN intervene with their own ground forces.

So, what do you think of a rushed attack on an urban area? There will be lots of casualties for sure. A LOT on our side. More so than on their side, militarily speaking. Quite a lot of civilians casualties on SG's side too.

Either way, our population statistics will change. Let's see, most of our army are Malays. Most of SG's population is Chinese...the racial balance WILL change...and next election, we'll vote BN out.

Hey, maybe its not such a bad idea to invade SG after all...yeah, let's do it!!!
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Stupid analysis.

Malaysia and Indonesia has no inherent interest in taking over an island.

To do so they would have to very early on have to mobilise all their forces on the border to effect a quick move into the island, which did not happen.

Indonesia would have mobilised their navy and marines nearer Sg, which did not happen.

Granted, the exercise was just a test to gauge Sg response. LKY and GCT took this opportunity to drum into the local populace about the dangers their neighbours posed by calling for a mass mobilisation. It reinforces their bogeyman role and the need for NS and Total defense, which is just pure bull.
Because when the shit hits the fan, Sg will lose.
 
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