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Seah Chiang Nee's article drew response from Singapore Government

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http://sg.news.yahoo.com/-s’pore-refutes-commentary’s-points-on-ministerial-pay.html

S’pore refutes article’s remarks on ministerial pay

Singapore’s High Commissioner to Malaysia, Ong Keng Yong, has refuted the points on ministerial pay raised made by a veteran Singaporean journalist in a Malaysian English news daily.

In a letter dated Monday to Datuk Seri Wong Chun Wai, group chief editor of The Star, the commissioner gave a response to the opinion piece “PAP mood turns sour over pay cuts” written by Seah Chiang Nee and published by the paper on 7 January.

Below is a copy of the response by Ong in full:

1 In "PAP mood turns sour over pay cuts" (The Star, 7 Jan 2012), Mr Seah Chiang Nee interpreted the ministerial salary cuts recommended by the independent Review Committee as a repudiation of the policy put in place by then Prime Minister Lee Kuan Yew to pay competitive salaries to political leaders.

2 But Mr Seah is mistaken. In fact, the Committee explicitly upheld the principle that ministerial salaries must be competitive with what successful Singaporeans can earn in the private sector, so that people of the right calibre are not deterred from stepping forward to serve the country. While the Committee adjusted the specific formula and absolute level of the salaries in response to a new environment, it also reaffirmed the underlying principle and the reasons for maintaining competitive salaries.

3 Mr Seah is also incorrect in claiming that previous salary revision in 2007 gave ministers in Singapore an average pay rise of 60%. Actual salaries since 2007 have varied with the sharp up and down swings of the economy, and in 2010, the last full year under the previous structure, actual salaries were in fact slightly lower than in 2007. The reduction recommended by the Committee would take salaries about one third below this 2010 level.

4 Mr Seah acknowledges that "the public is moderately supportive of the measure". However, he goes on to quote several comments from online discussion boards, which he himself admits are "anonymous", but describes them as being "apparently written by unhappy insiders". As a very experienced Singapore journalist, Mr Seah surely knows that he must check his facts and sources, and not take anonymous online chatter at face value. His specific quotation from the Senior Minister of State Grace Fu, whom he wrongly identified as a former Senior Minister of State, in fact, contradicts his claim. Ms Fu was supporting the recommendations of the Committee, but merely cautioning against going too far, lest it makes it harder for a person considering political office.
 

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ong_Keng_Yong

From 1998 to 2002, he worked as an important aide to Prime Minister Goh Chok Tong, leaving that job in 2002. From 1999 to 2002, Ong was concurrently Chief Executive Director of the People's Association in Singapore, as well as Deputy Secretary at the Ministry of Information, Communication and the Arts.

Surprise! A dog defends his own kind.
 
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http://sg.news.yahoo.com/-s’pore-refutes-commentary’s-points-on-ministerial-pay.html

S’pore refutes article’s remarks on ministerial pay

Singapore’s High Commissioner to Malaysia, Ong Keng Yong, has refuted the points on ministerial pay raised made by a veteran Singaporean journalist in a Malaysian English news daily.

In a letter dated Monday to Datuk Seri Wong Chun Wai, group chief editor of The Star, the commissioner gave a response to the opinion piece “PAP mood turns sour over pay cuts” written by Seah Chiang Nee and published by the paper on 7 January.

Below is a copy of the response by Ong in full:

1 In "PAP mood turns sour over pay cuts" (The Star, 7 Jan 2012), Mr Seah Chiang Nee interpreted the ministerial salary cuts recommended by the independent Review Committee as a repudiation of the policy put in place by then Prime Minister Lee Kuan Yew to pay competitive salaries to political leaders.

2 But Mr Seah is mistaken. In fact, the Committee explicitly upheld the principle that ministerial salaries must be competitive with what successful Singaporeans can earn in the private sector, so that people of the right calibre are not deterred from stepping forward to serve the country. While the Committee adjusted the specific formula and absolute level of the salaries in response to a new environment, it also reaffirmed the underlying principle and the reasons for maintaining competitive salaries.

3 Mr Seah is also incorrect in claiming that previous salary revision in 2007 gave ministers in Singapore an average pay rise of 60%. Actual salaries since 2007 have varied with the sharp up and down swings of the economy, and in 2010, the last full year under the previous structure, actual salaries were in fact slightly lower than in 2007. The reduction recommended by the Committee would take salaries about one third below this 2010 level.

4 Mr Seah acknowledges that "the public is moderately supportive of the measure". However, he goes on to quote several comments from online discussion boards, which he himself admits are "anonymous", but describes them as being "apparently written by unhappy insiders". As a very experienced Singapore journalist, Mr Seah surely knows that he must check his facts and sources, and not take anonymous online chatter at face value. His specific quotation from the Senior Minister of State Grace Fu, whom he wrongly identified as a former Senior Minister of State, in fact, contradicts his claim. Ms Fu was supporting the recommendations of the Committee, but merely cautioning against going too far, lest it makes it harder for a person considering political office.

Good to see the pap reacting
 

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Ong Keng Yong asked Seah CN not to take online anonymous chatter at face value. If this is still the attitude adopted by the PAP towards netizens' views, then they are doing so at their own peril and can only mean an earlier demise for PAP. Everyone knows, anonymous as they may be, the views expressed on online forums represent the true feelings and thinking of the people.
 

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... As a very experienced Singapore journalist, Mr Seah surely knows that he must check his facts and sources, and not take anonymous online chatter at face value ...
shucks, man! ...

cannot take anonymous online chatter @ face value? ...

got sum burgers in real life can even call flood ponding! ... if dey show their face n show their name means can take dem @ face value, meh? ... :rolleyes:
 

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Ong's reply completely validates all our claims here that the whole Ministerial Review Recommendation is a fraud.

Scroobal was right (and others as well) that the C'ttee never departed from its premise to adhere to Old Man's formula, and merely set a convenient benchmark then gave the impression that it gave a massive discount to arrive at the present figures.

So Ong has confirmed that it is indeed a sham and once again, the shenanigans of PAP are at the fore and the "invisible hand' of the master at work.
 

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Ong's reply completely validates all our claims here that the whole Ministerial Review Recommendation is a fraud.

Scroobal was right (and others as well) that the C'ttee never departed from its premise to adhere to Old Man's formula, and merely set a convenient benchmark then gave the impression that it gave a massive discount to arrive at the present figures.

So Ong has confirmed that it is indeed a sham and once again, the shenanigans of PAP are at the fore and the "invisible hand' of the master at work.

Well said, kingrant! You're a testimony to the fact that there are many politically intelligent, mature and discerning people in this forum and others as well and yet Ong Keng Yong can suggest not to take us at face value.

I'd posted many times before that as long as the Old Fart is still alive, nothing will ever change. And even when he dies, any real change will come about only slowly, but at least there will be changes. For now, all changes are but cosmetic. Don't be fooled.
 

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3 Mr Seah is also incorrect in claiming that previous salary revision in 2007 gave ministers in Singapore an average pay rise of 60%. Actual salaries since 2007 have varied with the sharp up and down swings of the economy, and in 2010, the last full year under the previous structure, actual salaries were in fact slightly lower than in 2007. The reduction recommended by the Committee would take salaries about one third below this 2010 level.
Kind of vague. I interpret it as that in 2007, everyone got an average increase of 60%. Therefore, if the old 2007 salary is 100% then the new salary in 2007 is 160%. In 2010, the salary is slightly lower than in 2007 (should be the increased salary right??), say 150% of 2007 old salary. Then with the latest cut of 40% (of 150%), everyone will get 90% of 2007 old salary. Therefore, the effective salary reduction is only 10% from 2007 old salary lah. Is this what he is trying to tell us?
 
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Ong's reply completely validates all our claims here that the whole Ministerial Review Recommendation is a fraud.

Scroobal was right (and others as well) that the C'ttee never departed from its premise to adhere to Old Man's formula, and merely set a convenient benchmark then gave the impression that it gave a massive discount to arrive at the present figures.

So Ong has confirmed that it is indeed a sham and once again, the shenanigans of PAP are at the fore and the "invisible hand' of the master at work.


You and Scroobal are right, the Committee is just window dressing to save some political face. In fact, Siew K.H. pointed out on his blog that the TOR basically restrained the committee to base salary on the top private sector earners. Whether the top 48, or the top 1,000, the principle is the same. The basic philosophy has not changed, they still think political leaders must only be found in the top earners. The whole system is still based on numbers, money, KPIs, etc.
 

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It makes a fool of Gerard Ee and the entire committe and this despite Ee claiming at the very start that it will be a "different model". The pension was indeed a red herring.

Dr Ee Peng Lian is now truly out of his grave - uttering "my son the fool"


You and Scroobal are right, the Committee is just window dressing to save some political face. In fact, Siew K.H. pointed out on his blog that the TOR basically restrained the committee to base salary on the top private sector earners. Whether the top 48, or the top 1,000, the principle is the same. The basic philosophy has not changed, they still think political leaders must only be found in the top earners. The whole system is still based on numbers, money, KPIs, etc.
 

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Ong Keng Yong asked Seah CN not to take online anonymous chatter at face value. If this is still the attitude adopted by the PAP towards netizens' views, then they are doing so at their own peril and can only mean an earlier demise for PAP. Everyone knows, anonymous as they may be, the views expressed on online forums represent the true feelings and thinking of the people.

The PAP doggies have this peculiar thinking that anonymity is a sign of untrustworthiness (i.e. 'you must have something to hide, otherwise you would have identified yourself!'). What they do not realize that it was precisely the PAP's dark, unpleasant history of persecuting dissent that drove people into anonymity, and the Internet (except identifiable Facebook profiles) is the perfect platform for anonymity.

Also, this is precisely the condescending attitude that the people despise the PAP for. We ordinary citizens cannot discern or think for ourselves; we need some official bureaucrat or a spin doctor to hold our hand and help us determine the veracity of the information. Outrageous.

Do you know why Singapore still does not have a law that protects whistleblowers? It's because of scums like Ong Keng Yong.
 

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The PAP doggies have this peculiar thinking that anonymity is a sign of untrustworthiness (i.e. 'you must have something to hide, otherwise you would have identified yourself!'). What they do not realize that it was precisely the PAP's dark, unpleasant history of persecuting dissent that drove people into anonymity, and the Internet (except identifiable Facebook profiles) is the perfect platform for anonymity.

Also, this is precisely the condescending attitude that the people despise the PAP for. We ordinary citizens cannot discern or think for ourselves; we need some official bureaucrat or a spin doctor to hold our hand and help us determine the veracity of the information. Outrageous.

Do you know why Singapore still does not have a law that protects whistleblowers? It's because of scums like Ong Keng Yong.

A brilliant exposition of the true (and sad) state of affairs in S'pore. Good job, laksaboy. Forummers like laksaboy have consistently show up how much brains there are in this forum and yet PAP scums like Ong Keng Yong have their heads in the sand.
 

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I too thought it was brilliant. Took my breath away.

A brilliant exposition of the true (and sad) state of affairs in S'pore. Good job, laksaboy. Forummers like laksaboy have consistently show up how much brains there are in this forum and yet PAP scums like Ong Keng Yong have their heads in the sand.
 
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