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Religion of Peaceful: Indonesian Muslim imam who converted to Christianity accused of blasphemy, tortured in prison

duluxe

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https://www.ucanews.com/news/indonesian-christian-youtuber-tortured-in-detention/94216

An Indonesian Christian YouTuber who was detained for allegedly insulting the Prophet Muhammad claims he was brutally tortured by fellow prisoners.

Muhammad Kace, a former Muslim who converted to Christianity, has reported several of the prisoners, including high-ranking police officer Napoleon Bonaparte, a bribery convict.

Andi Rian Djadji, the national police’s director of general crimes, said Bonaparte had confessed during questioning.

“He and several other perpetrators beat Kace. They also covered his face and body with human feces,” he said.

In an open letter on Sept. 19, Bonaparte claimed that his actions were motivated by his anger over Kace’s video, which has not been removed from YouTube.

“Anyone can insult me, but not against my Allah, the Quran, the Prophet and my Islamic faith,” he said. “Therefore, I swear I will take any measured action against anyone who dares to do so.”

Anwar Abbas, deputy chairman of the Indonesian Ulema Council, said this case sends a message that the issue of blasphemy is a sensitive matter.

“No matter how high a person’s position is and no matter how great people’s knowledge of the law is, if their religion and beliefs are disturbed, then what will speak apart from ratios is also their feelings of faith,” he said in a statement, referring to Bonaparte, who is a two-star general and former head of the international division of the national police….

Kace has been detained since August after being reported by Muslim groups for allegedly insulting Islam and the Prophet Muhammad by claiming the prophet was “surrounded by devils and wilds.”

In a video, he said: “Muhammad is unknown by God and is only known by his followers because he is surrounded by devils.”

Police said he had uploaded at least 400 videos on YouTube insulting Islam.

Kace, who used to be an Islamic cleric in West Java, reportedly began criticizing Islam after he was baptized a Christian in 2014.

While a Muslim, he taught at an Islamic boarding school and went on the hajj pilgrimage to Mecca in Saudi Arabia three times.
 

duluxe

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“They wish you would disbelieve as they disbelieved so you would be alike. So do not take from among them allies until they emigrate for the cause of Allah. But if they turn away, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them and take not from among them any ally or helper.” (Qur’an 4:89)
 

syed putra

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“They wish you would disbelieve as they disbelieved so you would be alike. So do not take from among them allies until they emigrate for the cause of Allah. But if they turn away, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them and take not from among them any ally or helper.” (Qur’an 4:89)
The above verses are confusing.why would anyone want to kill another for having a difference of opinion?
 

Loofydralb

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“They wish you would disbelieve as they disbelieved so you would be alike. So do not take from among them allies until they emigrate for the cause of Allah. But if they turn away, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them and take not from among them any ally or helper.” (Qur’an 4:89)
Don't be deceitful. Read on to verse 90:

"except those who are allies of a people you are bound with in a treaty or those wholeheartedly opposed to fighting either you or their own people. If Allah had willed, He would have empowered them to fight you. So if they refrain from fighting you and offer you peace, then Allah does not permit you to harm them."
 

JohnTan

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They should beat him up too.

Jesus and his disciples did not go around beating up and killing people for changing religion.

moslems beat up and kill people for leaving islam because their so-called prophet was quoted in the hadith saying to kill people for leaving islam.
 

duluxe

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Don't be deceitful. Read on to verse 90:

"except those who are allies of a people you are bound with in a treaty or those wholeheartedly opposed to fighting either you or their own people. If Allah had willed, He would have empowered them to fight you. So if they refrain from fighting you and offer you peace, then Allah does not permit you to harm them."
any muslim leader or caliphate would pay attention to 4:90 the infidel world would be better accepted by them.

how many believers take the verse sayings "no compulsion in religion seriously"?

if your bro were to leave islam,.how your family would react?
 

JohnTan

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Every believing muslim who reads his Quran and learns how to practise it by following the examples of the prophet

The examples of the moslem "prophet" are in the hadith, the final revelation of islam. The examples of the moslem "prophet" include highway robbery, kidnapping, slavery, human trafficking, sexual assault of women, killing of people who leave islam, killing critics. That's why you see so much of these type of behavior in deeply islamic places.
 

Loofydralb

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The examples of the moslem "prophet" are in the hadith, the final revelation of islam. The examples of the moslem "prophet" include highway robbery, kidnapping, slavery, human trafficking, sexual assault of women, killing of people who leave islam, killing critics. That's why you see so much of these type of behavior in deeply islamic places.
Your erroneous. The hadiths is not a revelation.

And please show us where those are allowed and its context both in the Quran and the hadiths. Will be your next error.

But I understand. Its from someone who believes in a fake book attributed to god, which god himself never claimed.
 

JohnTan

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Your erroneous. The hadiths is not a revelation.

That's your own personal opinion. Mainstream sonni mohammedan theology states that to be a proper moslem, you have to believe in both the quran and the hadiths.

And please show us where those are allowed and its context both in the Quran and the hadiths. Will be your next error.

The context is that moslems take muhammad's behavior as the standard of what is right and wrong in the quran. So if muhammad banged kids during his time in 630 AD, it is still okay to bang kids in 2021 AD. That's why in deeply islamic places like kelantan, aceh and afghanistan, moslem scholars who studied islam for decades ruled that child marriages should continue and that pedophilia is not a crime in islam. moslem scholars in Singapore rule that pedophilia is wrong in islam only because in Singapore, moslems are the minority, and PAP long ago intervened in islamic teachings to make moslems civilized and to keep kids safe from old men preying on them in the name of religion.

But I understand. Its from someone who believes in a fake book attributed to god, which god himself never claimed.

That again, is your own minority belief. The terms "Bible" and "Gospel" are equated to words like encyclopedia and truth in everyday use. The moslem quran, is not equated as truth by most people.

Even in the moslem quran, the moslem god describes himself as the best of liars. It is also recorded that parts of the quran was lost for posterity when a goat ate pages of the manuscripts. It is also recorded that arab scribes edited the quran to correct and improve muhammad's original recitation, which again, were taken from existing Gospel scrolls and Jewish Torah in circulation during that time.
 
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