Re-confirmed F-15 is a flying piece of junk

[tun_dr_m]

No computer software is designed even to fly a one-winged plane. However by coincident it had at least one success in that F-15 case. There must had been lots of luck and fortunate conditions, e.g. have the right elevation, distance to airfield, speed, weather / wind etc. Basically if you lost a wing you lost lift & balance. Tail will still kept you going forward, you can glide in a very rough way, with computer compensating the strong tendency to roll like no body's business. It would be very uncontrollable to fly or even sustain. So only when it happened in very favourable conditions of height distance speed etc to the airfield that chance can come by.


Pilots are very afraid of flight computer software lots of time. They had made lots of complain about them. They had blamed lots of incidents / accidents on flight computer software. Pilots' control these days are only inputs to the computer and computer is in control of plane instead of pilots. Lots of time the computers are not doing what the pilots wanted or expected or needed.

Only in old small planes the pilots actually controlled the real flight control surfaces (rudder elevator aileron) with cables and mechanical linkage.

e.g. this guy:

 

[Unrepented]

The case happened early in the life cycle of the F15 when the us began exporting the aircraft. According to accounts, the F15 in the IAF had a training accident during a dog fight. Agreed that engine thrust, airspeed, wind and other conditions played a part. But the interesting part is the it was still stable with one wing and the pilot didnt even notice the missing wing until he landed.:p

Btw, thanks for pointing me to the article.

 

[singveld]

It's ok for a person to want to have the last word because of ego.

But do youself a favour and read the quote below and learn something from people with some substance in their skull.

yeah which fool did you listen to, early F-15 do not have fly by wire, later F-15 have fly by wire, but it still have mechanical control.
what computer control the plane to safety?

you are the brainless fool who just follow the monkey.

 

[tun_dr_m]

yeah which fool did you listen to, early F-15 do not have fly by wire, later F-15 have fly by wire, but it still have mechanical control.
what computer control the plane to safety?

you are the brainless fool who just follow the monkey.

Fly by wire is only a term. Before that term planes are already electromechanical control and there are still analogue electronics servo etc coupled with sensors to help pilots.

http://www.f15sim.com/operation/f15_hydro_mech.html

F-15 is hydro mechanical flight control assisted with electronics.

 

[red amoeba]

I heard for planes today, it is actually possible to land & take off by computers.

the latest A380 for example, can actually take off n land by itself....the question, is why u nid the damm pilots?

of cse, the instant reaction / decision making by human far exceeds that of computer - you can program 1001 action reaction sequence, but there will always be the 1002nd action reaction that can only be executed by human. And of cse, machines always have a minute chance of breaking down / malfunction.

second reason is of course, the psychological factor - no passengers will feel safe travelling in a plane without human control.

third, is because pilots need to earn & keep their wings by the number landings / take offs.

 

[clairvoyant]

I heard for planes today, it is actually possible to land & take off by computers.

the latest A380 for example, can actually take off n land by itself....the question, is why u nid the damm pilots?

of cse, the instant reaction / decision making by human far exceeds that of computer - you can program 1001 action reaction sequence, but there will always be the 1002nd action reaction that can only be executed by human. And of cse, machines always have a minute chance of breaking down / malfunction.

second reason is of course, the psychological factor - no passengers will feel safe travelling in a plane without human control.

third, is because pilots need to earn & keep their wings by the number landings / take offs.

But can we trust humans? I have no faith with human pilots:

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2009/10/26/report-pilots-distracted-laptops-discussion-cockpit/
Report: Pilots Were Distracted by Laptops, Discussion in Cockpit

Published October 26, 2009

| FOXNews.com

The Northwest Pilots who overshot a Minnesota runway by 150 miles last week told investigators they were using their personal laptops in the cockpit, a violation of company policy, according to a National Transportation Safety Board advisory.

The two pilots, interviewed separately on Sunday, told investigators they lost track of time when they used their laptops while in a “concentrated period of discussion” about the new monthly crew flight scheduling system.

The system reportedly changed after the Northwest-Delta merger.

The pilots told NTSB officials that they had not been monitoring the airplane or calls from Air Traffic Control at that time, according to the report.

Both pilots said they heard conversation on the radio, but failed to notice messages that were sent by dispatchers. It wasn’t until a flight attendant called the pilots about five minutes before the flight was scheduled to land that they realized they had passed the airport, according to the report.

Fighters from two North American Aerospace Defense Command sites were put on alert for the plane when it was not responding to radio calls from the Federal Aviation Administration, NORAD reported.

The alert was called off once the FAA re-established communications with the pilots, according to NORAD.

Both pilots told investigators that they did not fall asleep nor have a heated argument, according to the advisory.

The Wall Street Journal reported that additional factors also may have contributed to protracted radio silence.

NTSB spokesman Keith Holloway said investigators interviewed the pilot and co-pilot in person in Minneapolis.

The agency also interviewed the three flight attendants on Monday, Fox News has learned.

Northwest Airlines is cooperating and conducting its own internal investigation, said Chris Kelly, a spokesman for Northwest Airlines' parent company, Delta Air Lines Inc.

Air traffic controllers tried for more than an hour Wednesday night to contact the Airbus A320 Minneapolis-bound flight, which later turned around and landed safely. There were 144 passengers on the flight.

The NTSB said it will continue its investigation.

 

[Unrepented]

Anyway, the pilot didn't notice that he was flying with only one wing until he landed his F15.

The pilot's skill had the least weightage in the whole equation during that particular incident, in that he did not take any extraordinary actions, except to increase speed to return to base after the accident.........go figure........... to avoid bringing up irrelevant factors that reverberates your arrogant and ignorant behaviour.

My grandfather taught me when I was in kindergarden; One who laughs first, laughs last.:o

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yeah which fool did you listen to, early F-15 do not have fly by wire, later F-15 have fly by wire, but it still have mechanical control.
what computer control the plane to safety?

you are the brainless fool who just follow the monkey.

 

[singveld]

Anyway, the pilot didn't notice that he was flying with only one wing until he landed his F15.

The pilot's skill had the least weightage in the whole equation during that particular incident, in that he did not take any extraordinary actions, except to increase speed to return to base after the accident.........go figure........... to avoid bringing up irrelevant factors that reverberates your arrogant and ignorant behaviour.

My grandfather taught me when I was in kindergarden; One who laughs first, laughs last.:o

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you are the fool who show me the thread about computer helping him, where early F-15 do not even have fly by wire, what computer are you talking about? stop talking about F-15 if you know nuts about it.