Ptader, LTK, WP & Racism

[Fook Seng]

Very happy? Non. Appeased? Oui! Voters contented with the policy measures implemented by the PAP over the last 6 months would adopt a wait and see approach to see if it pans out. Since the WP offers nothing new to the table, while the PAP have so much more to offer. If they backpedal on the issues of the day, we can always vote the WP then. They are not going to disappear! They will still be there for us to register our unhappiness for the ruling government. That is why the PAP allowed WP to exist. Surely you are not blind to see that, are you?

I could ask you the same question myself. Are you very happy with the WP's performance?

To be honest my idea of performance is quite different from yours. For example I don't see slamming yourself against a wall as good performance and the harder the better. I feel striking fear with guerrilla warfare and gaining ground with the enemy not able to do anything about it as a superior strategy. The Vietnamese achieved that in the Vietnam War against the mighty Americans. Results tell. I have no problem with WP's performance. And we need SDP to do the same to take one-third of the seats from the PAP.

 

[mojito]

To be honest my idea of performance is quite different from yours. For example I don't see slamming yourself against a wall as good performance and the harder the better. I feel striking fear with guerrilla warfare and gaining ground with the enemy not able to do anything about it as a superior strategy. The Vietnamese achieved that in the Vietnam War against the mighty Americans.

Which specific instances involving the WP made you feel satisfied with their performance? What has the WP done after winning 6 seats in the parliament? Were they capable co-drivers or meek passengers in parliament? Tell me.

 

[SgParent]

The article appeared in The Hammer in August 1995 on the first Tamil Language Week.

PAP's Jayakumar, Shanmugam, Vasoo, Sinnakaruppan and Chadra Das sued in 1996.

Contrary to Low's convenient and heroic "I-save-the-party" narrative, his whispering campaigns and his backstabbing of JBJ predated the 1995 article and the 1996 lawsuit. His one-man campaign to destabiise the leadership of JBJ, his whispering campaigns and his badmouthing started when JBJ was in prison in 1986. That's 9 years before the article and 10 years before the lawsuit.

Low was using the then mullticulturalist WP which was committed to multiculturalism as a Trojan Horse and a convenient cover to pursue his chauvinistic agenda.

So you are saying Ah Low's target was JBJ, not minorities as you'd previously put it?

Any proof? PTader said so is not counted ok?

Btw why now then you choose to air such opinion/accusation when WP is expected to take on the White Scums in PE BE? With such intensity some more.

You just woke up from a 20, 25yr coma? Some 20, 25yr anniversary? Or to smear WP at the critic moment to benefit the White Scums?

 

[Fook Seng]

Which specific instances involving the WP made you feel satisfied with their performance? What has the WP done after winning 6 seats in the parliament? Were they capable co-drivers or meek passengers in parliament? Tell me.

They work their guerrilla fighters on the ground well and strengthened their footholds. They did not bang themselves against the wall in parliament and injuring themselves or have to ask for forgiveness or apologise, affecting their next election chances. They got themselves into a few parliamentary committees where their inputs will be better heard, knowing that they cannot outvote PAP in parliament. They actually have a long term plan to take over and not just to simply carry out hit and runs. They know.

 

[scroobal]

1) whispering campaigns and backstabbing by LTK if true might be reflective of an ambitious chap. But I think you give LTK too much credit. My sense is that lawsuit was due to JBJ's negligence. Furthermore LTK did not write the article but Balakrishnan did. If anyone, Balakrishnan damaged JBJ more than anyone else.

2) chauvinistic agenda? I really don't see this at all.

3) Trojan horse? To achieve what? Restore Nantah?

Contrary to Low's convenient and heroic "I-save-the-party" narrative, his whispering campaigns and his backstabbing of JBJ predated the 1995 article and the 1996 lawsuit. His one-man campaign to destabiise the leadership of JBJ, his whispering campaigns and his badmouthing started when JBJ was in prison in 1986. That's 9 years before the article and 10 years before the lawsuit.

Low was using the then mullticulturalist WP which was committed to multiculturalism as a Trojan Horse and a convenient cover to pursue his chauvinistic agenda.

 

[mojito]

They work their guerrilla fighters on the ground well and strengthened their footholds.

What guerrilla fights and footholds? Forgive me, I do not understand your strange metaphors. What on earth are you referring to?

They got themselves into a few parliamentary committees where their inputs will be better heard, knowing that they cannot outvote PAP in parliament.

I was not aware of that. Can you name these committees? And what were the results of these closed-door committees? Were there overseas junkets to do further bonding with the PAP?

They actually have a long term plan to take over and not just to simply carry out hit and runs.

Which is to stay credible, lay low and collect votes from people unhappy with the PAP. No need to argue with the PAP or fight for your interests.

They know.

That if they fielded a parrot under WP, some voters will still vote the bird to spite the PAP.

That is why, a strong message need to be sent. Come January 26, deliver a black eye to the WP!

 

[PTADER]

The Workers Party, The "Cina Bukit Party" & The "Manjan Party"

The contemptible racial chauvinism and groupthink that WP members/astroturfers, chauvinists, racists and "Guess The Race" racial bigots suffer from, have led them to be unrealistic and to believe that the WP can possibly win the PE by-election.

Here is why the WP will not win. The 21% minority Malays and Indians, whilsts not spread out equally, nevertheless constitutes a small but very significant voting bloc throughout the island.

The Malays and Indians gave a chance to the WP in Aljunied in the last GE. Their conditional support and votes were instrumental in helping WP secure the GRC. However, their views and lingering suspicions of the WP being a Chinese chauvinist party has now been cemented. It does not help when the WP members/astroturfers, WP Chinese chauvinists, WP racists and WP "Guess The Race" racial bigots, clearly emboldened by WP and Low Thia Khiang's electoral success, make thoroughly offensive, disparaging and denigrating remarks about them, the Malays and Indians.

Nothing is too kosher for this pack of rabid WP Chinese Chauvinists and WP Chinese racist bigots. The Malays and Indians have been denigrated as being "shitskin", "smelly", "m&ds", "lazy, "good for nothing", and all the extremely offensive terms and descriptions that White Supremacists use to describe Africans, indigenous people and what would be ironical, these Chinese Chauvinists who use terms and descriptions that White Supremacists hold and use against non-White minorities.

It is not for nothing that the Workers Party is referred to by the Malays as the "Cina Bukit" party, a name translating roughly to Chinese hillibilies. In essence, a Chinese Chauvinists party.

The Indians refer to the Workers Party as a "Manjan Party". "Manjan" means "yellow skin".

The Malays and Indians have noted a steep rise in Chinese chauvinism and contemptible racial bigotry with the WP and Low Thia Khiang's electoral success. They instinctively know that it will be even worse for them if this Cina Bukit Party and The Manjan Party succeeds even further. Their interests and multiracialism will be sidelined, their spaces further reduced and they will be subjected to even more intense racial bigotry by the WP members/astroturfers, WP Chinese chauvinists, WP racists and WP "Guess The Race" racial bigots.

For this reason, with or without calls for the Malays or Indians to vote against the WP, the minorities will do so. It will be vote any party but the Cina Bukit Party and the Manjan Party for the Malay and Indian minorities. Combined with the many reasonable non-Chinese Chauvinists out there who are prepared to look after our Malay and Indian brothers and sisters and to given them space, we will, together, defeat these WP chauvinists and racial bigots.

My message to my Malay and Indian brothers and sisters is this. Cast your vote for any party other than the Cina Bukit Party and the Manjan Party. Together, we, the non-Chinese Chauvinists along with our Malay brothers and sisters, will defeat the Workers Party and their hardcore racists and contemptible racial bigots.

Please continue with your good work in spreading this message to your relatives, friends and communities. Thank you.

 

[steffychun]

David Marshall never invent the laws which say Malays should get free education and exemption from NS

 

[SgParent]

Your silence is deafening http://www.sammyboy.com/showthread.php?140463-Ptader-LTK-WP-amp-Racism&p=1374744#post1374744

By repeating the same baseless, madman accusation in different form, you expect it to become commonly accepted?

I'd suggest you create another nick to post any new fantasies of yours. To me, "PTader" has no credibility and could only make baseless, madman accusations

 

[Fook Seng]

What guerrilla fights and footholds? Forgive me, I do not understand your strange metaphors. What on earth are you referring to?

I was not aware of that. Can you name these committees? And what were the results of these closed-door committees? Were there overseas junkets to do further bonding with the PAP?

Which is to stay credible, lay low and collect votes from people unhappy with the PAP. No need to argue with the PAP or fight for your interests.

That if they fielded a parrot under WP, some voters will still vote the bird to spite the PAP.

That is why, a strong message need to be sent. Come January 26, deliver a black eye to the WP!

Guerrilla fights meaning fighting on the ground, gradually winning over the people. You don't have to wear your objectives on your sleeves all the time. After some time, even if you use a loudhailer, nobody will listen to you. Guerrilla warfare means after hitting your target, run. Don't stay back and get hammered. Worst of all is put up some hasty defense to be used by the enemy as target practice.

Stay low while doing your slow erosion of enemy defenses is an integral part of guerrilla warfare.

So you also understand the power of this strategy? Even fielding a parrot, they will still win but they don't field parrots, they field snipers which is part of guerrilla warfare tactics. Apply the tactics and weapons where they serve the greatest effect. Don't use howitzers in close combat. You will get mauled.

Yes. They will send a strong message on 26 January.

 

[PTADER]

Btw why now then you choose to air such opinion/accusation when WP is expected to take on the White Scums in PE BE? With such intensity some more. You just woke up from a 20, 25yr coma? Some 20, 25yr anniversary? Or to smear WP at the critic moment to benefit the White Scums?

I have aired some of this in the past. You may be fairly new if you think I did not air such issues before.

As I have said in another thread, the WP old guards, despite their utmost disgust and contempt for Low Thia Khiang, wanted to let bygones be bygones, hence we have gone quiet for a while, particularly in the last election.

But the rise and intensity of the racial bigotry of the WP's Chinese Chauvinists and "Guess the Race" racial bigots and the SAPS half-brains, all no doubt emboldened by Low's and the WP's electoral success, indicate that they and their primordial ethnic barbaric leanings must be kept in check. It will lead to a very troubled future for Singapore if such racial chauvinism, racism and bigotry is not kept in check and is instead, allowed to flourish.

I am doing a small part in helping out in this checks.

 

[SgParent]

I have aired some of this in the past. You may be fairly new if you think I did not air such issues before.

You are right. I am new so pls forgive me if I suspected your agenda/motive at this critical moment (for PE BE only lah) to smear WP (and to help the White Scums?)

As I have said in another thread, the WP old guards, despite their utmost disgust and contempt for Low Thia Khiang, wanted to let bygones be bygones, hence we have gone quiet for a while, particularly in the last election.

Not true. Or maybe you just dunno what the other old guards well enough.

At in the other forums there have been consistent whispers, potshots. The intensity seems to go way up during GE. So you really need to understand where I'm coming from.

One thing that puzzled me is these individuals seem to mixed the White Scums' policies and the common people. Eg they would readily blame the Chinese for the White Scums' Speak Mandarin campaign. Or for the White Scums' eudcation policies (Higher Chinese, SAP Schools).

What do you think?

But the rise and intensity of the racial bigotry of the WP's Chinese Chauvinists and "Guess the Race" racial bigots and the SAPS half-brains, all no doubt emboldened by Low's and the WP's electoral success, indicate that they and their primordial ethnic barbaric leanings must be kept in check. It will lead to a very troubled future for Singapore if such racial chauvinism, racism and bigotry is not kept in check and is instead, allowed to flourish.

I am doing a small part in helping out in this checks.

So far I've not seen any proof. Zero. Only circumstantial ones which anyone could equally easily interpret them in many other ways. Just like the cases with Forgetful Gomez, Bro Eric Tan, Rabid GohMS leaving, one could have accused Ah Low of being jealous they have most prosperous tummy than he does.

Btw besides WP, what do you think about the White Scums, esp Old White Scum with his Hard Truth or the unwritten rule in SAF? You know if you are truly serious about checking such racial bigotry, primordial ethnic barbaric leanings, surely you want to be (seen?) as comprehensive as possible. By targeting WP only, the daft, silent Majority may wonder more about your agenda/motive instead of your good intended message.

I think Old/Pinky White Scum seems to be particularly fond of Indians, Eurasians, so I'm not going to ask for your comment there, unless you wanted to.



1 thing to add, I'm no WP member, supporter, volunteer, etc, etc. Just someone who sees the post GE2011 WP (used to be SDP) as my best hope to save what's left of Singapore for myself and my children. I'm sure the White Scums know so as well so I'll not be surprised if they will mobilize every available resource/means to smear their #1 threat (used to be SDP).

 

[SgParent]

They work their guerrilla fighters on the ground well and strengthened their footholds. They did not bang themselves against the wall in parliament and injuring themselves or have to ask for forgiveness or apologise, affecting their next election chances. They got themselves into a few parliamentary committees where their inputs will be better heard, knowing that they cannot outvote PAP in parliament. They actually have a long term plan to take over and not just to simply carry out hit and runs. They know.

I thought my "vote for competition that always, always benefits the consumers" is confusing enough. I think this time you beat me easily.

Just say WP is
- fortifying their newly won territory instead of expanding/spreading themselves too thin, too fast, until the White Scums can pick them apart easily
- strike tactically to maximize returns instead of wasting ammo on everything under the Sun lah.

 

[jswyodn]

and if your sources are so accurate... then they will know that beside michelle Lee, there is another high profile GE candidate who have defect to WP.....
the person have been in WP for more than 4 months

can you name the person.... ?

Who? I'm looking through the list of candidates in 2011 and the high-profile ones are still listed in the CECs of their respective parties.

 

[wwabbit]

Looking at what happened to Tang Liang Hong, I think if Low Thia Khiang is really a Chinese Chauvinist as he is insuinuated to be, then the PAP would have whacked him for it long time ago already.

 

[yellowarse]

Looking at what happened to Tang Liang Hong, I think if Low Thia Khiang is really a Chinese Chauvinist as he is insuinuated to be, then the PAP would have whacked him for it long time ago already.

If you read PTader's posts carefully, he's saying PAP has a double standard.

If a Chinese chauvinist (LTK) plays by PAP rules, they close two eyes. Lots of Chinese chauvinists within PAP as well. One of them suffers from night blindness in Serangoon Road.

If a Chinese chauvinist (TLH) chooses to rock the boat, he gets smashed down.

 

[Cosmos10]

@SgParent, you said to PTADER "...your agenda/motive at this critical moment (for PE BE only lah) to smear WP (and to help the White Scums?)". I notice this phrase all the time from the WP supporters. If I say anything that is not pleasant about the WP, they will say I am a mole, or I am a troll, for the PAP. Come on, do you know there is a fairly large group of opposition who is anti PAP and anti WP, but we are still opposition. WP must remember they are NOT the ONLY opposition party in Singapore.

 

[scroobal]

Don't be silly. Lets not play the victim. The allegations of racism etc are bad and can be damaging. WP is not exactly a conventional political party. It seems to me a municipal council that appears to be good at municpal affairs. But they are the only ones getting results.

Ptader and others can easily register a political party and go hammer and tongs to get a multi-racial political party going. The licence is not given only to WP.

So what you are called a mole? I am sure you are not so fragile as to run and hide under your mother's skirt. Grow some balls and put across your views.

Look at SDP, despite all these years of full frontal attack on the PAP cannot event work a simple strategy of engaging voters. Got no time to walk the ground, but got time to fly to Yale, attend political meetings in Egypt, Thailand, UN etc. Then after all that come with the most bizarre proposal.

@SgParent, you said to PTADER "...your agenda/motive at this critical moment (for PE BE only lah) to smear WP (and to help the White Scums?)". I notice this phrase all the time from the WP supporters. If I say anything that is not pleasant about the WP, they will say I am a mole, or I am a troll, for the PAP. Come on, do you know there is a fairly large group of opposition who is anti PAP and anti WP, but we are still opposition. WP must remember they are NOT the ONLY opposition party in Singapore.

 

[Cosmos10]

Scroobal, you may not agree with me. IMHO, SDP is the party to watch for the next GE in 2016. They have learned their lessons, and they do have some very good people (whom the public have not known about yet). It is not true that they do not walk the ground. They do, just not reported by the news, that's all.

 

[wwabbit]

@SgParent, you said to PTADER "...your agenda/motive at this critical moment (for PE BE only lah) to smear WP (and to help the White Scums?)". I notice this phrase all the time from the WP supporters. If I say anything that is not pleasant about the WP, they will say I am a mole, or I am a troll, for the PAP. Come on, do you know there is a fairly large group of opposition who is anti PAP and anti WP, but we are still opposition. WP must remember they are NOT the ONLY opposition party in Singapore.

Being a constructive poster on this forum requires a thick skin. Sure there are retarded WP supporters that will troll you, but they aren't any worse than the SDP and PAP trolls around. No matter what your position is, someone will accuse you of being some IB shit. Thankfully such people are in the minority, you just need to mentally filter them out. After which you can get to proper discussion about which brand of opposition works and which doesn't.