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PAP's Neglect/Mismanagement of Sports

zhihau

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How high are we talking abt? Civil serpents love to use staff attrition rates to justify everything from pay increases to outsourcing their work to commercial vendors.

you're mistaken, bro, my intention of pointing out the high attrition rate has nothing to do with any justification for higher pay, in fact, me thought that the teachers in Singapore are relatively well paid compared to their counter parts elsewhere in the world. me support your idea of letting the PE teachers take charge of the physical education bit instead of letting vendors do it. only thing is the high attrition rate that bogs the whole process.
 

zhihau

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There is no govt emphasis on promoting Sports and reaping the benefits of Sports in SG. This will be very bad for SG in the future.

you mean you guys didn't see the advertisement on TV? the one with the jingle "come out, and play"?
 

TracyTan866

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you're mistaken, bro, my intention of pointing out the high attrition rate has nothing to do with any justification for higher pay, in fact, me thought that the teachers in Singapore are relatively well paid compared to their counter parts elsewhere in the world. me support your idea of letting the PE teachers take charge of the physical education bit instead of letting vendors do it. only thing is the high attrition rate that bogs the whole process.

agree that as far as possible, teachers shd teach. getting vendors to teaxch is not a good solution.

teachers shd teach and not be overburdened by other duties!
 

zhihau

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no..i dont watch pap propaganda..

in that advert, folks were encouraged to pick up some form physical activities instead of burying oneself with work or sitting in front of the TV/PC :o:o:o
was looking out if there were any sublimal messages included to suggest having more sexual activities, couldn't find any :p:p:p
 

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How come our national stadium are so ill planned and resulted in singapore not having a national stadium for donkey years...
 

TracyTan866

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in that advert, folks were encouraged to pick up some form physical activities instead of burying oneself with work or sitting in front of the TV/PC :o:o:o
was looking out if there were any sublimal messages included to suggest having more sexual activities, couldn't find any :p:p:p

ic..was the advert effective?
 

Fook Seng

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There was planning involved? :eek:

I think the objectives to many things were set wrong. Sometimes secondary, often conflicting, objectives were put into the idea.

Take for instance the Sports Hub. The central idea was to find a sucker to bear the risk in a very substantial investment, not to get a good stadium done properly and expediently. The investor found his mistake early enough but not before making great losses. The motor circuit in Changi is likely to repeat history.

Another example is the immigration policy. Although the pretext used was to compensate for a fall in TFR, the end result was a drastic increase in population of more than a million in only 10 years. Lucky Tan could be right - it appeared like there was a dislocation of what was required to what was implemented by some 20 odd years - what you need as numbers only in 20 years' time, you take them in now.

But look at it in another way, it could be a case of multiple objectives. Not only is arresting falling TFR an objective but micro-engineering a desired racial mix was an important objective and mind you PRC immigrants do not reproduce themselves in large numbers nowadays with their concept of one child family strongly ingrained in their heads, so they must be brought in in larger numbers than what it might have been which in turn required a large intake of Indians, giving the outcome that we all know.

Some people went to the extent to suggest that the whole exercise was to raise money from a larger economy brought about by a larger population to compensate for heavy losses in overseas investment.

It is pertinent to note an observation that Singapore has invested an amount equivalent to 70% of our GDP or some US$140 billion in European banks. The common wisdom is that these banks will suffer great, maybe incapacitating, losses due to investment in increasingly junk-rated bonds.

As recently as last month, some senior investment officer of our country's investment team proudly announced that we would be investing more into Europe to catch prices at the low in a contrarian way. They do this thing with what essentially is our pension fund? What if the downturn last a full economic cycle? Isn't the European Crisis a more structural problem than even the 2008 Crisis?

I am concerned because, to me, there is one very sick concept propagated by a well-regarded consultant that you do not need to react to any up and down because if your horizon is long enough, your investment return in USD will be around 12 % pa. But time is money. A cycle that takes 5 years to fully recover, like the Great Depression, for instance, will wipe off 85% to 90% of your money when compared with taking out the money and investing at a better time or not investing until the time is more right and the trend more clear.

If all these did not make much sense, then maybe there was no other choice. Much like a gambler who lost so much money that the only way out was to bet even heavier to try to win back the losses, high risk not a factor in the equation. For such a gambler, what is your usual suggestion for action?
 
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TracyTan866 said:
From what you said, it is quite obvious that you dont play sports nor are you familiar with Sports.

Sports development should not come from hatching a plan how to win medals. It should be finding ways to have as many people as possible to participate in sports and enjoy it. Only when you have mass participation, then you can find winners. There is such a thing as a sports culture. Some countries have it. I doubt we have it.
 
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TracyTan866 said:
Good points.

There is no govt emphasis on promoting Sports and reaping the benefits of Sports in SG. This will be very bad for SG in the future.

Paying just lip service is not good enough. We need to see govt leadership in action for Sports.

Buying foreign talent to win medals and glory is a sure killer!

How do schools promote sports? As the primary aim is to win medals, students are asked what they can play and tests are carried out to determine who can fit into the school team and training is conducted for this selected group of athletes. There is no programme for mass participation in sports.
 

Fook Seng

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zhihau said:
me think they gave up after looking at Woody leading the Great Singapore Work-out in the 90s :o:o:o

That kind of programme is one off. When I say mass participation in sports, I mean sports like football, table-tennis, badminton, rugby, bowling, swimming, fencing etc just for the fun of it, not necessarily to represent the school or house, just yourself. Have these played during periods allocated for sports and it should be used for things like gardening or sweeping the floor or clearing a room.
 

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zhihau said:
thought the casino bars certain folks in their list? oh wait, stock markets willing buyer willing seller :(:(:(

Here we are talking about buyer not using his own money and seller not using his own shares. Also owners or shareholders not necessarily willing to take such risk.
 
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