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PAP thinks 10 m population doable but will settle for 6.9 million

winnipegjets

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By Janice Heng
The Straits Times
Tuesday, Apr 30, 2013

SINGAPORE - Singapore should look beyond 2030 and plan for a more distant future - perhaps even one with 10 million people, former chief planner Liu Thai Ker said at a public forum on Saturday.

"The world doesn't end in 2030, and population growth doesn't end at 6.9 million," he said, referring to the planning parameter in the Government's White Paper on Population.

Singapore could do well to look ahead, perhaps to 2100 when it might have a population of 10 million, he suggested.

Mr Liu was one of five speakers at a forum organised by the Singapore Institute of Planners (SIP) and co-hosted by the National University of Singapore's Department of Architecture, on the topic of planning for 2030.

Mr Liu, who used to head the Housing Board, argued that population growth is necessary for economic growth. And since Singapore's land area is essentially fixed, higher density is thus inevitable.

But he was optimistic that "high density and a better living environment are mutually compatible". Liveability can be preserved with adequate amenities, buffers of greenery, and alternating denser and less dense areas.

Another speaker, ophthalmologist Geh Min, urged a more cautious approach towards development. The past president of the Nature Society argued that preserving green and heritage spaces helps build national identity.

Tussles between citizens and urban planners over areas such as Bukit Brown, a cemetery set to have a road built through it, show "that there are people in Singapore who care about the country - not just their neighbourhood, but the larger Singapore".

Dr Geh also invoked the idea of "public trust" land, held by the Government as a trustee for the public, rather than as a landlord. As land demand rises, she worried that the best lands might end up with private developers.

The other speakers were sociologist Paulin Straughan, transport expert Gopinath Menon and economist Chia Siow Yue.

Dr Straughan argued for valuing every citizen, given low fertility rates: "We have to stop this fixation about whether you are an old Singaporean or new Singaporean."

Mr Menon suggested ways to tackle congestion while Dr Chia spoke on Singapore's future economic challenges.

In the discussion that followed, a member of the audience suggested one way to improve land use: carry out the Selective En bloc Redevelopment Scheme, where old flats are redeveloped, on a much larger scale.

But the panellists urged caution, citing the importance of letting the elderly age in place, and the need to preserve heritage neighbourhoods.

"I don't think we should just tear down all the old HDB areas," said discussion moderator and Singapore Institute of Planners council member Tan Shee Tiong.

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winnipegjets

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Singapore should look beyond 2030 and plan for a more distant future - perhaps even one with 10 million people, former chief planner Liu Thai Ker said at a public forum on Saturday.

6.9 million by 2016 ...then 10 million by 2025. In 2016, 3.9 million foreigners, in 2025, 7 million foreigners. Time for sinkees to pack up to leave now or remain to fight hard for their homeland.

Mr Liu, who used to head the Housing Board, argued that population growth is necessary for economic growth.
If you buy this faulty logic, then sinkapore should just merged with a larger nation, like Australia or China. Why try to grow population by importing more foreigners?

But he was optimistic that "high density and a better living environment are mutually compatible".
Please show me where in the world people loves high density living as a choice.
 

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By Janice Heng
The Straits Times
Tuesday, Apr 30, 2013

SINGAPORE - Singapore should look beyond 2030 and plan for a more distant future - perhaps even one with 10 million people, former chief planner Liu Thai Ker said at a public forum on Saturday.


So we have it straight from the horses' mouth. They cannot fathom a Singapore that can thrive without unbridled population expansion. The only method they know of growing the economy is just to take in more and more and more people. There is no concept of dynamic equilibrium.
 

laksaboy

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Singapore needs some major natural disaster to trim the population, to throw a wrench into the nefarious scheme of the population ponzi plotters.

If you treat the people as mere economic digits for economic growth, naturally you will:

1) Want to have as many of them as possible.

2) Have little or no regard, maybe even have disdain and contempt, for the quality of life for each individual.
 

Nokiaster

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Lai liao....liu thai ker was that same fella who piu chui many years ago and blurted out thatthey wanted 6.5 mil ...which was already nthiankable then and nobody gave a shit because they thought he was talking cock....watch this guy....10mil is how the pap intends to continue its power.... Maybe by then they can cancel citizenships for mamas and ah tikngs since they are allowed dual citizenship and will always have a "home" to go back....
 

I_Hate_Pappies

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Liu Thai Ker? :oIo: Is he a ladyboy in disguise? Liu Thai Girl.
Of cos, he won't mind. How much longer can he lives to see the growth in population? Cluster fucking will not be part of his life. :oIo:

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Project till 2100? This fella got nothing better to do in life. Life is too unpredictable to forecast so far in the future. Why don't say we will outgrow India and china in terms of population in 3100? Singapore will become the world super power and the lee dynasty will be the longest reigning dynasty in history of mankind? Seriously this guy is too highly paid and starts dreaming on the job.
 

scroobal

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Firstly the number of people is not the issue and never has been. Its the ability of the infrastructure to support the number and the composition of people that make up the number. The tension is due to bad planning and nobody wants Singapore to lose its identity or one that is becoming alien.

The number is a red herring.

Secondly can someone ask Pauline Straughan to fuck off. Every opportunity she has she must turn it into a campaign for her family. She was one of those who where consulted prior to the release of the White Paper. She supported and endorsed it.
 

BuiKia

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These fuckers who say we can have 10million population are likely to be at the age where they would have died by 2030. That is why they dun care.
 

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Liu Thai Ker
Adjunct Professor
Honorary Doctorate, University of New South Wales

Lee Kuan Yew School of Public Policy
National University of Singapore
469C Bukit Timah Road
Singapore 259772

DID: -
Fax: (65) 6778 1020
Email: [email protected]



Profile:

Liu Thai Ker is closely associated with both the successful implementation of public housing in Singapore and the formulation of a vision for the current and further urban development of the city. He joined the Singapore Housing and Development Board in 1969 and became Chief Executive Officer in 1979. During his time with the board he oversaw the completion of over half a million dwelling units as the government embarked on its "Home Ownership for All" policy. He also guided the board's planning concept as it changed from large-scale estates with localised facilities to nearly self-sufficient new towns for 200,000 to 300,000 people.

He has carried out consultancy work on transport issues for the UNDP, UN-Habitat, and the International Union (Association) of Thai Ker assumed the post of Chief Executive Officer and Chief Planner of the new Urban Redevelopment Authority in 1989, where he oversaw and completed the revision of the Concept Plan; the plan that is widely recognised as visionary, pragmatic and one which will contribute towards making Singapore a city of excellence. Currently, Thai Ker is Director at RSP Architects Planners and Engineers (Pte) Ltd and concurrently Chairman of the Advisory Committee, National University of Singapore Architecture School. He also sat on the boards of a number of Statutory Boards, principal among them are the National Arts Council, the Housing and Development Board, the Central Provident Fund Board and the National Heritage Board.
 

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Liu Thai Ker
Adjunct Professor
Honorary Doctorate, University of New South Wales

Lee Kuan Yew School of Public Policy
National University of Singapore
469C Bukit Timah Road
Singapore 259772

DID: -
Fax: (65) 6778 1020
Email: [email protected]



Profile:

Liu Thai Ker is closely associated with both the successful implementation of public housing in Singapore and the formulation of a vision for the current and further urban development of the city. He joined the Singapore Housing and Development Board in 1969 and became Chief Executive Officer in 1979. During his time with the board he oversaw the completion of over half a million dwelling units as the government embarked on its "Home Ownership for All" policy. He also guided the board's planning concept as it changed from large-scale estates with localised facilities to nearly self-sufficient new towns for 200,000 to 300,000 people.

He has carried out consultancy work on transport issues for the UNDP, UN-Habitat, and the International Union (Association) of Thai Ker assumed the post of Chief Executive Officer and Chief Planner of the new Urban Redevelopment Authority in 1989, where he oversaw and completed the revision of the Concept Plan; the plan that is widely recognised as visionary, pragmatic and one which will contribute towards making Singapore a city of excellence. Currently, Thai Ker is Director at RSP Architects Planners and Engineers (Pte) Ltd and concurrently Chairman of the Advisory Committee, National University of Singapore Architecture School. He also sat on the boards of a number of Statutory Boards, principal among them are the National Arts Council, the Housing and Development Board, the Central Provident Fund Board and the National Heritage Board.



hi there



1. dafter sheep and running dogs are all alike.
2. answering to one grand master.
3. my middle finger to such specimen:biggrin:
 

jw5

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Firstly the number of people is not the issue and never has been. Its the ability of the infrastructure to support the number and the composition of people that make up the number. The tension is due to bad planning and nobody wants Singapore to lose its identity or one that is becoming alien.

Absolutely Agree. Good Points. You are Right.
You have Hit The Mark with this post.
 

laksaboy

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Firstly the number of people is not the issue and never has been. Its the ability of the infrastructure to support the number and the composition of people that make up the number. The tension is due to bad planning and nobody wants Singapore to lose its identity or one that is becoming alien.

The number is a red herring.

Secondly can someone ask Pauline Straughan to fuck off. Every opportunity she has she must turn it into a campaign for her family. She was one of those who where consulted prior to the release of the White Paper. She supported and endorsed it.

It's not the infrastructure. It's the population density rising beyond sustainable levels due to myopic and/or irresponsible population policies.

More MRT lines, taller blocks of new flats are simply not going to cut it.

You want more population? Get more land. Otherwise, perish the thought.
 

Dark Knight

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Want long term economic growth?
Very simple solution for the Sillypore gahbrament, just return this small island back to who it belongs to historically.
For sure tons of immigrants will cross over to jack up the property price which that Mr Liu Thai Ker hope to achieve.
 

zhihau

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ptui! might as well call the earth Singapore and you can have 7 billion folks straight away! 10 million folks in this tiny island?!
 
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