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http://www.bernama.com.my/bernama/v6/newsgeneral.php?id=650974

Foreigners Accused Of Violating Laws In Singapore Will Be Similarly Dealt - Teo


SINGAPORE, March 8 (Bernama) -- All accused persons were treated in the same manner, regardless of whether they were Singaporeans or foreigners, said Deputy Prime Minister, Coordinating Minister for National Security and Minister for Home Affairs, Teo Chee Hean.

"As set out in the Criminal Procedure Code, there is a standard set of procedures for the handling of accused persons, whatever their nationality, from arrest, to investigation, to charging them in court, and to police bail," he said in an oral answer to Parliamentary Questions here Thursday.

Teo was responding to questions posed by MP for Marine Parade, Tin Pei Ling, on a case involving three foreigners assaulting Singaporeans outside Suntec City Convention Centre in April 2010.

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SINGAPORE - Deputy Prime Minister Teo Chee Hean today addressed MP Tin Pei Ling's enquiries on the case of two foreigners who absconded while on bail.

Minister Teo Thursday said in Parliament today that an inquiry is ongoing to investigate if there was any mismanagement of the case.

"If there were any lapses or negligence, Police will take appropriate disciplinary action against the officers involved," said Mr Teo.
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The two, Robert Dahlberg and Robert James Springall, were charged with assaulting a Singaporean outside Suntec City Convention Centre in April 2010.

Together with Nathan Robert Miller, the three were said to be drunk when they abused two taxi drivers, two taxi passengers and also hijacked and then crashed a taxi in the early hours on April 11.

Expecting the inquiry to be completed next month, DPM Teo said warrants of arrest have been issued against Dahlberg and Springall who left Singapore.

"Police will work closely with INTERPOL and its overseas counterparts to locate the two men and bring them back to face the charges that have been laid against them," he added.

He pointed out that their extradition would depend on several factors including if Singapore has an extradition treaty or arrangement with the country the accused have fled to, and whether the offence committed by the person is an extraditable offence.

Miss Tin also asked Minister Teo about the assessment of foreigners for flight risk, the measures taken to prevent such foreigners from absconding and the criteria applied in the assessment of whether extradition proceedings against such foreigners who have fled jurisdiction will be commenced.

In reply, he emphasised that there is a standard set of procedures for the handling of accused persons, whatever their nationality, from arrest, to investigation, to charging them in court, and to police bail.

Outlining the procedure, he said the Criminal Procedure Code (CPC) gives Police the powers to ask an accused person to surrender his passport as a condition of bail or personal bond.

DPM Teo said: "For accused persons who are assessed to be a flight risk, Police will set the bail or bond, commonly referred to as 'police bail', at a higher amount. This is during the investigation phase."

"Flight risk is assessed holistically, taking into account multiple factors such as whether the accused person has roots in Singapore and the extent of these roots, the gravity of the offence, the behaviour of the accused person in the course of investigations and whether the person had attempted to abscond previously.

"Once a person is charged in Court, discretion on whether to release the accused person on bail, as well as the conditions of bail, is with the Courts. This is commonly known as 'court bail'."

He added that Police would flag accused persons are likely flight risks, and request the Courts to set bail at a higher amount.

Police may also request that the passport of the accused person be impounded as a condition of bail.

Ms Tin however, felt that more could be done to keep accused foreigners from leaving Singapore.

She suggested that the Government put a law or standard operating procedure (SOP) in place to impound the passports of accused foreigners regardless of their characteristics or flight risk assessment.

Mr Teo pointed out that this particular case illustrates the challenges of ensuring that accused persons, whether they are Singaporeans or foreigners facing trial, do not abscond.

He said: "As they have not yet been convicted of a crime, the presumption of innocence limits how far we can restrict their movements. And ultimately the discretion rests with the courts to decide whether an accused person should be allowed to leave jurisdiction, taking into account submissions by both the prosecution and the defence."

"So the accused, as Ms Tin has pointed out, has not been convicted yet. Of course if he has been convicted, then that's quite clear cut. But if he has not been convicted yet, then we have to balance the different requirements."

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I am so ashamed of WP. How come no one from WP raise this issue? Instead they let this little girl steal the show.

PS. to all anti-WP bros - see? I also tekang WP when they did not do things or do them right.
 

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The police should hold on to their passport if those not citizen. If tourist then should try to settle the case ASAP eg. 48hr will summon to court and deal accordingly.
 

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The police should hold on to their passport if those not citizen. If tourist then should try to settle the case ASAP eg. 48hr will summon to court and deal accordingly.

No use! The Ang Moh embassies in SG will re-issue new passports to their citizens if they went to make applications. They fill up a form and pay a fee, say passport lost, that's all. Fly immediately via Changi Airport.:rolleyes::wink:
 

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Singapore government is always very good at bullying its own people. In front of foreigners, it is like a paper tiger. These angmohs always have this colonial attitude that they're above the law in other Asian countries. If too many of this kind of jump bail happening, just detain them under ISA and let's see how are they going to run away.:smile:
 

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As a matter of fact, the real issue that should have been raised is the slovenly and shabby behaviour of the police in handling the whole matter. This is the nub. The whole process from apprehending the culprits and kick starting the due process of law was unforgiveably slow and incompetent. It does not give citizens the assurance that future such assault incidents will be handled properly and competently. What is the MHA to say about this? They shd be made to account for the lapse. Merely asking to impound the passports is already way too late. There will always be ready answers - not yet deemed guilty, protection of the innocent, due process of evidence etc. such as to result in paralysis. It all starts with the police on the ground and then the whole machinery of the judiciary process must be kicked into instant motion. There was just too much unwarranted inertia. So far thepolice has not even been called to account.

This the WP can and should stand up and start questioning the Minister! Should there be a new SOP for foreigners who commit crimes, offences such that certain steps can be bypassed or speeded up, including convening court hearing within 24 hrs?
 
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It amazes me how easily the citizens are pacified by smooth talk.

Not too long ago there was this high-ranking embassy drunk driver who ran into some people. Where's that gone to now?

So, is the law is not there to mete out justice equally, or to protect the prestige of the rich?

Cheers!
 

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in fact, for Teo CH to say there is the same SOP for locals and foreigners is already wrong. Foreigners are more at risk of running away before the due process can go thru the motion. What is needed is to presume they will jump bail, flee the country. This is one area where we could take more draconian measures against foreigners. Instaed, we bully our citizens with draconian laws like ISA and detention without trial. It's time we impose DWT on foreigners who commit crimes and offences!
 

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happy0144.gif for TPL.

Actually the ang mor kow stupid lah. Run for what? From wiki, the penalty for using criminal force to another person is imprisonment for up to three months, or a fine of up to S$500, or both. I'm surprised there aren't more people fighting in the streets.

Singapore, disneyland with the death penalty, fines you S$500 for throwing a punch at a poor defenseless old man, while our former colonial masters in England and Wales, a person guilty of assault occasioning actual bodily harm is liable, on conviction on indictment, to imprisonment for a term not exceeding five years, or on summary conviction to imprisonment for a term not exceeding six months, or to a fine not exceeding the prescribed sum, or to both. Even in liberal Hong Kong, persons indicted are liable to imprisonment for three years.

I got to ask some of you guys who are more knowledgeable since wiki entries may be unreliable.

1. Am I right on the penalties for assault in Singapore being capped at S$500 and 3 months imprisonment?

2. Why is it so light compared to other jurisdictions? I can think of one sinister reason, but surely I should resist speculating for now.

3. How long has it been since this law has been updated?

4. Who should update the law? Can judges impose penalties greater than that stipulated by law, or is it the legislators' duty to call for a relook at the Penal Code?
 

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"Police will work closely with INTERPOL and its overseas counterparts to locate the two men and bring them back to face the charges that have been laid against them," he added.

Biggest poo that TCH can spit out??? Haa... interpol so free hor, bother with the almighty small red dot request. Even funny... their overseas counterparts help?? I think the request either is deleted or placed under spam mail by the counterparts lor.... Again, always talk like SG is some big ass country..... Not sian meh.. always come out with such lame reply.
 

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Actually the ang mor kow stupid lah. Run for what? From wiki, the penalty for using criminal force to another person is imprisonment for up to three months, or a fine of up to S$500, or both. I'm surprised there aren't more people fighting in the streets..........?

I'd like to see some foreigner punch LKY & only pay $500 for the privilege :p
 

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DPM Teo said: "For accused persons who are assessed to be a flight risk, Police will set the bail or bond, commonly referred to as 'police bail', at a HIGHER amount. This is during the investigation phase."

means those rich can afford to run road ....:wink:
 

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Fact or assumption?

Mata no inform their embassy one meh:confused:

No use! The Ang Moh embassies in SG will re-issue new passports to their citizens if they went to make applications. They fill up a form and pay a fee, say passport lost, that's all. Fly immediately via Changi Airport.:rolleyes::wink:
 

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Small cuntry poodles vs big country embassy.

Who will win?

Depends on how much money is invested or who is 'sucking' who?, Money can move mountains, change colour from white to black & back....money, makes the world go round ( repeat) with a clink ke klanging sound....( if you know that tune)..MONEY!:wink:
 
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