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Online seling creating new problems?

tanwahtiu

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What is online selling?

It is to delivered your purchased products to your home.

To deliver to your home a item needs to be transported from seller warehouse/ Shops or home to depot to the purchaser home, where else.

This created a big demand, problems, to find delivery drivers. It creates low class jobs which many Sinkies wont do. So to solve the problems the government need more low educated FTs in Singapore.

Also delivery companies are engaging in sub-contractors drivers and pay them by per scan or hourly rate.

Delivery drivers become independent contractors that do not get paid on public holidays, no sick leave entitlement, CPF and pay their the vehicle maintenance, tyres and so on.

Even major retail shops do online and joined the saturated online markets create more problems to deliver to their customer homes when there are shortages of independent deliver drivers.

So in the next 10-15 years you will find online business unable to delivery their goods to the their customers on time.

Also many online buyers are not home to received the goods during the day as more couples are working hard t pay their mortgages. Also the driver has only 1 minutes to wait for the owner to accept the goods. The drivers will leave a card to the buyer and where will the driver leave the goods/item at is another question?

So instead of having the good delivered at buyer door step the buyer has received a card instead and has to lan lan (fucking shit) to go pick up the good at a instructed location.

So only time available to pick up the goods could be only Saturday. LppL what's the point of home delivery when you have to pick up the goods yourself and not to mentioned queue with hundred of people also line up to pick up the goods at the location.

If give permission to leave the goods at the door worry the goods will be lost ad lppl buy online for fuck?

Will online sellings create big problems?

Some fundamental never change, cheap things no good and good things not cheap.

Might as well to shopping and hand carry the goods yourself to home?

What do you think?
 

Leongsam

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Courier services are booming. It is the silver lining for many postal services and postmen are now becoming courier drivers because nobody posts letters anymore.

I think it is a fantastic business opportunity for smaller and more nimble operators to steal some business from the big players.

There is nothing wrong with being an independent contractor. The loss of employee benefits is more than compensated by the flexibility and there's no cap on earnings. The harder you work the more you get.
 

ChunLi

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Shopping online at e-commerce sites


Pros

Cheaper than retail stores

Cons

Unlike retail, u can't see, feel, inspect, test the products

Dishonest, rogue sellers

Damage of goods caused by shipping, transport co., post office.

Waiting time





 

Leongsam

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Shopping online at e-commerce sites


Pros

Cheaper than retail stores

Cons

Unlike retail, u can't see, feel, inspect, test the products

Dishonest, rogue sellers

Damage of goods caused by shipping, transport co., post office.

Waiting time






I use online retailing to get stuff that isn't available in local stores. Nothing else matters.

EG you cannot Accuphase Amps locally so I ordered mine on line.
 

chootchiew

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Many sinkie especially m&ds r snatching to do the delivery job. I was told per parcel paid $10 a gd deal.
Who pays the $10 ? Of course the consumer. Then how can it be cheaper ???
 

Dhalsim

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Certain products cost $1 $2 also delivered to doorstep. I'm wondering who is the real moron ?

Depends on the seller. Free shipping is usually covered by chinese vendors under "Economy Shipping" so u must be patient to wait like 25-30 days for your goods to arrive. :eek:
 

Narong Wongwan

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this one is reaping the benefits for delivery demand.
He used to be my underling before becoming a sect leader.
nothing like a heart warming reformed ah beng made good story....

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Driven to deliver the goods
16 September 12
The Straits Times by Wong Kim Hoh

It is 5pm and Harold Lee is winding down after a hot, stressful day by taking swigs from a big bottle of Bintang Beer.

The founder and managing director of courier company XDel is sitting outside one of his two offices in Hong Kong Street, near Chinatown.

He started the firm 20 years ago with just one van and one employee. Today, XDel has a fleet of 10 vans and 35 motorcycles, and nearly 70 workers. In its first year of operation, its revenue was barely $35,000; last year, it was $2.5 million.

Getting to where he is today has not been easy. The entrepreneur, 42, nearly lost the business a couple of times. At one stage, he was mired in debt to the tune of $500,000.

The days and nights he spent growing the company also cost him three marriages. This is not something the father of five children, aged between 10 and 21, is proud of.

"But I guess things happen for a reason," he says philosophically. "I don't think too much about marriage now. Now, it's just my career and work. I just feel I haven't achieved what I want to achieve."

Born out of wedlock, he is no stranger to the bumpier side of life. His father was a gangster and brothel owner; his mother, a singer.

He did not see much of his father but remembers visiting him in prison as a child.

"He was a big-time gangster. Burglary, rioting, you name it, he has done it," he says wryly of the 65-year-old whom he has not seen for some years.

His mother, a singer in nightclubs, hotel lounges and restaurants, started lugging him to work when he was a month old.

"While she sang, all the other singers would help to look after me backstage. There were many Taiwanese singers in those days. That's why my Mandarin is pretty good."

When he was five, his maternal grandmother came to look after him.

"She was actually my mother's adoptive mother, a very tough and feisty woman from Guangzhou."

The older woman, he says, taught him to be independent. By the time he started school, he knew how to keep house, gut fish and make soup.

"Because she was an amah herself, she had a lot of 'sisters' who worked as amahs for the prostitutes in Rowell Road," he says, referring to the red-light district. "She would take me to visit them sometimes and while she chit-chatted with them, I would run in and out of the rooms."

The trio led a peripatetic lifestyle until the boy was about 10 and his mother married a musician and settled in Sembawang.

"Before that, we moved many times, from Clementi to Katong to Telok Blangah," he says.

As a result, he attended three primary schools: Haig Boys', Telok Blangah Rise and Sembawang.

He started mixing with bad company in secondary school, played truant and found work in construction sites.

"I was earning $25 a day clearing debris and cleaning flats. It was good money," recalls Mr Lee, who also picked up smoking, joined a gang and got involved in a lot of street fights.

One memorable brawl involved nearly 50 people from two rival gangs in Ang Mo Kio.

"I was chased by someone wielding a parang, and one of my friends got slashed several times," he says.

Not surprisingly, the rebellious teen was expelled from Anderson Secondary as well as Ahmad Ibrahim Secondary.

"Fortunately, the principal of Si Ling Secondary in Woodlands took me in and gave me a chance," says Mr Lee, who completed and passed his O levels.

He peddled massage equipment in Lucky Plaza and became a part-time waiter before signing up with the police force when he was 18. The irony of a gangster becoming a law enforcer is not lost on him.

"Hey, I was still idealistic, okay?" he says, adding that he did well as a plainclothes officer with the Central Narcotics Bureau. "I had a good relationship with the addicts and I spoke their language."

It did not turn out well, though. He had to leave the job after barely three years because he roughed up a drug addict who suffered a hairline fracture on his left wrist.

He started a company, H&D - which he renamed XDel a few years later - after completing national service in 1993. By then, he had married a cosmetics promoter and become a father.

"I never thought about starting my own business. But one night, I saw an ad for a delivery man and the job required someone with Olevels. I thought to myself, I can't be an employee. I won't be able to control my destiny. I need to start my own business."

The idea of a courier company came about after he helped out at a florist where his mother was working part-time.

He saw the demand for delivery services and reckoned it was an easy enough business.

He roped in a partner and, with a $15,000 loan from an old friend, bought a van and was ready to go.

But the day before the company was due to start business, his partner got cold feet. Although he came around the following day, Mr Lee decided he would go it alone.

"He had jitters even before we started. How could I trust him for the long term?"

So he hired a driver, because he did not have a driving licence then, and does not have one now.

What? The boss of a courier company cannot drive?

His retort is quick: "Does the CEO of Singapore Airlines know how to fly a plane?"

The first day is etched firmly in his memory.

"We parked the van at the Boulevard Hotel and I knocked on the door of every florist from Cuscaden Road to Centrepoint," he says.

From florists, he moved on to other companies which might need help with deliveries.

"I would just go in and give them my name card," he says.

The first year was nightmarish. He took on all jobs - even house-moving and flier distribution - to make ends meet.

"Our income was only $35,000. No matter how I tried, it just wasn't enough to pay the instalments on the van and the salary of the driver."

He had to borrow from friends and family to stay in business.

He lost count of the number of times the van was repossessed.

"And if we had a traffic summons or needed to change the tyres or pay for repairs..." His voice tails off as he shakes his head.

He clocked 15-hour days, making deliveries by day and processing orders at night.

By then, his marriage was over.

"My personal life was in a shambles. But I was very stubborn. I was not going to give up. I had to make it work."

Things started to look up in the third year when the company landed the job of making deliveries for RS Components, a distributor of industrial parts.

"We started with just 10 deliveries a day for them, but that grew to more than 100," he says, adding that monthly turnover started hitting more than $20,000.

Buoyed by optimism, he started hiring and expanding. He also roped in an old friend to write him a software application which would help him to automate work processes and keep a record of all transactions.

The good times, however, did not last long. The 1997 Asian financial crisis delivered a punch to the gut that left Mr Lee and his company reeling.

Business dried up. By then, he had seven vans and more than 10 employees.

"The biggest mistake I made was buying seven vehicles. It cost more than $3,000 a month to maintain one, a huge chunk of my operation expenses," he says.

Soon, he was defaulting on his rent, the instalments on his vehicles and his workers' Central Provident Fund contributions. Before he knew it, he was weighed down by a $500,000 debt.

Friends advised him to file for bankruptcy.

"But reputation was very important to me. I wanted to show people that I was not a fly-by-night operator," he says.

He auctioned off all his vehicles, and negotiated with banks and all his creditors.

"I told them, 'I'm here and I'm not running away. Let us work out a payment scheme'," he recalls. "Strangely enough, they trusted me. Then again, I guess they didn't want me dead. They just wanted me to repay."

He adds that he made sure to honour his word and kept his creditors and staff informed about his financial situation.

He also devoted every waking hour to restructuring the business.

He started outsourcing deliveries to smaller players. Instead of full-time employees, he began hiring part-timers with their own vehicles.

He did everything he could to streamline operations and cut costs while looking for new business.

It took nearly four years, but he cleared all his debts.

"Whatever money I made went to paying everyone I owed," he says.

Today, the rebuilt XDel is lean and sturdy.

"One of the biggest things I did right this time around was to insist on an IT infrastructure," he says.

He invested close to $500,000 in a versatile custom-made IT system that does almost everything - from tracking deliveries to invoicing and comparing delivery performance in real time.

"We automated everything in the system," he says, adding that the result was significant manpower savings. "My motto now is to always keep my costs relevant and not to overspend."

XDel, which counts several merchant banks, Nets and Eu Yan Sang among its clients, now averages more than 700 deliveries daily, charging between $5 and $30 for each.

Mr Goh Heng Huat, the former managing director of RS Components, remembers being very impressed by the young entrepreneur he met years ago.

"He was young, polite and very promising so I gave him a chance."

The two have remained friends ever since. Now retired, Mr Goh, 67, is not surprised at Mr Lee's success.

"He works very hard, and his mind works very fast. He is always coming up with new ideas. He just does not give up."

Mr Lee says he is no longer the excitable puppy he was when he first started the business.

"I'm now an old dog. I don't jump every day and don't get excited easily," he says. "But I am very prepared. When an opportunity comes, I will just grab it."

Mr Lee, who has plans to franchise the XDel brand, thinks that being aware of his limitations has helped him weather many storms.

"It is impossible for one person to know and do everything. You know what you know, you go and learn what you do not know. And if you know you can't do certain things, just surround yourself with people who do," he says.

Sheepishly, he admits he has not been quite as tenacious in saving his marriages.

His second wife, whom he married at 25, gave him three children; the union lasted barely four years.

He married again not long after, had another child and got divorced at 34. Although he and his first wife do not speak, he is good friends with his two other ex-wives.

"I was too fanatical about rebuilding the business. It was very difficult to try and hold a business and a family together," says Mr Lee who is now single and lives with an old friend in a Novena condominium.

"But if I hadn't been fanatical, what would my life be today?"

Candidly, the entrepreneur - who has roped in his stepfather and one of his three stepbrothers to work for him - admits he is probably not the world's best father.

"But in a way, one of the reasons why I'm working so hard is them. I don't want my children to have it as tough as I did."

He says he is driven by a need to know what he can achieve.

"You know what my third wife told me? She said, 'Harold, it's not that you have not achieved what you wanted. It's just that you keep pushing up your bar.'

"Maybe she is right. But this much I know: We cannot decide where we came from, but we can definitely decide where we are headed."

And Mr Lee feels he has a long way to go.
 

chootchiew

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Can a cnb plainclothes officer without a driving license ? ?
He seems like a too express person. Everything like never last long. I think his delivery company may also endup same.
 

xebay11

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this one is reaping the benefits for delivery demand.
He used to be my underling before becoming a sect leader.
nothing like a heart warming reformed ah beng made good story....
knocked on the door of every florist from Cuscaden Road to Centrepoint," he says.

He would have been much better off learning from his father and be a gangster and brothel owner
 

johnny333

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Depends on the seller. Free shipping is usually covered by chinese vendors under "Economy Shipping" so u must be patient to wait like 25-30 days for your goods to arrive. :eek:

The biggest problem with economy shipping is that it relies on Singpost.
You are better off spending extra $ on a more reliable courier company which provides tracking.
 
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