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Moderate muslim? Wtf!!

72Virgins

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I think now everybody has woken to reality of this piece of shit religion after 9/11.
The whole world starts to find out about ISLAM. What they leant has been shocking!!!

Pervert MohaMAD is a paedophile. Marry a 9 year old.
Chopping hands.
Stoning to death.
Rape victim must have 4 witnesses.
Honour killing.
The list goes on...

And then there are some m&d-the-fuckers come up with the word "Moderate" Muslim or not violent extremists.
KNN. I tell you this, Moderates. There is no such thing as a Moderate. Either you are a Muslim or a Terrorist.
When Islam is really hit hard, you see if you are still a Moderate. Moderate can be upgraded to Extremist anytime.

As of now. Not all Muslims are terrorist. But they are all SUSPECTS!!!

Any damn bombing anywhere in the world. First thing in their head is :It must be those wanting the 72Cunts again"

Come on Muslims - I think the moderates realise this too when it happens..... But they decided to keep your fucking mouth shut.
That says a lot about the Moderates.

"COCKRUN" is the book of devil. Arabic writings always begin with Pointed stroke(Horns) and ends with Pointed Stroke. (the devil's tail).

IT IS A CULT!!! THIS RELIGION MUST BE BANNED AND ELIMINATED!!!
 

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You cannot pass judgement on a religion based upon the behavior of a minute fraction of its followers.
 

Patriot

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IMHO, there are no moderate Muslims; only nominal or ignorant Muslims who don't know that Mohammed was a ruthless false prophet and Islam, far from being a so-called "religion of peace" is a most violent religion.
 

72Virgins

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More Muslims died attacked by western forces in the last decade than the other way round.


Here you go - A "Moderate" soon to be upgraded replying trying to distract the facts.
The west has been welcoming these idiots for decades to their home country. This is what the they get for their kindness.
The objective of Muslim is make the World "Halal" which is the cause of the problem.

" You are either a MOOSELIMIST or TERRORIST". PERIOD!!!

"COCKRUN" is the book of devil
 

Devil Within

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More Muslims died attacked by western forces in the last decade than the other way round.

That is a good thing. A good Muslim is a dead Muslim.

The western forces are helping you Muslims to go and meet your Allah. You should be happy and thanking them. Why are you not happy? Are you not happy to meet your Allah?
 

biondi

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As the trite wisdom goes, the moderate Muslim wish the radical Muslim will kill non-Muslim.
 

yellowarse

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The West should just get the hell out of Middle East and leave it to the various tribes to settle scores among themselves. The world would be so much more peaceful.

Worldwide Islamic terrorism is the direct result of failed US adventurism in the Middle East, and now with Russia and China getting drawn in and battle lines drawn between US/NATO and Russia/China, World War 3 cannot be ruled out.
 

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There are very very few muslims who are vocal about their opinions on and critical of Islamic groups who use terror. One such person goes by the name of Haroon Siddiqui, a columnist for a Toronto newspaper. At the same time, he is not an apologist for Islam and also points out Western aggressive actions when it happens. However, I wonder if his views will have any impact on the world. Having followed his articles, I would call him a "moderate" muslim, and he takes on a humanist stance. There is no equivalent of this character here in South-East Asia, where people are better-off keeping their views to themselves. Anyone who talks about "sensitive" issues here risks facing charges under some Sedition Act. I wonder if this is part of "Asian Values?"

Here's a link to the person mentioned, if you are interested.

http://www.thestar.com/authors.siddiqui_haroon.html

Cheers!
 

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More Muslims died attacked by western forces in the last decade than the other way round.

You Muslims are such liars! Another day you say more Muslims have been killed by terrorists. The truth is and everyone can see is you fucking bastard animals are the ones that love to go to war. You fucking animals even kill your own daughters for dating a non-Muslim or any that tells the truth about your stinking demonic self-professed serial rapist prophet Pedo Mo. You stinking lying bastard!

This is your demonic self-professed prophet, serial rapist Pedo Mo and his Book of Death
www.thereligionofpeace.com/muhammad/myths-mu-home.htm
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/quran/023-violence.htm
Mufti Menk is a fucking Saudi Arabia's wahhabi Islam practitioner. That's the terrorists Islam. No wonder there are so many Singapore Muslims becoming terrorist.

The fucking mats here not happy can fucking leave. No one is stopping them. They want full shariah then fuck off somewhere else. Don't give them an inch because they will continue demanding more. These fucktards worship a satanic mass murderer but make deceptive claims there are peaceful. Then many from their groups mass murder and terrorize the entire world but blame everyone but themselves. I learnt not to trust these religious Satanic worshipers.

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/quran/023-violence.htm
 

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I just love it that muslim and islam are kanna bash daily by the world daily.. ahhhh..how soothing!!!
 

ChaoPappyPoodle

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The West should just get the hell out of Middle East and leave it to the various tribes to settle scores among themselves. The world would be so much more peaceful.

Worldwide Islamic terrorism is the direct result of failed US adventurism in the Middle East, and now with Russia and China getting drawn in and battle lines drawn between US/NATO and Russia/China, World War 3 cannot be ruled out.

These Satanic Worshipers in case you have not noticed have attacked almost the entire world in the last 1450 years. They took about 1/3 of China, most of Eastern Europe and were about 30 miles away from Paris after taking Portugal, Spain, Southersn Italy, all of India, most of South East Asia, all of North Africa etc etc etc. Telling these Satanic Worshipers to keep to themselves is like trying to talk to cancer cells to not kill healthy cells.

You fucking cheebye brained bastard talking like a typical worshiper of the serial rapist, mass murderer Pedo Mo. Long before USA rightly attacked Iraq for harbouring Al Qaeda the Satanic worshipers had already shown their murderous ways for 1450 years. You ignorant goat fucking piece of shit!
 

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There are very very few muslims who are vocal about their opinions on and critical of Islamic groups who use terror. One such person goes by the name of Haroon Siddiqui, a columnist for a Toronto newspaper. At the same time, he is not an apologist for Islam and also points out Western aggressive actions when it happens. However, I wonder if his views will have any impact on the world. Having followed his articles, I would call him a "moderate" muslim, and he takes on a humanist stance. There is no equivalent of this character here in South-East Asia, where people are better-off keeping their views to themselves. Anyone who talks about "sensitive" issues here risks facing charges under some Sedition Act. I wonder if this is part of "Asian Values?"

Here's a link to the person mentioned, if you are interested.

http://www.thestar.com/authors.siddiqui_haroon.html

Cheers!

When al Sisi the president of Egypt called for an Islamic reformation then entire left-wing media in US and Europe kept quiet of his remarkable speech. The left-wing media and working with Islamists to create a New World Order which will be run by Islamists. You are already seeing how it's being run by the media. You only have to wait for the Islamists to take control politically.

http://edition.cnn.com/2015/01/06/africa/egypt-president-speech/
Egyptian President Abdel Fattah el-Sisi has called for a "religious revolution," asking Muslim leaders to help in the fight against extremism.

In a speech celebrating the birthday of the Prophet Muḥammad, which coincided with New Year's Day, he said they had no time to lose.

"I say and repeat, again, that we are in need of a religious revolution. You imams are responsible before Allah. The entire world is waiting on you. The entire world is waiting for your word ... because the Islamic world is being torn, it is being destroyed, it is being lost. And it is being lost by our own hands," el-Sisi said.

"We need a revolution of the self, a revolution of consciousness and ethics to rebuild the Egyptian person -- a person that our country will need in the near future," the President said.

El-Sisi, himself a pious man, was elected in May after leaving the military to run for the office.

A former defense minister, he led the ouster of Mohamed Morsy -- the Islamist who was Egypt's first democratically elected President -- and has long positioned himself as a more secular option, and defender against extremist views.

"It's inconceivable that the thinking that we hold most sacred should cause the entire Islamic world to be a source of anxiety, danger, killing and destruction for the rest of the world. Impossible that this thinking -- and I am not saying the religion -- I am saying this thinking," el-Sisi said.

He continued: "This is antagonizing the entire world. It's antagonizing the entire world! Does this mean that 1.6 billion people (Muslims) should want to kill the rest of the world's inhabitants -- that is 7 billion -- so that they themselves may live? Impossible!​"

While el-Sisi's speech included some powerful language, H.A. Hellyer, a nonresident fellow at the Center for Middle East Policy at the Brookings Institution and research associate at the Kennedy School of Government at Harvard University, said the President has made similar statements in the past.

"There is little to suggest (el-Sisi) is interested in some sort of Lutheran reformation of Islam. By all accounts, he's quite comfortable with the prevailing leadership of the Azhari establishment.

"If anything, he wants to empower it further in order to push forward a counternarrative against radical Islamism. The real question is: How credible can such a state-empowered counternarrative be?" Hellyer said.

On Tuesday, the President visited the main Coptic cathedral in Cairo to attend a Christmas mass and make a short speech. He is the first president to attend such a mass since the revolution.

"We will build our country together. We will accommodate each other. We will love each other," el-Sisi said in that speech.
 

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You fucking cheebye brained bastard talking like a typical worshiper of the serial rapist, mass murderer Pedo Mo. Long before USA rightly attacked Iraq for harbouring Al Qaeda the Satanic worshipers had already shown their murderous ways for 1450 years. You ignorant goat fucking piece of shit!

You're not talking sense. If a bunch of Semitic tribes (Jews, Arabs, Kurds, Iranians) want to fight among themselves and settle old scores, why get involved. Pull out of the region and let them kill each another and carve out their lands.

Of course, once you pull out of the Middle East, you tighten your own borders, control immigration, and beef up homeland security.

The reason why the US and its allies are still mucking around there, as THE_CHANSTER said so precisely, is because of oil and Israel. And the rest of the world suffers because these Islamic militants and terrorists are now taking revenge on not just the West, but anyone who's an ally of the West – including Singapore.

It's morons like yourself who can't see such a simple solution. And idiots like yourself who've turned a regional tribal warfare into a world crisis.
 

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You're not talking sense. If a bunch of Semitic tribes (Jews, Arabs, Kurds, Iranians) want to fight among themselves and settle old scores, why get involved. Pull out of the region and let them kill each another and carve out their lands.

Of course, once you pull out of the Middle East, you tighten your own borders, control immigration, and beef up homeland security.

The reason why the US and its allies are still mucking around there, as THE_CHANSTER said so precisely, is because of oil and Israel. And the rest of the world suffers because these Islamic militants and terrorists are now taking revenge on not just the West, but anyone who's an ally of the West – including Singapore.

It's morons like yourself who can't see such a simple solution. And idiots like yourself who've turned a regional tribal warfare into a world crisis.

You blind is it? These bastards are bombing Thailand for more than a decade. Indonesia and Philippines for decades already. You still talk about middle-east. What about Africa. The Satanic worshipers are moving southwards to increase Muslim conquests. They are in Europe creating trouble for authorities for decades already.

Take your nonsense talk about USA involvment in mid-east and stuff it in your ass. It makes no sense unless you yourself are a worshiper of the serial rapist, mass murderer Pedo Mo then since nothing makes sense to you it is possible that your own bullshit will make sense to your kind. You fucking Muslim bastard bring your cheebye fake prophet and Satanic Allah all over the world and dare to complain others are the ones creating problems when your ass get kicked. I said already mah you fuckers are demonic animals and cannot tell the truth or see the truth. You are full of deception that will fool only ignorant retards.

Muhammad allowed his men to rape the women captured in raids. However, after capturing the women, Muslims faced a dilemma. They wanted to have sex with them but also wanted to return them for ransom and therefore did not want to make them pregnant. Some of these women were already married. Their husbands had managed to escape when taken by surprise and were still alive. The raiders considered the possibility of coitus interruptus (withdrawing from intercourse prior to ejaculation). Unsure of the best course of action, they went to Muhammad for counsel. Bukhari reports:

Abu Saeed said: “We went out with Allâh's Apostle for the Ghazwa of Banu Al-Mustaliq and we received captives from among the Arab captives and we desired women and celibacy became hard on us and we loved to do coitus interruptus. So when we intended to do coitus interruptus, we said, 'How can we do coitus interruptus before asking Allâh's Apostle who is present among us?" We asked (him) about it and he said, 'It is better for you not to do so, for if any soul (till the Day of Resurrection) is predestined to exist, it will exist." [1]

Notice that Muhammad does not forbid raping women captured in war. Instead, he indicates that when Allâh intends to create anything, nothing can prevent it. In other words, not even the absence of semen can prevent it. So Muhammad is telling his men that coitus interruptus would be futile and ill-advised because it would be an attempt to thwart the irresistible will of Allâh. Muhammad does not say a word against the forced insemination of these captive females. In fact, by criticizing coitus interruptus, in effect he supported forced insemination.

In the Qur’an, Muhammad’s god made it legal to have intercourse with slave women, the so-called “right hand possessions,” even if they were married before their capture.[2]

Juwairiya:

Ibn Aun has narrated: “I wrote a letter to Nafi and Nafi wrote in reply to my letter that the Prophet had suddenly attacked Bani Mustaliq without warning while they were heedless and their cattle were being watered at the places of water. Their fighting men were killed and their women and children were taken as captives; the Prophet got Juwairiya on that day. Nafi said that Ibn 'Umar had told him the above narration and that Ibn 'Umar was in that army.” Bukhari 3.46.717 (see also Muslim 019. 4292)

Muhammad sent one of his companions; Bareeda bin Haseeb, to spy on the Bani al-Mustaliq and after assessing the situation he ordered his men to attack. Muslims came out of Madina on 2nd Shaban of 5 A.H. and encamped at Muraisa, a place at a distance of 9 marches from Medina.

Juwairiya was one of the captives during the raid of Banu Mustaliq. When all the prisoners were made slaves and distributed among the victorious Muslim soldiers, Juwairiyah fell to the lot of Thabit bin Qais. She was the daughter of Haris, the leader of the clan.

The Islamic site muslims.ws writes: “She was the daughter of the leader of the clan, and therefore, very much felt the discomfiture and disgrace of being made slave of an ordinary Muslim soldier. Therefore, she requested him to release her on payment of ransom. Thabit agreed to this, if she could pay him 9 Auqias of gold. Hazrat Juwairiyah had no ready money with her. She tried to raise this amount through contributions, and approached the Holy Prophet also in this connection. She said to him "0' Prophet of Allah! I am the daughter of Al Haris bin Zarar, the Lord (chief) of his people. You know that it is by chance that our people have fallen captive and I have fallen to the share of Thabit bin Qais and have requested him to release me considering my status, but he has refused. Please do an act of kindness and save me from humiliation". The Holy Prophet was moved and asked the captive woman if she would like a thing still better. She asked as to what was that thing. He said that he was ready to pay her ransom and marry her if she liked. She agreed to this proposal. So the Holy Prophet paid the amount of ransom and married her.”

First he raids a population without warning because they were easy targets and wealthy. As usual he kills the unarmed able-bodied men, plunders their belongings, then enslaves the rest. The narrator says, “According to the prevailing practice all the prisoners were made slaves and distributed among the victorious Muslim soldiers.” Prevailing practice? Didn’t Muhammad come to show people the right way? Why should he follow the evil prevailing practices of a people whom he called ignorant? By doing so, he set the example and those evil practices became standard practices of the Muslims for ever.

The narrator says that upon seeing Juwairiyah the Prophet was “moved”. Methinks that movement must have happened in his male organ because his heart seems to have remained cold and unmoved. Although Muslims call this marriage, I call it rape.



Safiyah

Safiyah was a beautiful 17 years old Jewish woman who was captured when Muhammad’s troops raided Kheibar. She was the daughter or Huyeiy Ibn Akhtab, the chief of the Banu Nadir, a Jewish tribe of Medina , whom Muhammad had beheaded two years earlier along with the men of Banu Quriaza. The tribe of Banu Nadir had been already banished from Medina and their properties were confiscated.

Safiyah had married to her cousin Kinana, who was a young Jewish leader of Kheibar. When Muhammad raided that fortress, he killed its unarmed men and captured the rest. A Jewish traitor, (reminds me of Noam Chomsky) to gain Muhammad’s favor and be spared from death, told him that Kinana was the treasurer of the town and that he used to hide the money in some ruins. Muhammad ordered Kinana to be tortured to reveal the whereabouts of the treasures and killed him.

Then he asked the prettiest woman from amongst that captives to be brought to him. Ibn Ishaq writes: "The apostle occupied the Jewish forts one after the other, taking prisoners as he went. Among these were Safiya, the wife of Kinana, the Khaibar chief, and two female cousins: [sisters of Kinana] the apostle chose Safiya for himself. The other prisoners were distributed among the Muslims. Bilal brought Safiya to the apostle, and they passed the bodies of several Jews on the way. Safiya's female companions lamented and strewed dust on their heads. When the apostle of Allâh observed this scene, he said, 'Remove these she devils from me.' But he ordered Safiya to remain, and threw his reda [cloak] over her. So the Muslims knew he had reserved her for his own. The apostle reprimanded Bilal, saying, 'Hast thou lost all feelings of mercy, to make women pass by the corpses of their husbands?'”

Safiyah was taken to Muhammad’s tent. Muhammad wanted to have sex with her on that very night, only hours after torturing to death her husband. She resisted his advances. That night Abu Ayyub al-Ansari guarded the tent of Muhammad. When, in the early dawn, Muhammad saw Abu Ayyub strolling up and down, he asked him what he meant by this sentry-go; he replied: "I was afraid for you with this young lady. You had killed her father, her husband and many of her relatives, I was really afraid for you on her account". (Ibn Ishaq, p. 766)

The next day Muhammad covered Safiyah with his mantle, an act signifying that she is now his. Safiyah was groomed and made-up for Muhammad by Umm Sulaim, the mother of Anas ibn Malik and was taken to Muhammad who married her in a mock marriage ceremony and raped her that night. Muslims call this marriage. I call that rape. I am certain not many young women would like to jump into bed with an old man who happens to be the murderer of their father and husband and many other relatives. That poor woman had no choice; therefore that marriage was nothing but a mockery of this sacred institution. At that time Muhammad was close to sixty years old.

Rayhanah

Another victim of Muhammad was Rayhana, a 15 year old girl from the tribe of Banu Quraiza. Muhammad massacred all the men of that tribe. Then women were brought to him to pick and he chose Rayhana. Rayhana never married Muhammad and unlike Juwairiyah and Safiyah never feigned being a Muslim to have an easier life. She preferred to remain a sex slave rather the wife of the murderer of her father, brothers and uncles. .


[1] Bukhari, Volume 5, Book59, Number 459. Many other canonical hadiths recount how Muhammad approved intercourse with slave women, but said coitus interruptus was unnecessary because if Allâh willed someone to be born, that soul would be born regardless of coitus interruptus. See the following:

Bukhari 3.34.432: “Narrated Abu Saeed Al-Khudri: that while he was sitting with Allâh's Apostle he said, "O Allâh's Apostle! We get female captives as our share of booty, and we are interested in their prices, what is your opinion about coitus interruptus?" The Prophet said, "Do you really do that? It is better for you not to do it. No soul that which Allâh has destined to exist, but will surely come into existence.”

Sahih Muslim is another source considered factual and accurate by virtually all Muslims. Here is Sahih Muslim 8.3381: “Allâh's Messenger (may peace be upon him) was asked about 'azl, (coitus interruptus) whereupon he said: The child does not come from all the liquid (semen) and when Allâh intends to create anything nothing can prevent it (from coming into existence).”

Muslims also consider Abu Dawood highly accurate and factual. Here is Abu Dawood, 29.29.32.100: “Yahya related to me from Malik from Humayd ibn Qays al-Makki that a man called Dhafif said that Ibn Abbas was asked about coitus interruptus. He called a slave-girl of his and said, ‘Tell them.’ She was embarrassed. He said, ‘It is alright, and I do it myself.’ Malik said, ‘A man does not practise coitus interruptus with a free woman unless she gives her permission. There is no harm in practicing coitus interruptus with a slave-girl without her permission. Someone who has someone else's slave-girl as a wife does not practice coitus interruptus with her unless her people give him permission.’"

See also Bukhari 3.46.718, 5.59.459, 7.62.135, 7.62.136, 7.62.137, 8.77.600, 9.93.506 Sahih Muslim 8.3383, 8.3388, 8.3376, 8.3377, and several more.

[2] Qur’an, 4:24: “Also (prohibited are) women already married, except those whom your right hands possess: Thus hath Allâh ordained (Prohibitions) against you.”
Qur’an, 33:50): “O Prophet! We have made lawful to thee thy wives to whom thou hast paid their dowers; and those whom thy right hand possesses out of the prisoners of war whom Allâh has assigned to thee.”
Qur’an, 4:3: “If ye fear that ye shall not be able to deal justly with the orphans, marry women of your choice, two or three or four; but if ye fear that ye shall not be able to deal justly (with them), then only one, or (a captive) that your right hands possess, that will be more suitable, to prevent you from doing injustice.”
 

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All the Moslems in the world should be rounded up and dump in Africa never to leave.
Then the entire world would be a peaceful place
 
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