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Mindeaf DEAF to NS Deferment Plea

makapaaa

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<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR>FTrash: I NO NS & GOT FREE SCHOLARSHIP SOME MORE! HA! HA! HA!

Rejected: Teen's 5 appeals to defer NS 10 min
</TR><!-- headline one : end --><TR>Mindef turns down SIM student's pleas to sit for first-year exams first </TR><!-- Author --><TR><TD class="padlrt8 georgia11 darkgrey bold" colSpan=2>By Esther Tan
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SINGAPORE Institute of Management (SIM) student Samuel Tan Chee Hong will not get to sit for his first-year examinations at the end of this year.
By then, the youth, who turned 18 last month, will have been called up to begin his national service (NS).
Samuel joined the private educational organisation in the middle of last year, finished a six-month foundation programme and started his course in computer science at the start of this year.
But, last month, he received a letter from the Defence Ministry telling him to report for NS next month.
He has made five failed appeals to Mindef asking for a deferment. At first, he pleaded for a deferment until the end of his three-year bachelor's degree.
When that was turned down, he made four further appeals seeking a three- month deferment to allow him to at least complete the first year of his course.
All have been rejected, even with support from Aljunied GRC MPs Cynthia Phua and Lim Hwee Hua.
Mindef's replies to him all carried the same reason: Male Singaporeans aged 18 and due to enlist will be granted a full deferment from NS only to pursue educational qualifications up to 'A' levels, a polytechnic diploma or equivalent qualifications such as those from the Institute of Technical Education.
NS deferment to pursue a university degree has not been allowed since late 2005, said Mindef spokesman Darius Lim.
At the Budget debate in 2006, Second Minister for Defence Ng Eng Hen explained that, with more educational opportunities available now, pre-enlisted males can start their courses at any time of the year. This means many more Singaporeans are able to start university or other courses locally before they reach 18.
Defence Minister Teo Chee Hean also reiterated Mindef's stance in Parliament last month. 'Allowing such students deferment would be unfair to the vast majority of their peers studying in junior colleges, polytechnics and other institutions who do not have the same opportunity to be deferred for their university studies.'
Samuel's father, Mr Roger Tan, said his youngest of three sons had started the SIM course knowing there was a chance he would not get to defer. 'But we didn't want to waste time waiting for him to hit 18 before he started NS. It was a risk we had to take,' said the IT manager.
He could have enlisted earlier, as teens aged 161/2 can apply for early enlistment. But his father did not want him to do that: 'Boys that age are too young, immature and slow to learn. The risk is too high and they will be more prone to accidents.'
An SIM spokesman said the credits Samuel obtained in his first three quarters of the year will still be valid when he finishes his NS in two years' time.
Since the start of the year, five other SIM students have had to stop their studies to enlist for NS. So far, all returning students have not had to pick up new modules to replace the old ones, the spokesman said.
When contacted, a Mindef spokesman said it considers two main factors when facing a deferment request.
One is the need to preserve equity in terms of educational attainment before NS. The second is the need to enlist NS-liable males for rigorous military training 'while they are young and fit'.
Mr Tan, 54, said his son was asking for a three-month delay and would be only half a year older upon actual enlistment.
'Even with a full deferment, he would only be 20 years old upon the completion of his degree course. He'll still be young and fit then,' he said. [email protected]
 

southwest

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Tough decison for Mindef. If give in to SIM student, then the Informatics student also want, then how :smile:
 

The_Latest_H

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<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR>FTrash: I NO NS & GOT FREE SCHOLARSHIP SOME MORE! HA! HA! HA!

Rejected: Teen's 5 appeals to defer NS 10 min
</TR><!-- headline one : end --><TR>Mindef turns down SIM student's pleas to sit for first-year exams first </TR><!-- Author --><TR><TD class="padlrt8 georgia11 darkgrey bold" colSpan=2>By Esther Tan
</TD></TR><!-- show image if available --></TBODY></TABLE>




<!-- START OF : div id="storytext"--><!-- more than 4 paragraphs -->
SINGAPORE Institute of Management (SIM) student Samuel Tan Chee Hong will not get to sit for his first-year examinations at the end of this year.
By then, the youth, who turned 18 last month, will have been called up to begin his national service (NS).
Samuel joined the private educational organisation in the middle of last year, finished a six-month foundation programme and started his course in computer science at the start of this year.
But, last month, he received a letter from the Defence Ministry telling him to report for NS next month.
He has made five failed appeals to Mindef asking for a deferment. At first, he pleaded for a deferment until the end of his three-year bachelor's degree.
When that was turned down, he made four further appeals seeking a three- month deferment to allow him to at least complete the first year of his course.
All have been rejected, even with support from Aljunied GRC MPs Cynthia Phua and Lim Hwee Hua.
Mindef's replies to him all carried the same reason: Male Singaporeans aged 18 and due to enlist will be granted a full deferment from NS only to pursue educational qualifications up to 'A' levels, a polytechnic diploma or equivalent qualifications such as those from the Institute of Technical Education.
NS deferment to pursue a university degree has not been allowed since late 2005, said Mindef spokesman Darius Lim.
At the Budget debate in 2006, Second Minister for Defence Ng Eng Hen explained that, with more educational opportunities available now, pre-enlisted males can start their courses at any time of the year. This means many more Singaporeans are able to start university or other courses locally before they reach 18.
Defence Minister Teo Chee Hean also reiterated Mindef's stance in Parliament last month. 'Allowing such students deferment would be unfair to the vast majority of their peers studying in junior colleges, polytechnics and other institutions who do not have the same opportunity to be deferred for their university studies.'
Samuel's father, Mr Roger Tan, said his youngest of three sons had started the SIM course knowing there was a chance he would not get to defer. 'But we didn't want to waste time waiting for him to hit 18 before he started NS. It was a risk we had to take,' said the IT manager.
He could have enlisted earlier, as teens aged 161/2 can apply for early enlistment. But his father did not want him to do that: 'Boys that age are too young, immature and slow to learn. The risk is too high and they will be more prone to accidents.'
An SIM spokesman said the credits Samuel obtained in his first three quarters of the year will still be valid when he finishes his NS in two years' time.
Since the start of the year, five other SIM students have had to stop their studies to enlist for NS. So far, all returning students have not had to pick up new modules to replace the old ones, the spokesman said.
When contacted, a Mindef spokesman said it considers two main factors when facing a deferment request.
One is the need to preserve equity in terms of educational attainment before NS. The second is the need to enlist NS-liable males for rigorous military training 'while they are young and fit'.
Mr Tan, 54, said his son was asking for a three-month delay and would be only half a year older upon actual enlistment.
'Even with a full deferment, he would only be 20 years old upon the completion of his degree course. He'll still be young and fit then,' he said. [email protected]

A change in the legislation is needed if we are to allow people to defer for university too, I think. Its a sad case, I think, but because the law is so badly applied, I don't think he has a choice. The father and son are logically right, but faced with an absurd law, there's not much both can do.

But I guess if he finishes his NS, he might wanna consider emigrating, since his country treated him so shabbily.
 

Cestbon

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then abolish NS lor . So easy .

Yes abolish NS. Make it volunteer and pay higher salary. Every one happy Win Win situation. Those join SAF will be more patroitic. Since nowday technology improve so much we don't need so many SAF can save cost and less talent and workforce wasted on NS. Who really want to attack Singapore, we have nothing oil/gold. What PM and minister need to do just don't create trouble like talk bad thing about others country or show off ours acheivement. Theirs country problems is up to them to solve, what Singapore can do is give some ideas or soft loan when they ask only. Not bla bla bla......
No one really care about Sinkie tiny island.
 

HalalOink

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HAnds up all u ppl who will take arms if we were to go to war...

I know I am not gonna do that and just flee the country... Not worth saving... Nothing to defend. A big bomb drops and half the country is gone already...
 

scroobal

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Tough decison for Mindef. If give in to SIM student, then the Informatics student also want, then how :smile:
Its one decision I have to agree with Mindef. In the early days of NS, parents of the rich would execute the bond, kids complete their teritiary education and return to do their NS. For some reason, Instructors seem to treat thse chaps with alot of leeway. Many of them return, do the BMT and often end up in nice staff posting pushing pen.

I am actually surprised by NMP Siew who does not appear to know about the various scams in the past about shipping kids for matriculation etc to delay NS. His notion of underdogs and minority must be a numeracy thing only.

The fact that the parents applied 5 times shows that the family wanted to be treated special.
 

Gillette

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The NS deferment system is a joke. Government scholars are on auto deferment scheme while the rest of Singaporean males literally have to beg Mindef for it. Obviously this is selective application of the law and smacks of elitism.
 

BlueCat

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if only you are SAF scholars or government's scholarship,sure can get deferment or disruption.
 
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