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MBS casino levy can be paid at AXS machines

ray_of_hope

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Nov 4, 2010, Straits Times
MBS casino levy can be paid at AXS machines
Critics say this makes it too easy for gamblers

By Ng Kai Ling

The levy can be paid either by credit card or Nets. There are more than 650 self-service AXS terminals here. -- ST PHOTO: DESMOND FOO

ASIDE from paying bills or fines, people can use AXS machines all over the island to pay the levy for entry into the casino at Marina Bay Sands (MBS).

Soon, they can also pay the levy using DBS automated teller machines.

While selling levies through AXS machines is allowed under the Casino Control Act, counsellors interviewed said this makes it too convenient for gamblers. There are more than 650 self-service AXS terminals and more than 900 DBS and POSB ATMs all over Singapore.

A spokesman for the Ministry of Community Development, Youth and Sports told The Straits Times: 'We are studying the implications and a decision will be announced in due course.'

In September, MBS and Resorts World Sentosa were directed to stop offering shuttle bus services that ferry people to the resorts from the downtown and heartland areas.

At the time, the Minister for Community Development, Youth and Sports, Dr Vivian Balakrishnan, said that the move to stop the integrated resort (IR) bus services was 'to reinforce the point that they are not supposed to go after the low-hanging fruit which the local market represents, but instead to focus their efforts on bringing additional tourists from abroad'.

The AXS service was rolled out on May 11 without much fanfare. Since then, more than 250 daily and annual levies have been bought from the machines. They cost $100 and $2,000 respectively.

The option to buy the levy can be found under the services tab at any AXS machine. From there, all the user has to do is key in his NRIC number, select the type of levy and then pay either by credit card or Nets.

Only credit cards issued by DBS Bank, and Diners credit cards, are accepted but Nets payment can be done with an ATM card from any bank.

Asked what she thought of the service, Madam Halimah Yacob, a Member of Parliament for Jurong GRC, who had spoken out strongly against the shuttle bus services, said: 'I really don't understand what's going on. The whole premise of the casinos is to attract tourists, not about making it easier and more convenient for Singaporeans to gamble.'

Dr Derek da Cunha, author of Singapore Places Its Bets, a book about the two IRs and their economic and social impact, believes selling casino levies through AXS machines will only have a marginal effect in facilitating people to gamble.

To him, the bigger problem is one of perception. He said: 'Providing more options for paying the entry levy will merely fuel a public perception that the levy, as a revenue raising stream for the Government, is as important, if not more important than its underlying social objective of deterring Singaporeans and PRs from frequenting the casinos.'

One counsellor, who works with problem gamblers, says the service is literally at people's doorsteps.

Mr Dick Lum, executive director of halfway house The Hiding Place, said: 'MBS is working very hard to get customers by providing this service. It's dangerous because they are making it more accessible and convenient.'

Others said it could spell big trouble for problem gamblers.

Mr Charles Lee, senior counsellor at Tanjong Pagar Family Service Centre, said: 'To an addict, no matter how difficult it is to get a levy, they would still gamble. This service just makes it much more accessible.'

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silverfox@

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Nov 4, 2010, Straits Times
MBS casino levy can be paid at AXS machines
Critics say this makes it too easy for gamblers

By Ng Kai Ling


In September, MBS and Resorts World Sentosa were directed to stop offering shuttle bus services that ferry people to the resorts from the downtown and heartland areas.

Let's not think that these shuttle bus services were terminated for people. The reason it was terminated is for the interests of SMRT and SBS. :p Putting it in a nice way that no shuttle bus services be allowed in heartlands for the good of the people is just plain bullshit.
 

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Let's not think that these shuttle bus services were terminated for people. The reason it was terminated is for the interests of SMRT and SBS. :p Putting it in a nice way that no shuttle bus services be allowed in heartlands for the good of the people is just plain bullshit.

You are right. Ultimately is for the benefits of SMRT and SBS. No wonder Singapore welcomes more FTs. For those staying in condos where a shuttle bus available for resident. Initially it was free as one of the facilties. Now had to pay min $1.00 per trip to the nearest MRT, compulsory by LTA.
 

scroobal

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Looks like the authorities have been paying lip service when they claimed that they were going to ensure that proper steps will be taken.
 

silverfox@

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Looks like the authorities have been paying lip service when they claimed that they were going to ensure that proper steps will be taken.

Actually I have never paid a single levy from internet banking or via any axs machine. All were paid when I reached the casino doorstep. I think most people do that too.

I feel, The AXS machines would only be doing "brisk business", if levies cannot be bought at casino entrance.
 

aurvandil

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Actually I have never paid a single levy from internet banking or via any axs machine. All were paid when I reached the casino doorstep. I think most people do that too.

I feel, The AXS machines would only be doing "brisk business", if levies cannot be bought at casino entrance.

They are a good option if you are paying the $100 daily levy and don't want to queue.

For those on 24 hour daily levy, I just found out the optimum time to buy is 2pm. The time schedule works like this.

1) Buy levy at 2 pm.
2) Gamble from 2 pm to 7 pm.
3) 7pm to 8 pm Eat dinner
4) Gamble from 8 pm to 11.30pm
5) Catch last bus home at 11.30 pm
6) Tomorrow reach at 8 am.
7) Gamble from 8 am to 2 pm.
 

0939

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They are a good option if you are paying the $100 daily levy and don't want to queue.

For those on 24 hour daily levy, I just found out the optimum time to buy is 2pm. The time schedule works like this.

1) Buy levy at 2 pm.
2) Gamble from 2 pm to 7 pm.
3) 7pm to 8 pm Eat dinner
4) Gamble from 8 pm to 11.30pm
5) Catch last bus home at 11.30 pm
6) Tomorrow reach at 8 am.
7) Gamble from 8 am to 2 pm.

You have no discipline if you play this method. You are playing long hours with them. Let me explain what is gambling. The way you gamble is like playing table tennis with casino. This time, casino always serve the ball to you, right?. Casino always deals the card, lets say baccarat.
You know the scores of table tennis like. You win, I win, You win, I win. Eventually lets just say it is a draw game. By then, you will loose a lot because of the odds and commissions. At the end of the day, where are your objectives. Dude, what you are doing is making full use of that $100 levy.
You do not understand the meaning of winning and losing.
 

silverfox@

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They are a good option if you are paying the $100 daily levy and don't want to queue.

For those on 24 hour daily levy, I just found out the optimum time to buy is 2pm. The time schedule works like this.

1) Buy levy at 2 pm.
2) Gamble from 2 pm to 7 pm.
3) 7pm to 8 pm Eat dinner
4) Gamble from 8 pm to 11.30pm
5) Catch last bus home at 11.30 pm
6) Tomorrow reach at 8 am.
7) Gamble from 8 am to 2 pm.

This is hardship, this is not gambling. :(

Btw, pay levy no need queue. So many vending machines outside casino, empty one
 
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aurvandil

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This is hardship, this is not gambling. :(

Heard this from a security gaurd uncle. He was teaching a cleaning auntie how to max out the $100 levy. As this is a long weekend, they were discussing going to casno to "enjoy a bit".

Accroding to him if you play like this, it is almost the same as going Genting for the long weekend. In fact, it is supposed to be even better since you can get savings from things like the bus ticket, hotel room, overpriced Genting food etc.
 

theblackhole

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Hahahaha, full use of the levy. I think many uncles and aunties are doing that.Some even go home and return. Some soaked in and then fainted because they don't eat and don't sleep properly. Although they are eating, their thoughts are on the numbers and slots.

Just look at them early in the morning - all in a dazed and intoxicated state.Many of them have already lost a fortune!!! Even their initial winnings all turned to ashes!!!

The diabolical scheme of the casino - the merciless and cold-blooded robbery of those who cannot control or discipline themselves. They will lose everything and some of them will end up at The Tower.

The levy becomes a killer.
 

chootchiew

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Hahahaha, full use of the levy. I think many uncles and aunties are doing that.Some even go home and return. Some soaked in and then fainted because they don't eat and don't sleep properly. Although they are eating, their thoughts are on the numbers and slots.

Just look at them early in the morning - all in a dazed and intoxicated state.Many of them have already lost a fortune!!! Even their initial winnings all turned to ashes!!!

The diabolical scheme of the casino - the merciless and cold-blooded robbery of those who cannot control or discipline themselves. They will lose everything and some of them will end up at The Tower.

The levy becomes a killer.

The levy is indeed a killer to me . I only went RWS once when it 1st opened , end up losing $3.1k home, incl of the levy. After playing for few hours, i was either still losing the $100 for levy or up to $300 max, Finally I decided to bet $500 to $1k per hand in bacarrat using my original $3k stake and ended losing all. I will never go there again the levy seems a curse to me :mad:
 

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The levy is indeed a killer to me . I only went RWS once when it 1st opened , end up losing $3.1k home, incl of the levy. After playing for few hours, i was either still losing the $100 for levy or up to $300 max, Finally I decided to bet $500 to $1k per hand in bacarrat using my original $3k stake and ended losing all. I will never go there again the levy seems a curse to me :mad:

You should have stop at $300 gain. Come back another day, pay levy, you $200 casino money to bet. Remember, win small and think big.
 

chootchiew

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You should have stop at $300 gain. Come back another day, pay levy, you $200 casino money to bet. Remember, win small and think big.

Yes you are right ! I believe many punter lost as a result of same action as me. Now if i go again i will surely remember the 3.1k (in fact is 3.2k cos have to pay levy again) so i won't go again till i can forget about this 3.1k.
 

theblackhole

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hi bro chootchiew, sorry to hear about your loss. anyway, it's a lesson for all of us. the moment we step into the casino, we better wake up and not sleep...while our cash drain away mindlessly..

if you are up, think of leaving...if you are down, also think of leaving...don't chase for more winnings and don't chase your loss...in the end, youj will lose all ...including your winnings and your original bankroll...

thanks for sharing.
 

silverfox@

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Heard this from a security gaurd uncle. He was teaching a cleaning auntie how to max out the $100 levy. As this is a long weekend, they were discussing going to casno to "enjoy a bit".

Accroding to him if you play like this, it is almost the same as going Genting for the long weekend. In fact, it is supposed to be even better since you can get savings from things like the bus ticket, hotel room, overpriced Genting food etc.

The security guard's name must be Aurva and the cleaning auntie's name is ndil. :wink:
 

aurvandil

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The security guard's name must be Aurva and the cleaning auntie's name is ndil. :wink:

Nope. The security gaurd was called Loserfox while the cleaning lady was called Gulliblefox. They are all from the fox family so they are distantly related to "wannabe" hawker tycoon cum statistically illiterate gambling guru silverfox.
 
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silverfox@

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Nope. The security gaurd was called Loserfox while the cleaning lady was called Gulliblefox. They are all from the fox family so they are distantly related to "wannabe" hawker tycoon cum statistically illiterate gambling guru silverfox.

For those on 24 hour daily levy, I just found out the optimum time to buy is 2pm. The time schedule works like this.

1) Buy levy at 2 pm.
2) Gamble from 2 pm to 7 pm.
3) 7pm to 8 pm Eat dinner
4) Gamble from 8 pm to 11.30pm
5) Catch last bus home at 11.30 pm
6) Tomorrow reach at 8 am.
7) Gamble from 8 am to 2 pm.

Next time if you think of a story to maximise your levy, please don't push it to security guard or auntie. To say that the timing "they" gave is the "optimum timing", just make me want to laugh at you.
 

aurvandil

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Next time if you think of a story to maximise your levy, please don't push it to security guard or auntie. To say that the timing "they" gave is the "optimum timing", just make me want to laugh at you.

What is so sensitive or embarassing about this that I cannot say myself and must push to someone else to say?
 
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