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Liat Towers flooding traced to Stamford Canal

Thick Face Black Heart

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SINGAPORE: The cause of flooding at Liat Towers last Friday has been traced to Stamford Canal's fundamental problem of being unable to cope with the surge in water during heavy and prolonged rainfall.

And that's why during last Friday's downpour, the canal reached its full capacity very quickly.

Explaining on Friday why the flooding occurred on December 23, PUB said that the prolonged and heavy rain that day caused some parts of Stamford Canal to flow full.

The national water agency said that 152.8mm of rain fell on Orchard Road from 2.20pm to 5.20pm that day.

This is equivalent to about half the average monthly total of 287.4mm of rain recorded for the entire month of December over the last 142 years (1869 to 2010).

The sustained heavy downpour resulted in the flooding of several roads including the Thomson/Cambridge areas as well as the basements of Liat Towers and Lucky Plaza.

At Lucky Plaza, rainwater drained into the basement via the steps.

For Liat Towers, rainwater that had drained off from the roof and the back area of the building overflowed into the basement area from an internal drain, as water could not flow out into the canal, which was full.

The pumping system at Liat Towers is able to pump out the water from the open basement area when the canal is not full.

But when the Stamford Canal in front of Liat Towers reached 100 per cent capacity, the pumps were not able to discharge the water in the basement into the canal. However the pumps were still able to pump some water onto the pedestrian walkway.

To improve flood protection during similar storms, Liat Towers will be building a perimeter wall along its internal drain as an interim measure. Construction of the wall will begin on December 31 and will take about four to five days.

Liat Towers management is also considering installing more goose-neck pumps, perhaps even at a larger capacity, to divert water onto the pedestrian walkway if water overflows past the perimeter wall.

PUB said it takes its responsibility for flood management seriously. It added that while it is not possible for PUB to completely eliminate flash floods, it will do everything feasible to prevent it, mitigate it and keep the public informed.

The agency has been working closely with the management of flood-affected buildings.

PUB's director of 3P network, George Madhavan, said: "Since 23 December, PUB officers have been meeting regularly with the management of Liat Towers to review, to enhance the flood protection for this building.

"What we are clear is that both PUB as well as Liat Towers are determined to put in measures to make sure that this (flooding) does not recur."

Liat Towers' director of property management, Lydia Tjhia said: "PUB (officers) have come down many times for discussions with Liat Towers and they have been very helpful.

"They have given us a few recommendations, one of which is the raising of the 60cm curb. This will allow more water to be held within this so-called pond and with the difference in pressure we'd be able to drain the water into the canal.

"However, when the canal is full there may be times when the water might overflow onto the pedestrian walkway."

As for Lucky Plaza, its management is in the process of putting in place flood barriers after getting in-principle approval from the Urban Redevelopment Authority (URA) in October.

But the installation could be delayed.

Lucky Plaza has been asked to tweak its design of the barriers to ensure better pedestrian flow along the walkway.

URA said Lucky Plaza has yet to resubmit the refined proposal to URA for further consideration and approval.

PUB said it will work with Lucky Plaza to ensure that an effective flood prevention system is implemented quickly.

PUB noted that although the rainfall recorded on 23 December was higher than what was recorded in June last year, Orchard Road remained passable to traffic.

This was because after the June 2010 floods at Orchard Road, PUB raised the road to improve the flood protection for the area. This was completed in June this year.

Nevertheless, recognising the constraints in expanding Stamford Canal given the highly urbanised development in the area, PUB is studying the feasibility of building a detention pond and a diversion canal for the Stamford catchment in the longer term.

The study started in August this year. PUB will share the details when it completes the study by May 2012.

- CNA/fa/ir
 

Thick Face Black Heart

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Key points:

(a) Why is Stamford canal so badly designed? And why the backtracking by PUB which initially insisted that the problem was not to do with Stamford canal but with Liat towers pumping capacity?

(b) The ridiculous term "ponding" no longer being used in MSM articles.

(c) Why are various improvements to the road system implemented only after repeated flooding? The govt does not anticipate flooding will ever occur? Once in 50 years Yaacob philosophy?
 

halsey02

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Your fault : Your pumps, pumped water to the sidewalks instead of the drains, thus back flowing into the basement. God's fault, for He made the skies rained double the amount of water to fall. It is God's mandate that you voted for the people who point fingers at you first, before really admitting it is their mistakes, while YOU are paying their obscene salaries.

In short : it is YOUR FAULT, especially the 60%.:p
 
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vamjok

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die die also dun want to admit its the marina chee bye fault. reason? it cos billion to build, die die also cannot admit that is the source of all problem
 

winners

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die die also dun want to admit its the marina chee bye fault. reason? it cos billion to build, die die also cannot admit that is the source of all problem

Who dares to oppose when this is the old man's pet project. Even when he dies, his ashes will be strewn into the waters in the Marina Barrage.
 

kingrant

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PUB should be shot!

When the flood broke, Liat Towers mgmt already correctly pinned the cause (and thus the blame) squarely on the Stamford Canal. Yet PUB denied, and even when it got to the press, they still denied that Stamford Canal was the cause and blamed it on LT's pumps capacity.

Now taking on high ground, PUB declares that it wants to work with LTM to resolve the issue. It is unashamedly a face-saving measure. The same usual typical reflex: deny all liabilities first, then find dry high ground, and condescend to work with peasantry.

Utter shame! How can this be the new normal?
 

Fook Seng

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Any legal experts here can comment on whether a Wheelock vs the Rep of Singapore has a case here? It seems clear to me that the govt has the duty of care to prevent the ingression of pood water into a private compound. More so if Wheelock has covered its basement from direct rainfall. Not sure about that but future renovation should take that into consideration
 
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Fook Seng

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Fook Seng said:
Any legal experts here can comment on whether a Wheelock vs the Rep of Singapore has a case here? It seems clear to me that the govt has the duty of care to prevent the ingression of pood water into a private compound. More so if Wheelock has covered its basement from direct rainfall. Not sure about that but future renovation should take that into consideration

Sorry it is not Wheelock Place. It should be Liat Tower management vs the Rep of Singapore.
 

Cestbon

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SINGAPORE: The cause of flooding at Liat Towers last Friday has been traced to Stamford Canal's fundamental problem of being unable to cope with the surge in water during heavy and prolonged rainfall.

And that's why during last Friday's downpour, the canal reached its full capacity very quickly.

Explaining on Friday why the flooding occurred on December 23, PUB said that the prolonged and heavy rain that day caused some parts of Stamford Canal to flow full.

The national water agency said that 152.8mm of rain fell on Orchard Road from 2.20pm to 5.20pm that day.

This is equivalent to about half the average monthly total of 287.4mm of rain recorded for the entire month of December over the last 142 years (1869 to 2010).

The sustained heavy downpour resulted in the flooding of several roads including the Thomson/Cambridge areas as well as the basements of Liat Towers and Lucky Plaza.

At Lucky Plaza, rainwater drained into the basement via the steps.

For Liat Towers, rainwater that had drained off from the roof and the back area of the building overflowed into the basement area from an internal drain, as water could not flow out into the canal, which was full.

The pumping system at Liat Towers is able to pump out the water from the open basement area when the canal is not full.

But when the Stamford Canal in front of Liat Towers reached 100 per cent capacity, the pumps were not able to discharge the water in the basement into the canal. However the pumps were still able to pump some water onto the pedestrian walkway.

To improve flood protection during similar storms, Liat Towers will be building a perimeter wall along its internal drain as an interim measure. Construction of the wall will begin on December 31 and will take about four to five days.

Liat Towers management is also considering installing more goose-neck pumps, perhaps even at a larger capacity, to divert water onto the pedestrian walkway if water overflows past the perimeter wall.

PUB said it takes its responsibility for flood management seriously. It added that while it is not possible for PUB to completely eliminate flash floods, it will do everything feasible to prevent it, mitigate it and keep the public informed.

The agency has been working closely with the management of flood-affected buildings.

PUB's director of 3P network, George Madhavan, said: "Since 23 December, PUB officers have been meeting regularly with the management of Liat Towers to review, to enhance the flood protection for this building.

"What we are clear is that both PUB as well as Liat Towers are determined to put in measures to make sure that this (flooding) does not recur."

Liat Towers' director of property management, Lydia Tjhia said: "PUB (officers) have come down many times for discussions with Liat Towers and they have been very helpful.

"They have given us a few recommendations, one of which is the raising of the 60cm curb. This will allow more water to be held within this so-called pond and with the difference in pressure we'd be able to drain the water into the canal.

"However, when the canal is full there may be times when the water might overflow onto the pedestrian walkway."

As for Lucky Plaza, its management is in the process of putting in place flood barriers after getting in-principle approval from the Urban Redevelopment Authority (URA) in October.

But the installation could be delayed.

Lucky Plaza has been asked to tweak its design of the barriers to ensure better pedestrian flow along the walkway.

URA said Lucky Plaza has yet to resubmit the refined proposal to URA for further consideration and approval.

PUB said it will work with Lucky Plaza to ensure that an effective flood prevention system is implemented quickly.

PUB noted that although the rainfall recorded on 23 December was higher than what was recorded in June last year, Orchard Road remained passable to traffic.

This was because after the June 2010 floods at Orchard Road, PUB raised the road to improve the flood protection for the area. This was completed in June this year.

Nevertheless, recognising the constraints in expanding Stamford Canal given the highly urbanised development in the area, PUB is studying the feasibility of building a detention pond and a diversion canal for the Stamford catchment in the longer term.

The study started in August this year. PUB will share the details when it completes the study by May 2012.

- CNA/fa/ir

Pump water in pedestrian that really stupid. The water will flow to next building or flow back.
 

kingrant

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Not easy to fight with City Hall. Hefty legal bills vs possible loss in court or meagre compensation.

I remember the historic case when Jeffrey Chan as District Judge ruled that the collection of ERP fees at the early gantry at Nicoll Highway was unlawful. What the govt did was to correct the legal anomaly but refused to refund all the fees collected.


Sorry it is not Wheelock Place. It should be Liat Tower management vs the Rep of Singapore.
 

Fook Seng

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kingrant said:
Not easy to fight with City Hall. Hefty legal bills vs possible loss in court or meagre compensation.

I remember the historic case when Jeffrey Chan as District Judge ruled that the collection of ERP fees at the early gantry at Nicoll Highway was unlawful. What the govt did was to correct the legal anomaly but refused to refund all the fees collected.

That was disregard for the law of the land by the Government.
 

Thick Face Black Heart

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Generous Asset
PUB should be shot!

When the flood broke, Liat Towers mgmt already correctly pinned the cause (and thus the blame) squarely on the Stamford Canal. Yet PUB denied, and even when it got to the press, they still denied that Stamford Canal was the cause and blamed it on LT's pumps capacity.

Now taking on high ground, PUB declares that it wants to work with LTM to resolve the issue. It is unashamedly a face-saving measure. The same usual typical reflex: deny all liabilities first, then find dry high ground, and condescend to work with peasantry.

Utter shame! How can this be the new normal?


Exactly. . . . . . . .
 

Seee3

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PUB should be shot!

When the flood broke, Liat Towers mgmt already correctly pinned the cause (and thus the blame) squarely on the Stamford Canal. Yet PUB denied, and even when it got to the press, they still denied that Stamford Canal was the cause and blamed it on LT's pumps capacity.

Now taking on high ground, PUB declares that it wants to work with LTM to resolve the issue. It is unashamedly a face-saving measure. The same usual typical reflex: deny all liabilities first, then find dry high ground, and condescend to work with peasantry.

Utter shame! How can this be the new normal?

Fully agreed. How can they suka suka change stand. I was surprised until I saw the chap they interviewed on tv (happens to know him). If he can be director (i.e. superscale officer), who else can't.
 
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johnny333

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i tell you the reason....

Before what used to be Orchard ION, there was land that absorb rain water.

Now, it 4 levels deep of concrete ION. Waterproofed, not even air can go in...

Rain water got no where else to go

and up in Liat towers area


The flash floods affected many parts of Spore & not just Orchard Rd. So I doubt that overbuilding is the only factor.
 

ChaoPappyPoodle

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The new PUB CEO's first public mini-crisis and he screws up bigtime! I'm surprised that they didn't attribute the initial reply to an issue with one of their templates. :biggrin:

With such a CEO, we can be quite certain that he is hell-bent on keeping face as long as there is any possibility that they can come out of any crisis without absolute facts to proof otherwise. The only reason why they recanted on their initial response was that the PUBs public announcements showed that Stamford Canal did indeed overflow. This information was thrown back at them and they had no choice but to accept responsiblity or at least to a agree with Liat Tower's assertion that their pumps were doing its job but the overflowing canal made the work of the pumps superfluous.
 

longbow

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If drainage is poor then it will flood. PUB should spend more of its time improving the major drainage system rather then try and tell the individual building owners to redirect water to the building down the street.

Gov caught between a rock and a hard place. They were busy redeveloping Orchard Road as well as all the enbloc/condo projects all the way up the Bukit Timah Canal. So now the whole area is concreted over and the moment it rains, water gets directed into the canals and overwhelms the canals. Now they have to spend big $$$ to improve the drainage system. Before they were happy collecting $ from land sales but now they have to spend $. Also they have to put a stop to major redevlopment projects as that will create even more flash floods.

The thing is that widening of canals means use of land (less land to sell) aside from the $ needed to widen the canal. But they cannot avoid as this has become a political issue.
 
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