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Islamic scholar says ‘if the Quran says that the Earth is flat, then it has to be flat’

duluxe

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Plenty of instances of science having to catch up to the Quran. I'll give you two:

Quran 23:12-14
"And indeed, We created humankind1 from an extract of clay,
then placed each ˹human˺ as a sperm-drop in a secure place,
then We developed the drop into a clinging clot ˹of blood˺, then developed the clot into a lump ˹of flesh˺, then developed the lump into bones, then clothed the bones with flesh, then We brought it into being as a new creation.1 So Blessed is Allah, the Best of Creators."

The best part is no one knew until recently:
Quran 86:6-7
"They were created from a spurting fluid,
stemming from between the backbone and the ribcage."

Muslims were the ones who lent their knowledge to lift Europe out of the dark ages. Them ungrateful lot!

Wow! Very amazing biological science that opens my mata. Muuds would be better going to full time madrasah schools. Singapore Institue of Biology should employ more muud scientitsts.
 

Loofydralb

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Wow! Very amazing biological science that opens my mata. Muuds would be better going to full time madrasah schools. Singapore Institue of Biology should employ more muud scientitsts.
There is more where science needs to catch up, but disbelievers will persist no matter what evidence you put out.
One more miracle you actually can see in SG is that some of the bodies that are exhumed from the Muslim cemeteries are not decomposed even after decades, and looked like they were buried yesterday. Note that we do not preserve the body with anything.
This has been described by the prophet 1400 years ago.
And we Muslims are envious of these dead persons.
 

duluxe

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There is more where science needs to catch up, but disbelievers will persist no matter what evidence you put out.
One more miracle you actually can see in SG is that some of the bodies that are exhumed from the Muslim cemeteries are not decomposed even after decades, and looked like they were buried yesterday. Note that we do not preserve the body with anything.
This has been described by the prophet 1400 years ago.
And we Muslims are envious of these dead persons.

What is your understanding of the long article posted by Sam? With your background in Koran, should be easily for you to answer.
 

duluxe

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About buried bodies not decaying, it has nothing to do with islamic superstitious or miracle. There are many records of Infidel Human bodies 1000 years ago dugged up undecayed, you just need to google. Good luck that you have attained the passport to fake heaven which exist only in belief.
 

duluxe

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Muslims were the ones who lent their knowledge to lift Europe out of the dark ages. Them ungrateful lot!

Sound like I must be grateful to my muuds classmates for letting me scored better them in maths.

Are muuds grateful to keleng for bringing islam to them?

You forgot the muslim writing was invented way way behind in civilization time.
 
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JohnTan

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Nothing supercedes the Quran. That forms the basis and foundation.

The current 1924 cairo moslem quran supposedly allows moslems to change religion. The hadith, dated 250 years after the non-existant first edition Uthman quran, says specifically to kill any moslem who changes their islamic religion. moslem scholars agree that this hadith supercedes the 1924 cairo quran.


And finally, it's laughable to say the Quran compiled in 1924?
We have Quran way before that that is exactly the same as the ones we have today.

It's not laughable. It's a historical fact that the current version of the quran you read is standardized in 1924. A simple Google search will confirm it.

There's no existing copy of the quran from uthman's era, where the first quran was compiled. Even the oldest Birmingham quran manuscript is only 2 pages long!
 

Loofydralb

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About buried bodies not decaying, it has nothing to do with islamic superstitious or miracle. There are many records of Infidel Human bodies 1000 years ago dugged up undecayed, you just need to google. Good luck that you have attained the passport to fake heaven which exist only in belief.
There are Muslims since the first Adam was allowed on earth. So no surprises that one who submits to one Allah, no idols, follow the prophet of his day and live a righteous upright lives.
 

Leongsam

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So according to this logic, even the Sun and Moon is flat too? Just so happened oriented in such a way that the flat face is facing earth? LOL.

Everything is flat. The fact we perceive planets to be round is because space itself is curved by gravity.
 

Loofydralb

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The current 1924 cairo moslem quran supposedly allows moslems to change religion. The hadith, dated 250 years after the non-existant first edition Uthman quran, says specifically to kill any moslem who changes their islamic religion. moslem scholars agree that this hadith supercedes the 1924 cairo quran.




It's not laughable. It's a historical fact that the current version of the quran you read is standardized in 1924. A simple Google search will confirm it.

There's no existing copy of the quran from uthman's era, where the first quran was compiled. Even the oldest Birmingham quran manuscript is only 2 pages long!
Ah. Such desperation. You mean that oldest Quran fragment which is 2 pages, and has absolutely zero differences with today's version? Not a single mistake or error? Nothing?

Would that not be a miracle considering your bible has thousands of editions, every one of them differ from the other, and none is in it's original language!

Try harder.
 

duluxe

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There are Muslims since the first Adam was allowed on earth. So no surprises that one who submits to one Allah, no idols, follow the prophet of his day and live a righteous upright lives.

Since they were muslims before Muhammed, what is the point of Muhammed creating islam?
 

Loofydralb

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Since they were muslims before Muhammed, what is the point of Muhammed creating islam?
Excellent question. Prophet Muhammad didn't create Islam. It was there since the first man. Adam interacted with Allah and he knew there is only One God.
Every prophet came with the same core message. Some even came with scripture from Allah.
After the passing of those prophets, the people changed, morphed, innovated, corrupted the religion.
Thus Allah sent prophets again to bring them back.
Until Allah decreed the last prophet with the last revelation which he will forever protect it's integrity.
The Quran itself is a miracle. Survived 1400 years without a single change. Verses inside it tells of things humans have long forgotten, things that humans of the time never knew, things your books read in error, totally without contradiction and no loose ends.
 
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duluxe

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Excellent question. Prophet Muhammad didn't create Islam. It was there since the first man. Adam interacted with Allah and he knew there is only One God.
Every prophet came with the same core message. Some even came with scripture from Allah.
After the passing of those prophets, the people changed, morphed, innovated, corrupted the religion.
Thus Allah sent prophets again to bring them back.
Until Allah decreed the last prophet with the last revelation which he will forever protect it's integrity.
The Quran itself is a miracle. Survived 1400 years without a single change. Verses inside it tells of things humans have long forgotten, things that humans of the time never knew, things your books read in error, totally without contradiction and no loose ends.

Then @syed putra @JohnTan and myself are muslims, please don't behead us when you can meet us.
 

duluxe

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Everything is flat. The fact we perceive planets to be round is because space itself is curved by gravity.

The Koran says the earth is stationary and the sun revolves around the sun, how do you explian using gravity?
 

Leongsam

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The Koran says the earth is stationary and the sun revolves around the sun, how do you explian using gravity?

All motion is relative. You may think that you're standing still in the middle of your living room but in reality you're hurtling through space at an incredible speed relative to other planetary reference frames. Cosmic expansion further adds to the velocity relative to other galaxies.

Nothing is as it seems. Quantum entanglements add to the intrigue of the world we live in as it enables two entangled particles to communicate across millions of miles in no time at all ie faster than the speed of light.

We are only beginning to understand what the term "reality" actually means and the more we understand the more we realise what we have not even begun to fathom.
 

mudhatter

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The Quran is a 1924 book.


you are a rodent as your username says

on second thought, even a rodent should be such a dunce.

:biggrin:

no miracle whatsoever is debunked, i didn't even watch the vid. he is free to debate zakir naik or his followers and if he can win, then I can watch his bogus vids.
 

mudhatter

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All motion is relative. You may think that you're standing still in the middle of your living room but in reality you're hurtling through space at an incredible speed relative to other planetary reference frames. Cosmic expansion further adds to the velocity relative to other galaxies.

Nothing is as it seems. Quantum entanglements add to the intrigue of the world we live in as it enables two entangled particles to communicate across millions of miles in no time at all ie faster than the speed of light.

We are only beginning to understand what the term "reality" actually means and the more we understand the more we realise what we have not even begun to fathom.

You may have said all this in jest but there is actually truth to it.
 

mudhatter

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Why would a Muslim behead anybody without reason?


And where did the Quran said that?

Nowhere.

He is a CECA virus. Affected by malnutrition, sanitationless environment. Enjoying his time in his pure CECAdia with his besties.

Swimming in his pure heavenly Ganges to purify his soul. :roflmao:

True to his religion, he blurts out some incomprehensible or untrue statements. Bread & butter for him.
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