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Indon Wants To Break Aviation Treaty! Shan Says No! Can WP Handle Foreign Affairs?

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JAKARTA: Indonesia's government is looking to take over control of the airspace above the Riau Islands from Singapore, the Jakarta Globe reported on Tuesday (Sep 8).

In response, Singapore's Law and Foreign Affairs Minister K Shanmugam said any such move would have implications to the Republic's position as an aviation hub, noting that the current set of regulations were put in place with the approval of the global aviation authorities.

According to the newspaper, the issue was discussed during an Indonesian cabinet meeting after lawmakers called for action on the matter following the Indonesian military’s “complaints about the city-state's alleged violations with its fighter-jet drills and its protests against Indonesian military aircraft presence in the area”.

Indonesia Transport Minister Ignasius Jonan said that President Joko Widodo “has instructed us to prepare better equipment, better personnel over the next three or four years so that we can take over the management of our own airspace, which has been hitherto delegated to Singapore", the Globe quoted him as saying.

Mr Jonan said that Singapore had been in control of flights in the airspace above Riau Islands - including Batam, Tanjungpinang, Bintan and the Natuna islands - since 1946.

“We also will talk with Singapore and Malaysia. And when we're ready, we'll take over the airspace,” Mr Jonan told the Jakarta Globe.

The bilateral pact, which allowed the Singapore military to conduct activities in the airspace above the Riau Islands, expired in 2001 and has never been renewed, reported the Jakarta Globe.

AGREEMENTS WERE SANCTIONED: SHANMUGAM

Foreign Affairs Minister K Shanmugam, speaking later on Tuesday, noted that the current airspace agreements were sanctioned by the International Civil Aviation Organisation (ICAO).

"Today, under an agreement with the Indonesian government, our air traffic controllers handle the flight information region beyond our borders and over Sumatra, but the fees collected for that are handed over to the Indonesian government. This is something that is sanctioned by ICAO," he said at a press conference held in relation to the ongoing General Election.

"Under a series of agreements that we had negotiated, in the best interests of Singapore and our neighbors including Indonesia, we have been able to structure these sort of arrangements - which I think most Singaporeans are not aware of, but which are vital to regional air safety, which are vital in the interest of the countries involved and which are vital to our own aviation jobs.

"Any changes in that could have potential consequences to all of this, the current arrangements are done, in place, with ICAO sanctions, ICAO's approval.

"If there is any change to the agreement, any change that obviously impacts on us as an aviation hub and the jobs in Singapore. There are implications for our position as an aviation hub. We are one of the busiest airports in Asia, aviation hub in this region. Tens of thousands of jobs are dependent on our position as an aviation hub."

- CNA/rw

http://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/indonesia-to-take-over/2113898.html?cid=fbsg
 

Ambulance

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Re: Indon Wants To Break Aviation Treaty! Shan Says No! Can WP Handle Foreign Affairs

halo gung lai gung kee mah see ai lui si boh
 

steffychun

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Re: Indon Wants To Break Aviation Treaty! Shan Says No! Can WP Handle Foreign Affairs

Yes WP can.

Gerald Giam has a Masters in IPE.

Pritam Singha studied abroad.
 

50000

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Re: Indon Wants To Break Aviation Treaty! Shan Says No! Can WP Handle Foreign Affairs

...The bilateral pact, which allowed the Singapore military to conduct activities in the airspace above the Riau Islands, expired in 2001 and has never been renewed, reported the Jakarta Globe.

If PAP was any good, they would have renewed it before 2001.....
 

mojito

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Renew for what? Give them lor. Less work.
 

mojito

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Re: Indon Wants To Break Aviation Treaty! Shan Says No! Can WP Handle Foreign Affairs

Yes WP can.

Gerald Giam has a Masters in IPE.

Pritam Singha studied abroad.

Study a few more books can negotiate? Either you have it or you don't, brah! You know what is gravitas? It is something they don't have. :rolleyes:
 

JHolmesJr

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If PAP was any good, they would have renewed it before 2001.....

THis, if true, would fall not under lapse or even serious lapse….but total incompetence.
 

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Re: Indon Wants To Break Aviation Treaty! Shan Says No! Can WP Handle Foreign Affairs

Break simi lancheow treaty? The Treaty expired already in 2001. Break what? A non existent treaty?
 

Hans168

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Can Lim Swee Say handle MFA++?
 

winnipegjets

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Re: Indon Wants To Break Aviation Treaty! Shan Says No! Can WP Handle Foreign Affairs

Shanmugan is the wost Foreign Minister this country has ever had!

His ministry was faulted by the Auditor General and what did he do? Nothing.

Relations with our closest neighbours - Indon and Mudland - is ebbing, thank to neglect. Instead of nurturing the relations, Shanmu spents his time attacking the opposition.

Johor wants to increase property taxes on land owned by sinkapore ...instead of negotiating, Shanmu claims that Johor can't do it. So, sinkapore can suka suka tell other countries what to do?

Now Indons want to take back control of its airspace, Shanmu shouts cannot. You think the Indons will chap?

Shanmu has a success though ...by selling out sinkapore to India. The first free trade agreement in the world that allows India to export unlimited workers to a foreign country!

Shanmu is a TRAITOR!!!!
 

johnny333

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Re: Indon Wants To Break Aviation Treaty! Shan Says No! Can WP Handle Foreign Affairs

you have to wonder why the PAP spends billions of $$$ on defence when they forget to peacefully update the treaties with our neighbours?

Maybe it is more profitable to ignore peace & there's more $ to be made preparing for war?
 

laksaboy

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Shanmugam is a fortunate man. Two portfolios = double the ministerial pay. :biggrin:
 

winnipegjets

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PAP takes our neighbours for granted.

Just because Indons had allowed sinkapore to manage its airspace does not mean it is sinkapore's forever. PAP thinks so. Now, the Indons want it back and Shanmu can only scream and shout. There is NO forum for sinkapore to complain to on this issue and there is NO basis for a complaint.

Shanmu screwed up again!
 

mojito

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Re: Indon Wants To Break Aviation Treaty! Shan Says No! Can WP Handle Foreign Affairs

Shanmugan is the wost Foreign Minister this country has ever had!

His ministry was faulted by the Auditor General and what did he do? Nothing.

Relations with our closest neighbours - Indon and Mudland - is ebbing, thank to neglect. Instead of nurturing the relations, Shanmu spents his time attacking the opposition.

Johor wants to increase property taxes on land owned by sinkapore ...instead of negotiating, Shanmu claims that Johor can't do it. So, sinkapore can suka suka tell other countries what to do?

Now Indons want to take back control of its airspace, Shanmu shouts cannot. You think the Indons will chap?

Shanmu has a success though ...by selling out sinkapore to India. The first free trade agreement in the world that allows India to export unlimited workers to a foreign country!

Shanmu is a TRAITOR!!!!

No. The Prime Minister handles all important diplomatic exchanges. Shan's foreign minister designation is just ceremonial in nature. Easy money. :cool:
 

winnipegjets

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Re: Indon Wants To Break Aviation Treaty! Shan Says No! Can WP Handle Foreign Affairs

No. The Prime Minister handles all important diplomatic exchanges. Shan's foreign minister designation is just ceremonial in nature. Easy money. :cool:

The PM screws up big time as well ...another reason to kick the PAP out. I recall that photo of the Indon President during his visit ...he had the bochap look for LHL.
 

steffychun

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Re: Indon Wants To Break Aviation Treaty! Shan Says No! Can WP Handle Foreign Affairs

Shanmugan is the wost Foreign Minister this country has ever had!

His ministry was faulted by the Auditor General and what did he do? Nothing.

Relations with our closest neighbours - Indon and Mudland - is ebbing, thank to neglect. Instead of nurturing the relations, Shanmu spents his time attacking the opposition.

Johor wants to increase property taxes on land owned by sinkapore ...instead of negotiating, Shanmu claims that Johor can't do it. So, sinkapore can suka suka tell other countries what to do?

Now Indons want to take back control of its airspace, Shanmu shouts cannot. You think the Indons will chap?

Shanmu has a success though ...by selling out sinkapore to India. The first free trade agreement in the world that allows India to export unlimited workers to a foreign country!

Shanmu is a TRAITOR!!!!

Shamu and Shane Todd as well...
 

virus

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old news... FAP spinning bogeyman again.

lets try this, indon gg to send another 2 heros to bomb kallang airport.
 

SgGoneWrong

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Re: Indon Wants To Break Aviation Treaty! Shan Says No! Can WP Handle Foreign Affairs

The PM screws up big time as well ...another reason to kick the PAP out. I recall that photo of the Indon President during his visit ...he had the bochap look for LHL.

You as head of state visited another country and given a pack of cheap nasi lemak which are aplenty in your own country, you happy or not? You feel the other party see you up or not?
 

virus

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probably tot joko is another flash in the pan
 

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They keep talking about the talented ministers - they cannot even have a conversation with their counterparts.
 
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