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Hippos eveolved from cetaceans

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Fren, common sense will tell that many things described in the bible are not possible. If Jonah was swallowed by a fish, how come he wasn't digested by the animal's digestive juices? It looks like it is your view that is biased towards believing in nonsense. Oh yes, God made it so will be your "reason." Fren, wish to remind you that using "God" as a reason isn't a legit argument except to those who believe in god. It is hogwash.

Cheers!

What is your critera to say the Bible events are untrue or cannot have happened? Personal incredulity? Or just a naturalistic bias at work that simply screen out anything having to do with God at work? Who's asking you to believe in magic when it is miracles that we are talking about? You are clearly critical of the Bible's narratives yet again display complete gullibility in accepting anything the evolutionists say. Again, that's bias at work. Of course you are entitled to your biases, but at least you should be upfront to admit them.
 

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So Adam's ancestor was some rock or sand? On Father's Day, he can cook a meal for a piece of rock.

Cheers!

.............. What I believe is that God fashioned Adam from the dust of the ground and breathed life into Adam who then became a living being.
 

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What bias? I don't believe that the universe can be made in six days. And I am biased? I don't believe that Moses split the Red Sea (whether with God's help or not), and that is biased? I don't believe in the virgin birth, and that is biased? I think most people call that common sense. So, to believe in "miracles," one should not be logical?

Humans, as we are, cannot fly, We are denser than air. But we have developed aeronautical science, understand the physics of lift, and now have attained the ability of flight. Eh, come on lah, you are just picking on word usage to find fault.

I am unable to show you mozzie evolution because I am not a specialist in the study of insects, or evolution for that matter, but I can say that when the Earth took its form billions of years ago, at first there were no mozzies, or any other complex animals, and they only started to appear in their simpler forms at first, and later began to develop into more complex organism. So, to you, God made the mozzie. For what?

Cheers!

Tell me honestly, if there is a God, would the following be impossible?

1. Creation in 6 days
2. Global Flood
3. Parting of Red Sea
4. Virgin Birth
5. Resurrection

Humans cannot fly because we are NOT DESIGNED to fly, simple as that. Our genetic code do not have the instructions for that, unlike the birds or insects. The evolution story is bankrupt because it requires you to believe that a piece of rock (any nonliving thing) can somehow (magic?) turn into living thing, and then from simple cell somehow (magic again?) become more complex, and randomness can somehow (even more magic) code for complex genetic information. It's an uphill task for sure, but you have no choice but to believe it must have happened by incremental steps over extremely long periods of time. For you, given enough time, miracles...magic...can happen.

You are unable to show me mozzie evolution because it NEVER happened. The evidence (mozzie in amber) is not in your favour if we even want to entertain the idea that evolution is true. What you fall back on is fertile imagination that connect so many missing links for which there is no fossil evidence. You asked why God made mozzie? Suck blood lah...LOL! Anyway I quote from a SECULAR webpage

Mosquito larvae are aquatic insects, and as such, play an important role in the aquatic food chain. According to Dr. Gilbert Waldbauer in The Handy Bug Answer Book, "mosquito larvae are filter feeders that strain tiny organic particles such as unicellular algae from the water and convert them to the tissues of their own bodies, which are, in turn, eaten by fish." Mosquito larvae are, in essence, nutrient-packed snacks for fish and other aquatic animals.

Their role on the bottom of the food chain doesn't end at the larval stage, of course. As adults, mosquitoes serve as equally nutritious meals for birds, bats, and spiders.

As much as we loathe them, mosquitoes represent a considerable biomass of food for wildlife on the lower rungs of the food chain. Their extinction, were it even achievable, would have an enormous adverse affect on the entire ecosystem.


As much as I hate them bloodsuckers, these mozzies themselves show evidence of design, not evolution. The mozzie is designed to fly and suck blood. It is absurd to think that each part of the mozzie took millions of years to evolve. LOL!
 

Frodo

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So Adam's ancestor was some rock or sand? On Father's Day, he can cook a meal for a piece of rock.

Cheers!

Trolling the Bible again?:rolleyes:

It is absurd to speak of Adam having an ancestor since he was the first human. Hey, I thought atheists are very logical? How come every time I am more logical than you?:biggrin:
 

Frodo

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Fren, common sense will tell that many things described in the bible are not possible. If Jonah was swallowed by a fish, how come he wasn't digested by the animal's digestive juices? It looks like it is your view that is biased towards believing in nonsense. Oh yes, God made it so will be your "reason." Fren, wish to remind you that using "God" as a reason isn't a legit argument except to those who believe in god. It is hogwash.

Cheers!

But common sense also tell that if there is a God, then many things are possible. How come Jonah wasn't digested by stomach juices, you asked. Again common sense should inform you that the fish was sent by God to teach Jonah a lesson about running away from God. Jonah was not meant to die under fishy circumstances. So God sent the fish to swallow Jonah, not to kill Jonah. if God wanted to kill Jonah He could have just left him in the ocean!

You said God is not a legit reason. Now WHY do you say that? Isn't it because for you it is again naturalism at play? You still don't see how our worldviews are informing how we look at the things around us, do you? For you, believing in the Bible is "nonsense" simply because it does not fit with your naturalism. But you would happily accept the nonsense that life made itself from nonliving matter!
 

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Adam 's originated from a piece of dust. Don't use ancestors, it will piss the delusional fuckdo off..

LOL! No it won't piss me off. I relish every opportunity to show how the Bible critics are so FAILED, esp DIVA. LOL!
 

drifteri

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Does delusional nut who thinks highly of his critical reading skill bother to conduct a count of how many times ‘perhaps’ was used by Patrick Marks? The Noah ark bullshit has to be sustain by many afterthought ‘perhaps’ bullshits. This proved it is a bullshit. Patrick has debunked Noah Ark myth! Thank creationist, you shot yourself!
 

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Does delusional nut who thinks highly of his critical reading skill bother to conduct a count of how many times ‘perhaps’ was used by Patrick Marks? The Noah ark bullshit has to be sustain by many afterthought ‘perhaps’ bullshits. This proved it is a bullshit. Patrick has debunked Noah Ark myth! Thank creationist, you shot yourself!

LOL! Your English worsen! The use of "perhaps" is just a refusal to be dogmatic about things where the Bible is silent and we use inferences within good reason.

Only FAILED DIVA will think that perhaps=bullshit. Hmmm.....perhaps DIVA is a very smart atheist? LOL!

Actually not that I think very highly of my critical thinking skills, but yours is really so bad that it just makes me look good in comparison. LOL!
 

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perhaps 2000 kinds? perhaps 16,000 kinds?
A hell lot of difference it can make.

Perhaps, the bible God is Satan! Perhaps Allah is the true God, christians are wrong!

Perhaps, this is the likely case because the world is ruled by Satan and the bible originated from Satan's world.:wink:
 
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Frodo

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perhaps 2000 kinds? perhaps 16,000 kinds?
A hell lot of difference it can it.

Perhaps, the bible God is Satan! Perhaps Allah is the true God, christians are wrong!

Perhaps, this is the likely case because the world is ruled by Satan and the bible originated from Satan's world.:wink:

LOL! Failed DIVA nothing to fault already perhaps decided to fault perhaps! :rolleyes: Desperate times for DIVA call for desperate measures! LOL!
 

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Another very good attempt by frodo to wriggle and turn like a snake. I am singing along with Patrick's tune. Noah ark is bullshit!
 
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You are making an irrelevant point. How the Bible is being used, whether people abuse it, or how they use it in the courts, is irrelevant to the truthfulness of the Biblical record. You can say some people use the Bible to oppress others, but I can show you more people who don't do that. So does this negate your point then? You should not bring up irrelevant issues to derail the main issue. The question boils down to, "Does God exist, and is the Bible the Word of God?"

If the bible is really inspired by an Intelligent, omnipotent Designer, he would make sure it can never be abusable. What happened in history indicated the bible is inspired by MEN.
 

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LOL! Failed DIVA nothing to fault already perhaps decided to fault perhaps! :rolleyes: Desperate times for DIVA call for desperate measures! LOL!

Look like you are pleading me not to pursue you any further on perhaps. Can I change focus?

Tell us your answer to an important Question, "Is DUST a living material or non-living material?"
-Rule 1, Be honest & direct.
-Rule 2, The spotlight is shining right on your face, don't wriggle on the floor, be a upright christian for a moment.
-Rule 3, You can ignore but don't beat around the bush.


So Adam's ancestor was some rock or sand? On Father's Day, he can cook a meal for a piece of rock.

Cheers!
 

Frodo

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If the bible is really inspired by an Intelligent, omnipotent Designer, he would make sure it can never be abusable. What happened in history indicated the bible is inspired by MEN.

LOL! Failed DIVA is harping on an irrelevant point again. The question is whether there is a God and is the Bible inspired. The fact that the Bible has been misused and abused by the likes of people like DIVA in no way calls into question the existence of God or the inspiration of Scripture. LOL!
 

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Look like you are pleading me not to pursue you any further on perhaps. Can I change focus?

Tell us your answer to an important Question, "Is DUST a living material or non-living material?"
-Rule 1, Be honest & direct.
-Rule 2, The spotlight is shining right on your face, don't wriggle on the floor, be a upright christian for a moment.
-Rule 3, You can ignore but don't beat around the bush.

LOL! DIVA thinks he is lim-kopi officer interrogating me, LOL!

OK...the light is blinding me now...LOL!

With much fear and trembling, I have no choice and no way out except to confess and admit that dust is nonliving material...unless we are talking about dustmites? LOL!
 

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Of the five, only global flood is possible. There may have been more than one. But Noah's Ark in it was described in the bible could not have been possible. The other four are merely stories.

Humans are not anatomically designed to fly, but we have in the last century understood the physics of lift and designed machines to do that.

Here is what I have found on evolution of mozzies, cut and paste from Wiki:

Evolution[edit]
The oldest known mosquito with an anatomy similar to modern species was found in 79-million-year-old Canadian amber from the Cretaceous.[97] An older sister species with more primitive features was found in Burmese amber that is 90 to 100 million years old.[98] Two mosquito fossils have been found that show very little morphological change in modern mosquitoes against their counterpart from 46 million years ago.[99]
Genetic analyses indicate the Culicinae and Anophelinae clades may have diverged about 150 million years ago.[100] The Old and New World Anopheles species are believed to have subsequently diverged about 95 million years ago.[100]
The mosquito Anopheles gambiae is currently undergoing speciation into the M(opti) and S(avanah) molecular forms. Consequently, some pesticides that work on the M form no longer work on the S form.[101]
§Taxonomy of the Culicidae[edit]
Over 3,500 species of the Culicidae have already been described.[102] They are generally divided into two subfamilies which in turn comprise some 43 genera. These figures are subject to continual change, as more species are discovered, and as DNA studies compel rearrangement of the taxonomy of the family. The two main subfamilies are the Anophelinae and Culicinae, with their genera as shown in the subsection below.[103] The distinction is of great practical importance because the two subfamilies tend to differ in their significance as vectors of different classes of diseases. Roughly speaking, arboviral diseases such as yellow fever and dengue fever tend to be transmitted by Culicine species, not necessarily in the genus Culex. Some transmit various species of avian malaria, but it is not clear that they ever transmit any form of human malaria. Some species do however transmit various forms of filariasis, much as many Simuliidae do.
Anopheline mosquitoes, again not necessarily in the genus Anopheles, sometimes bear pathogenic arboviruses, but it is not yet clear that they ever transmit them as effective vectors. However, all the most important vectors of human malaria are Anopheline.

It is to be noted too that most mosquitoes are not blood suckers, so those who do, evolved the ability to scent and ingest animal blood for protein needed to produce eggs. Hence only female mosquitoes suck blood. From the article, it also mentioned that some species being studied today are still undergoing evolutionary changes. And the fact that there are many species and sub-species of mosquitoes is further evidence that mosquitoes have diverged into different forms, or mutations if you prefer. A sign that evolution took place.

You should drop in the Science Centre in Jurong. It has exhibits, illustrations, and videos that support evolution in our past. Also, last night watching Discovery Channel, I was watching a program that shows evidence of meteors from outer space containing protein molecules, suggesting that the basic building blocks of life can be found in space, meaning life could possible be found in places other than our planet.

There is much for us to discover and learn still. We've only just begun.

Cheers!


Tell me honestly, if there is a God, would the following be impossible?

1. Creation in 6 days
2. Global Flood
3. Parting of Red Sea
4. Virgin Birth
5. Resurrection

Humans cannot fly because we are NOT DESIGNED to fly, simple as that. Our genetic code do not have the instructions for that, unlike the birds or insects. The evolution story is bankrupt because it requires you to believe that a piece of rock (any nonliving thing) can somehow (magic?) turn into living thing, and then from simple cell somehow (magic again?) become more complex, and randomness can somehow (even more magic) code for complex genetic information. It's an uphill task for sure, but you have no choice but to believe it must have happened by incremental steps over extremely long periods of time. For you, given enough time, miracles...magic...can happen.

You are unable to show me mozzie evolution because it NEVER happened. The evidence (mozzie in amber) is not in your favour if we even want to entertain the idea that evolution is true. What you fall back on is fertile imagination that connect so many missing links for which there is no fossil evidence. You asked why God made mozzie? Suck blood lah...LOL! Anyway I quote from a SECULAR webpage

Mosquito larvae are aquatic insects, and as such, play an important role in the aquatic food chain. According to Dr. Gilbert Waldbauer in The Handy Bug Answer Book, "mosquito larvae are filter feeders that strain tiny organic particles such as unicellular algae from the water and convert them to the tissues of their own bodies, which are, in turn, eaten by fish." Mosquito larvae are, in essence, nutrient-packed snacks for fish and other aquatic animals.

Their role on the bottom of the food chain doesn't end at the larval stage, of course. As adults, mosquitoes serve as equally nutritious meals for birds, bats, and spiders.

As much as we loathe them, mosquitoes represent a considerable biomass of food for wildlife on the lower rungs of the food chain. Their extinction, were it even achievable, would have an enormous adverse affect on the entire ecosystem.


As much as I hate them bloodsuckers, these mozzies themselves show evidence of design, not evolution. The mozzie is designed to fly and suck blood. It is absurd to think that each part of the mozzie took millions of years to evolve. LOL!
 

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You call it trolling, I call it a sense of humour. I think it will be funny if Adam places a piece of rock, or a plate of dust in his living room, and when guests visit him, he shows this rock/dust to them and says, "Meet my papa."

Cheers!

Trolling the Bible again?:rolleyes:

It is absurd to speak of Adam having an ancestor since he was the first human. Hey, I thought atheists are very logical? How come every time I am more logical than you?:biggrin:
 

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God is a legit reason? Imagine today, one stands in court, and answers a question by "God said to me....." How legit will such a response be? How seriously will that person be taken? The way I see it, the judge will throw the case out! Today, we use other senses other than "God" to state our case. Belief in God is for one's personal solace and peace, not for justification of actions or thoughts in society.

Cheers!
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But common sense also tell that if there is a God, then many things are possible. How come Jonah wasn't digested by stomach juices, you asked. Again common sense should inform you that the fish was sent by God to teach Jonah a lesson about running away from God. Jonah was not meant to die under fishy circumstances. So God sent the fish to swallow Jonah, not to kill Jonah. if God wanted to kill Jonah He could have just left him in the ocean!

You said God is not a legit reason. Now WHY do you say that? Isn't it because for you it is again naturalism at play? You still don't see how our worldviews are informing how we look at the things around us, do you? For you, believing in the Bible is "nonsense" simply because it does not fit with your naturalism. But you would happily accept the nonsense that life made itself from nonliving matter!
 

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God is a legit reason? Imagine today, one stands in court, and answers a question by "God said to me....." How legit will such a response be? How seriously will that person be taken? The way I see it, the judge will throw the case out! Today, we use other senses other than "God" to state our case. Belief in God is for one's personal solace and peace, not for justification of actions or thoughts in society.

Cheers!
i

Today in court people still swear by the Bible, no? Legit mah?

http://www.lawsociety.org.sg/forPublic/YoutheLaw/GivingEvidence.aspx

"When you enter the witness box, a court official will ask you to 'tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth'. (If you are a Christian, you will be asked to swear on the Bible)."

Now, if telling the truth requires you to say "God said to me..." then can the judge (assume he is atheist :wink:) simply throw the case out because he does not believe in God? If you are the judge and you dismiss the court simply because of this, then you are a FAIL judge.
 
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