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Hard Truth's about Singapore's Defence

steffychun

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http://www.iiss.org/whats-new/iiss-voices/?blogpost=72

Because the city-state has deterred potential aggressors for so long, Singaporeans have to an extent been lulled into complacency, such that they now talk about ‘softer’ issues, be it whether permanent residents do national service, and even a trimming of the defence budget.

But the Asia-Pacific remains a dangerous place, with many potential flashpoints, such as the standoff between China and Japan over the Diaoyu/Senkaku islands, North Korea’s nuclear programme and the South China Sea territorial spats.

Closer to home, Singapore’s relations with Malaysia and Indonesia have improved markedly in recent years. But this cannot be taken for granted. Dr Tim Huxley, author of Defending the Lion City, puts it nicely. Relations with these two countries, he notes, have often been ‘characterised by rivalry and tension’.

History bears this out. In 1991, Malaysia and Indonesia conducted a joint military exercise. Code-named Malindo Darsasa 3AB, it involved an airborne assault by paratroopers in the south of the Malaysian state of Johor. This raised concerns among Singaporeans, with some reading the scheduling of the airdrop on 9 August, Singapore’s 26th National Day, as being unnecessarily provocative.

In 1998, the Malaysian Armed Forces were put on alert, Mr David Boey, formerly this newspaper’s defence correspondent, wrote. Then, politicians on both sides of the Causeway argued over the status of the Customs, Immigration and Quarantine (CIQ) checkpoint at Malaysia’s railway station in Tanjong Pagar.


Well which side do you want? SDP's no military policy or PAP's pro-military high budget policy?
 

Naughty

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Defense is like your anti-virus software!

You want to buy a complete suite from a reputable vendor and constantly upgrade;

or you only need a simple free download for virus protection only!

All depending on your level of tolerance and what is in your computer harddrives.
 

steffychun

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Defense is like your anti-virus software!

You want to buy a complete suite from a reputable vendor and constantly upgrade;

or you only need a simple free download for virus protection only!

All depending on your level of tolerance and what is in your computer harddrives.

Upgrade to what degree? Buying American hardware?
 

Cosmos10

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Aiyo brother steffychun, I think your line "Well which side do you want? SDP's no military policy or PAP's pro-military high budget policy?" is not correct.

You cannot simply quote something wrongly, you know? :smile::smile:

SDP NEVER said NO military policy. It is important when we make comments, to quote facts and opinions correctly, and also to interpret the words in the right context.

The original context of the SDP article is as below:

Title of the article: Is this why we spend so much on the military?

http://yoursdp.org/news/is_this_why_we_spend_so_much_on_the_military/2013-03-07-5574

Please remember LESS military budget is NOT the same as NO military budget. Ok, thanks. :smile:
 
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Naughty

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Defense equipment like computer system obsolete rapidly. Enhancement of existing equipment are make to meet new threats or offer more effective deterrents.

Our government needs to keep an eye on technology as well as manage existing and emerging threats when planning purchase.

We need to be sensitive to our neighbors defense's needs too!

Also, we must avoid sparking an arm race between neighbors to acquire beyond our means.

Important thing is not to over purchased or under invest.
 

steffychun

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Aiyo brother steffychun, I think your line "Well which side do you want? SDP's no military policy or PAP's pro-military high budget policy?" is not correct.

You cannot simply quote something wrongly, you know? :smile::smile:

SDP NEVER said NO military policy. It is important when we make comments, to quote facts and opinions correctly, and also to interpret the words in the right context.

The original context of the SDP article is as below:

Title of the article: Is this why we spend so much on the military?

http://yoursdp.org/news/is_this_why_we_spend_so_much_on_the_military/2013-03-07-5574

Please remember LESS military budget is NOT the same as NO military budget. Ok, thanks. :smile:

SDP wants to go back to a 1960's size military. Read between the lines. They don't favour 21st Century defence
 

Naughty

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SDP wants to go back to a 1960's size military. Read between the lines. They don't favour 21st Century defence

In a way, SDP defense strategy make sense. Most important thing is the threat! If our neighbors can negotiate and all cut back together on defense spending like the US and
Russia on SALT. Then we can save a lot of money for other use. But in real world is a bit difficult!
 

johnny333

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Defense equipment like computer system obsolete rapidly. Enhancement of existing equipment are make to meet new threats or offer more effective deterrents.

Our government needs to keep an eye on technology as well as manage existing and emerging threats when planning purchase.

We need to be sensitive to our neighbors defense's needs too!

Also, we must avoid sparking an arm race between neighbors to acquire beyond our means.

Important thing is not to over purchased or under invest.



How does any "lesser mortal" know that Spore's defence spending is not being abused like what happened in the Brompton Bicylce case:biggrin:

Even if gov't spending is above board, we have seen that "honest mistakes" are being made. Just look at YOG, The PAP MP went over the budget by 300% to 400%. If they can't even do a proper budgeting of millions what makes you think that they can properly budget for billions upon billions :confused: This is not an isolated case. Just look at all the billions lost by Temasek. in Thailand, Australia, China, ....
 

Hawkeye1819

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http://www.iiss.org/whats-new/iiss-voices/?blogpost=72
Well which side do you want? SDP's no military policy or PAP's pro-military high budget policy?


The article pretty much captures it. Slashing the military budget is a populist, but dangerous option. The point is to make better use of resources and not allow the military budget to become a source of crony capitalism for GLCs and ST Engineering in particular. I believe Hollywood even has a movie about extravagant military spending gone wrong and cronyism resulting in defective hardware being taken for the real deal.
 

syed putra

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submarine armed with nuclear missiles is deterrent enough.no need for national service and save two years of every able bodied male time and money.
 

andyfisher

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Any idiot who joins a racist and regressive organisation like the saf is out of his mind and should be sent to imh for check up.

Unless the m&ds from mudland and the indon m&ds get their act together, which is highly unlikely given they are idiots who overdoes on very sweet tea and call everyone abang, I cannot see how they can overwhelm singapore

it is like one man sleep with another man's gf. you think the wronged chap will diam diam?
we are america's slut, we are their outpost in this region, so keep calm and dont worry.

but just in case, dont act blur and says dont know melayu, its not a difficult language to learn, so learn a bit and be nice to our neighbours.
 

laksaboy

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http://www.iiss.org/whats-new/iiss-voices/?blogpost=72

Well which side do you want? SDP's no military policy or PAP's pro-military high budget policy?

That depends how much you care about Singapore's sovereignty. Do I care? I don't.

Truth to be told, I see less of an issue to sing another anthem under another flag as the days go by.

At least with a hypothetical merger with Malaysia, we'll be spared that expensive propaganda horseshit every 9th of August. Oh, and saves money too.
 
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laksaboy

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The article pretty much captures it. Slashing the military budget is a populist, but dangerous option. The point is to make better use of resources and not allow the military budget to become a source of crony capitalism for GLCs and ST Engineering in particular. I believe Hollywood even has a movie about extravagant military spending gone wrong and cronyism resulting in defective hardware being taken for the real deal.

It is one thing to spend a lot on national defense, preferably spend more than your neighbours so as to gain an absolute advantage.

It is another thing to grossly overspend until it eats away a huge chunk of the country's GDP, so you can flaunt your expensive, impractical shiny military toys on some issue of Jane's or Pioneer magazine. That is feeding the military-industrial complex, nothing more.

That is also a case of misplaced priorities. This country is ageing and yet the govt is spending pittance on healthcare. Do you honestly need another frigate or submarine or F-35 fighter jet? Need, not want.
 

steffychun

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That depends how much you care about Singapore's sovereignty. Do I care? I don't.

Truth to be told, I see less of an issue to sing another anthem under another flag as the days go by.

At least with a hypothetical merger with Malaysia, we'll be spared that expensive propaganda horseshit every 9th of August. Oh, and saves money too.

Malaysia also celebrates Merdeka with the armed forces
 

steffychun

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It is one thing to spend a lot on national defense, preferably spend more than your neighbours so as to gain an absolute advantage.

It is another thing to grossly overspend until it eats away a huge chunk of the country's GDP, so you can flaunt your expensive, impractical shiny military toys on some issue of Jane's or Pioneer magazine. That is feeding the military-industrial complex, nothing more.

That is also a case of misplaced priorities. This country is ageing and yet the govt is spending pittance on healthcare. Do you honestly need another frigate or submarine or F-35 fighter jet? Need, not want.

SDP imagines that they can create a benign world where all surrounding countries of Singapore are friends so that there's only a need for a skeleton military.

Dream on Chee.
 
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