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Most of them are Muslims so that makes it acceptable.

At the risk of sounding callous (my thoughts are with the victims and their families), the rampant Islamophobia guiding Aussie foreign policy is largely to blame for this siege crisis. Anyone 'fleeing' an Islamic country must be a victim of 'Islamic repression' and hence automatically granted 'refugee' status and even given immunity from extradition.

Haron Monis was a wanted criminal in Iran, for crying out loud! He fled Iran as a fugitive, not as a victim of political or religious persecution. He is no Tang Liang Hong. Australia gave him refugee status and even refused to extradite him to Iran.

Sorry, but racism begets its own karma. And there isn't a more racist nation than Australia.


16 December 2014 Last updated at 19:08

Sydney gunman was 'wanted in Iran'

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Haron Monis was known in Iran as 'Manteqi' and was wanted on fraud charges


Iran says it requested 14 years ago the extradition of Man Haron Monis - the gunman behind the Sydney siege - but Australia refused to hand him over.

The head of Iran's police, Gen Ismail Ahmadi Moghaddam, told reporters that Monis was wanted for fraud at the time.

He said Monis had fled to Australia via Malaysia in the late 1990s.

Monis and two hostages were shot dead on Tuesday morning, when commandos stormed the Sydney cafe where he had been holding captives for 16 hours.

Gen Moghaddam said Monis was known in Iran as "Manteqi".

"In 1996, he was the manager of a travel agency and committed fraud," the general told reporters. "He then fled to Malaysia and from there, to Australia under a fake name."

He added that "since we did not have an agreement on the extradition of criminals with Australia, the Australian police refused to extradite him".

Australian PM Tony Abbott: "We do have to ask ourselves the question - could it have been prevented?"

Monis applied for political asylum to obtain refugee status in Australia, Gen Moghaddam said, describing the incident as "a play".

Meanwhile the Australian government has announced it is investigating why Monis was released on bail on separate charges.

He had a history of religiously inspired activism, but officials say there is as yet no evidence his actions were linked to international Islamist movements.

In 2009 he was convicted of sending offensive letters to the families of fallen Australian soldiers.

In 2013, he was charged with being an accessory to the murder of his ex-wife, and given bail.

He also faced more than 40 sexual and indecent assault charges.

Monis had "vehemently denied" the assault and accessory to murder charges, his former lawyer told the BBC.
 

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At the risk of sounding callous (my thoughts are with the victims and their families), the rampant Islamophobia guiding Aussie foreign policy is largely to blame for this siege crisis. Anyone 'fleeing' an Islamic country must be a victim of 'Islamic repression' and hence automatically granted 'refugee' status and even given immunity from extradition.

Haron Monis was a wanted criminal in Iran, for crying out loud! He fled Iran as a fugitive, not as a victim of political or religious persecution. He is no Tang Liang Hong. Australia gave him refugee status and even refused to extradite him to Iran.

Sorry, but racism begets its own karma. And there isn't a more racist nation than Australia.


16 December 2014 Last updated at 19:08

Sydney gunman was 'wanted in Iran'

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Haron Monis was known in Iran as 'Manteqi' and was wanted on fraud charges


Iran says it requested 14 years ago the extradition of Man Haron Monis - the gunman behind the Sydney siege - but Australia refused to hand him over.

The head of Iran's police, Gen Ismail Ahmadi Moghaddam, told reporters that Monis was wanted for fraud at the time.

He said Monis had fled to Australia via Malaysia in the late 1990s.

Monis and two hostages were shot dead on Tuesday morning, when commandos stormed the Sydney cafe where he had been holding captives for 16 hours.

Gen Moghaddam said Monis was known in Iran as "Manteqi".

"In 1996, he was the manager of a travel agency and committed fraud," the general told reporters. "He then fled to Malaysia and from there, to Australia under a fake name."

He added that "since we did not have an agreement on the extradition of criminals with Australia, the Australian police refused to extradite him".

Australian PM Tony Abbott: "We do have to ask ourselves the question - could it have been prevented?"

Monis applied for political asylum to obtain refugee status in Australia, Gen Moghaddam said, describing the incident as "a play".

Meanwhile the Australian government has announced it is investigating why Monis was released on bail on separate charges.

He had a history of religiously inspired activism, but officials say there is as yet no evidence his actions were linked to international Islamist movements.

In 2009 he was convicted of sending offensive letters to the families of fallen Australian soldiers.

In 2013, he was charged with being an accessory to the murder of his ex-wife, and given bail.

He also faced more than 40 sexual and indecent assault charges.

Monis had "vehemently denied" the assault and accessory to murder charges, his former lawyer told the BBC.

Original settlers of OZ were all crims themselves so they are sympathetic to their own kind.
 

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Australia asks why Sydney gunman was free, despite violent, extremist past


PUBLISHED : Wednesday, 17 December, 2014, 11:34am
UPDATED : Wednesday, 17 December, 2014, 11:34am

Bloomberg

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This April 18, 2011, photo shows Man Haron Monis outside a Sydney court. He was facing a raft of charges, ranging from sexual assault to being an accessory to the murder of his ex-wife. Photo: AFP

Australian authorities are probing why the gunman responsible for a deadly Sydney hostage-taking was free on bail and not on a watchlist, despite his history of violence and extremist sympathies.

Man Haron Monis, 50, died along with two of his captives when police stormed the Lindt Chocolat Cafe in the early hours of Tuesday, after a 16-hour siege. The self-proclaimed cleric from Iran was awaiting trial on a string of charges including being an accessory to the murder of his ex-wife, and had warned that Australia faced an attack for sending troops to Afghanistan.

“The system did not adequately deal with this individual,” Prime Minister Tony Abbott said in an interview with Australian Broadcasting Corp. radio today. “We want to know why he wasn’t being monitored given his history of violence, his history of instability, his history of infatuation with extremism.”

New South Wales Premier Mike Baird echoed those concerns and said Sydneysiders had “every right to feel upset” Monis had been at large.

Monis arrived in Australia in 1996 claiming to be a refugee. Iran’s Fars news agency said Australia denied an attempt to extradite him back to the Islamic Republic, where he’d been indicted for fraud and went by the name of Mohammad Hassan Manteghi Bourjerdi.

He had worked as the managing director of a tourist agency in Iran and fled the country with about US$200,000 of clients’ money, a former co-worker said in a telephone interview.

“He didn’t act crazy or strange,” Sassan Khalebani said. “He was a good manager, that is until he stole the money.”

Esmail Ahmadi-Moghaddam, Iran’s chief of police, was cited by Fars news as saying Monis was a conman who changed his name and put on clerical robes to get political asylum.

Monis faced charges including being an accessory with his girlfriend to the murder of his ex-wife, who was stabbed and then set alight in Sydney. He had also been charged this year with dozens of sexual offenses dating back a decade, when he had operated as a “spiritual healer”, according to the Sydney Morning Herald.

He was sentenced to 300 hours of community service and placed on a two-year good-behaviour bond for writing offensive letters to the families of Australian soldiers killed in Afghanistan, the Herald reported. Monis failed in his final bid to overturn that indictment on December 12, court documents show.

“We’re all outraged that this guy was on the street,” Baird said on Tuesday. “We need to understand why he was, we also need to understand why he wasn’t picked up, and we’ll be working closely with the federal authorities together with our own agencies to ensure what we can do better.”

State Police Commissioner Andrew Scipione told reporters today his force had applied to have Monis refused bail on the accessory-to-murder charge and that the decision had been taken by the courts.

Authorities are also investigating how Monis acquired the sawnoff shotgun apparently used in the attack, Abbott said.

Monis held 17 hostages in the cafe on Martin Place, a plaza at the heart of Sydney’s financial and legal district, and forced some to hold a black Islamic flag known as a Shahada against the window.

Mother-of-three Katrina Dawson, a 38-year-old barrister, and cafe manager Tori Johnson, 34, were killed. Three others and a police officer received gunshot wounds.

 

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Most of them are Muslims so that makes it acceptable.

The Shoe Bomber was a Muslim
The Beltway Snipers were Muslims
The Fort Hood Shooter was a Muslim
The underwear Bomber was a Muslim
The U-S.S. Cole Bombers were Muslims
The Madrid Train Bombers were Muslims
The Bafi Nightclub Bombers were Muslims
The London Subway Bombers were Muslims
The Moscow Theatre Attackers were Muslims
The Boston Marathon Bombers were Muslims
The Pan-Am flight #93 Bombers were Muslims
The Air France Entebbe Hijackers were Muslims
The Iranian Embassy Takeover, was by Muslims
The Beirut U.S. Embassy bombers were Muslims
The Libyan U.S. Embassy Attack was by Musiims
The Buenos Aires Suicide Bombers were Muslims
The Israeli Olympic Team Attackers were Muslims
The Kenyan U.S, Embassy Bombers were Muslims
The Saudi, Khobar Towers Bombers were Muslims
The Beirut Marine Barracks bombers were Muslims
The Besian Russian School Attackers were Muslims
The first World Trade Center Bombers were Muslims
The Bombay & Mumbai India Attackers were Muslims
The Achille Lauro Cruise Ship Hijackers were Muslims
The September 11th 2001 Airline Hijackers were Muslims
The 26/11 Mumbai Attackers were Muslims and even
The 16/12 Peshawer Attackers were Muslims.
Think of it:

Buddhists living with Hindus = No Problem
Hindus living with Christians = No Problem
Hindus living with Jews = No Problem
Christians living with Shintos = No Problem
Shintos living with Confucians = No Problem
Confusians living with Baha'is = No Problem
Baha'is living with Jews = No Problem
Jews living with Atheists = No Problem
Atheists living with Buddhists = No Problem
Buddhists living with Sikhs = No Problem
Sikhs living with Hindus = No Problem
Hindus living with Baha'is = No Problem
Baha'is living with Christians = No Problem
Christians living with Jews = No Problem
Jews living with Buddhists = No Problem
Buddhists living with Shintos = No Problem
Shintos living with Atheists = No Problem
Atheists living with Confucians = No Problem
Confusians living with Hindus = No Problem
But,
Muslims living with Hindus = Problem
Muslims living with Buddhists = Problem
Muslims living with Christians = Problem
Muslims living with Jews = Problem
Muslims living with Sikhs = Problem
Muslims living with Baha'is = Problem
Muslims living with Shintos = Problem
Muslims living with Atheists = Problem
MUSLIMS LIVING WITH MUSLIMS = BIG PROBLEM
**********SO THIS LEAD TO *****************

They’re not happy in Gaza
They're not happy in Egypt
They're not happy in Libya
They're not happy in Morocco
They're not happy in Iran
They're not happy in Iraq
They're not happy in Yemen
They're not happy in Afghanistan
They're not happy in Pakistan
They're not happy in Syria
They're not happy in Lebanon
They're not happy in Nigeria
They're not happy in Kenya
They're not happy in Sudan
******** So, where are they happy? **********
They're happy in Australia
They're happy in England
They're happy in Belgium
They're happy in France
They're happy in Italy
They're happy in Germany
They're happy in Sweden
They're happy in the USA & Canada
They're happy in Norway & India
They're happy in almost every country that is not Islamic! And who do they blame? Not Islam... Not their leadership... Not themselves... THEY BLAME THE COUNTRIES THEY ARE HAPPY IN!! And they want to change the countries they're happy in, to be like the countries they came from where they were unhappy and finally they will be get hammered!!!!

Islamic Jihad: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
ISIS: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
Al-Qaeda: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
Taliban: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
Hamas: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
Hezbollah: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
Boko Haram: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
Al-Nusra: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
Abu Sayyaf: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
Al-Badr: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
Muslim Brotherhood: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
Lashkar-e-Taiba: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
Palestine Liberation Front: AN ISLAMIC TERRORORGANIZATION
Ansaru: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
Jemaah Islamiyah: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
Abdullah Azzam Brigades: AN ISLAMIC TERRORORGANIZATION AND A LOT MORE!!!!!!!Think of it.

Source: an unknown website
 

HTOLAS

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Actually, the Buddhists killed many Hindus in Sri Lanka, and during WW2, Hitler (nominally Christian) killed many Jews.
 

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82-year-old hostage in Sydney cafe made daring escape to freedom

John O'Brien believes that if he did not act, he and all the others held captive in a Sydney cafe would have ended up dead, so he ran for it

PUBLISHED : Thursday, 18 December, 2014, 9:35pm
UPDATED : Thursday, 18 December, 2014, 9:35pm

Associated Press in Sydney

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John O'Brien (left) and Stefan Belafoutis find safety. Photo: AFP

The siege at the Sydney cafe had been going on for more than five hours and 82-year-old John O'Brien had become convinced the gunman was insane and the hostages would likely all end up dead.

And so he made a decision, one he knew came with a cost: he was going to try to escape.

O'Brien - a former tennis professional who played at Wimbledon - looked at the gunman who was at the other end of the cafe, barricaded behind tables and chairs. The man had forced two or three young women to stand in front of him as human shields, so police snipers couldn't take shots at him.

O'Brien glanced up at Stefan Balafoutis, a lawyer, who was standing, as ordered, with his hands against the window. The younger man had his eyes closed.

"I said to the barrister, look, this is not going to end well, this guy will never get out of here alive, and he's going to take everyone with him," O'Brien said in the first detailed account coming from a hostage who was held inside the cafe.

He whispered his escape plan to Balafoutis. The lawyer replied: "Good idea."

O'Brien was exhausted and was wondering at times if he was in a dream. He had not eaten since early in the morning, before their ordeal began, when he had ordered a piece of raisin toast and a cappuccino.

O'Brien was eating his toast when 50-year-old Man Haron Monis strode in, wearing a bandanna with Arabic writing. He pulled out a shotgun. O'Brien looked at it, thinking it was the size of a tennis racket. He knew right away the situation was dire.

The gunman grabbed Tori Johnson, the 34-year-old cafe manager, ordering him to lock the door. O'Brien said Monis was aggressive and belligerent.

There were 17 people in the cafe that Monday who became the gunman's hostages. Several were cafe staff in their early 20s. The customers included three lawyers and four bank workers who had popped in from nearby offices. O'Brien was the oldest while Jarrod Hoffman, a 19-year-old university student and a cafe staffer, was the youngest.

Monis ordered the customers to stand with their hands on the cafe window and to hold up a black Shahada flag with the Islamic declaration of faith written on it. O'Brien said he stood with his hands on the window for 30 minutes, or maybe 45 - it was hard to tell - before telling the gunman how old he was and saying he needed to sit down.

It was his first challenge to the gunman's authority and a bit of a ruse, he said. He felt stronger than he was letting on. He's remarkably fit for his age. He still plays competitive tennis, and is among the best in Australia in his age group. As a young man, in 1956, he made it to the fourth round of Wimbledon.

Monis complained but relented, allowing O'Brien and a few others to sit.

The hours ticked by as the gunman tried to use the hostages to relay his odd demands on social media: to be delivered a flag of the Islamic State group and to speak directly to Australian Prime Minister Tony Abbott.

O'Brien would sometimes rest his head on the table. He thought about his wife, Maureen, whose brother had died two weeks earlier. He thought about his two daughters. And he thought about the gunman, who he became convinced was mad.

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John O'Brien

O'Brien quietly slipped out of his seat and sat on the floor. He'd noticed that near the cafe's front doors, there was a gap between the wall and a large advertising placard, which was perhaps three metres wide and 1.5 metres high. He figured the gap was less than a 30cm wide but knew he had to squeeze behind the sign - and reach the button controlling the doors - if his plan was to work.

After several tries, out of Monis sight, he got behind the sign. Now the placard was obscuring him from the gunman. He lay down, and looked at the large green button on the wall. He wasn't sure it would open the glass doors. If it didn't, he figured, he would be seen by the gunman and killed.

Also weighing on his mind was the thought of leaving the others behind. He didn't want to and he had no way of knowing how the gunman might react.

"I was terribly worried for them," he said.

But there was no turning back. He reached up and pushed the green button. A moment later, at 3.37 pm, the electronically-controlled doors opened and he was free.

The images of O'Brien running toward the police in his blue blazer, glancing back with Balafoutis close behind, were played around the world. Over the following hours, several more hostages escaped. The siege ended just after 2am in a barrage of gunfire when police rushed in to free the remaining captives. Two hostages, including Johnson, the cafe manager, were killed. So was the gunman.

Johnson would be hailed a hero, after reports he brought the standoff to an end by wrestling Monis for the shotgun, saving the lives of most of his fellow hostages in the process.

O'Brien certainly considers Johnson a hero. He says he can't sleep and he can't stop thinking about Johnson and the other victim, Katrina Dawson, a 38-year-old mother of three.

"They weren't doing anything wrong," he said.

 

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Sydney's Lindt Cafe hostages plotted to stab gunman Man Horan Monis

Cafe staff reveal that they had armed themselves with box cutters during 16-hour ordeal of terror

PUBLISHED : Monday, 09 February, 2015, 12:36am
UPDATED : Monday, 09 February, 2015, 7:59am

Associated Press in Canberra

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Cafe employees Jarrod Hoffman and Joel Herat said they considered stabbing the gunman. Photos: SCMP

Two staff members of a Sydney cafe have revealed how they plotted to stab a gunman who held them hostage during a 16-hour siege in December.

Joel Herat, 21, and Jarrod Hoffman, 19, said in paid interviews broadcast on Sunday by Nine Network television that they had armed themselves with box cutters after gunman Man Horan Monis took them and 16 other people hostage in the Lindt Cafe.

"I've got this knife in my pocket and I know Joel has a knife in his pocket and we are so close, we can do this," Hoffman said.

Hoffman said that if someone had jumped Monis and pinned his arms, "I would stab him in the jugular" artery in his neck.

"But he had his gun. He had it on his knee and I could see that it was pointed directly at [pregnant hostage] Julie Taylor," he said.

Herat said he contemplated stabbing Monis as Herat was forced to stand holding an Islamic flag against a cafe window.

"He was right below me sitting on the lounge and [I thought] do I stab him? What if I miss? What are the consequences of that, you know, who's he going to shoot?" Herat said.

Cafe manager Tori Johnson, 34, died when Monis shot him in the head after a second group of hostages escaped, a coroner's court was told last month.

Police then stormed the cafe, fatally shooting Monis and accidentally killing lawyer Katrina Dawson, 38, with bullet fragments that had ricocheted.

Hoffman said Monis warned the hostages that if they escaped, they would be responsible for the deaths of other hostages he would kill in retaliation.

Monis, a 50-year-old Iranian-born, self-styled cleric with a long criminal history, took the customers and workers captive and forced them to outline his demands in a series of online videos. One demanded that he be permitted to speak to Australia's prime minister and be delivered a flag of the Islamic State group.

The coroner's inquest is looking into how police managed the crisis, including whether snipers should have taken a shot at Monis through the cafe's windows.

Prime Minister Tony Abbott last week received a report on a government review of the siege and the events leading up to it. The review, expected to be released in a month, examined why Monis was free on bail despite facing a string of violent charges.


 
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