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GRC System Is Fail-Proof And Robust

clinton666

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The kind of political upheaval and chaos that happened in Malaysia will never happen in Singapore. The GRC system has proof to be robust.

Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong, who joined the debate in Parliament on the motion, stressed that there are no practical problems with a vacant seat in Jurong GRC and that the party, which the people had voted for, will still take care of residents - a benefit of the GRC system.
Parliament rejects motion to fine-tune electoral systemBy Imelda Saad, Channel NewsAsia | Posted: 27 August 2008 1958 hrs

SINGAPORE: Parliament has rejected a motion tabled by Nominated MPs Thio Li-Ann and Loo Choon Yoong for amendments to the Parliamentary Elections Act to allow by-elections to be called in a Group Representation Constituency (GRC) when a member vacates his or her seat for any reason.

MPs, who voted with a division in the House, rejected the motion 62 over five.

Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong, who joined the debate in Parliament on the motion, stressed that there are no practical problems with a vacant seat in Jurong GRC and that the party, which the people had voted for, will still take care of residents - a benefit of the GRC system.

He added that there have been occasions when a by-election has been called at the discretion of the Prime Minister, and if for any reason he decides to call for one during the current term of Parliament, he will certainly consider Jurong.

Reminding MPs that the issue has been discussed many times before in the House, PM Lee said Singapore must never blindly follow others but should adapt its political system to suit its own circumstances.

Saying there is no need to change the electoral system to make clear when a by-election should be called, Mr Lee said what is important are the political realities of what works for Singapore.

Going back in history, Mr Lee said Singapore amended the Constitution after its separation from Malaysia.

This was after hair-raising experiences with MPs switching sides and destabilising the government in pre-independence years.

The constitutional changes have led to a stable government with less risk of MPs being bought or intimidated into switching sides.

Mr Lee explained that unlike other democracies like Britain in which MPs form the government, Singapore's system emphasises on choosing political parties.

So when an MP is elected, it means voters are also giving the mandate to the party represented by the MP to form the government.

So, if a seat falls vacant mid-term - like in the case of Jurong GRC - the prime minister has the full discretion to decide when to call a by-election.

Mr Lee said: "The vacancy does not affect the mandate of the government, nor its ability to deliver on its programmes and promises. The government's mandate continues to run until the next general election is called, when the incumbent team will render account to the electorate.

"Even if in extremis, the governing party ends up without a majority in Parliament, it still carries on to govern, so long as it retains the confidence of the House."

It is the same with GRCs and even if a minority member resigns. The government will continue, unless the vacancy results in it losing the confidence of the House.

- CNA/sf/ir
 

Sideswipe

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LHL and PAP are playing around with the electoral constitution to suit their purposes instead of enacting a fair electoral system for future generations to follow.

If in the future, PAP lost their governing power, they will reap what they sow in future elections from the new ruling party. That's because they fail to give and enact a democratic electoral system during decades in power.
 

Grimloq69

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LHL and PAP are playing around with the electoral constitution to suit their purposes instead of enacting a fair electoral system for future generations to follow.

If in the future, PAP lost their governing power, they will reap what they sow in future elections from the new ruling party. That's because they fail to give and enact a democratic electoral system during decades in power.

LKY will rise from his grave as a zombie and destroy the usurpers!
 

clinton666

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LHL and PAP are playing around with the electoral constitution to suit their purposes instead of enacting a fair electoral system for future generations to follow.

If in the future, PAP lost their governing power, they will reap what they sow in future elections from the new ruling party. That's because they fail to give and enact a democratic electoral system during decades in power.

Are you mentally challenged?? The GRC system not only guarantees a fair representation of minorities but is also robust and will not fall apart should one of the member should pass away.
 

splintuh

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Reminding MPs that the issue has been discussed many times before in the House, PM Lee said Singapore must never blindly follow others but should adapt its political system to suit its own circumstances.

"to suit its own circumstances" --> To suit the Party's needs

Saying there is no need to change the electoral system to make clear when a by-election should be called, Mr Lee said what is important are the political realities of what works for Singapore.

"what works for Singapore" --> what works for the Party

So, if a seat falls vacant mid-term - like in the case of Jurong GRC - the prime minister has the full discretion to decide when to call a by-election.

They created the GRC system, and treat it like their plaything... making up rules to suit them as they go along. If this happened to an opposition-held GRC, they'd move things so fast that we'd be having by-elections even before the cremation.
 

The_Latest_H

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A bunch of political excuses. I know a lie when I see and hear one- and all those are nothing but excuses, falsehoods and lies.
 

clinton666

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A bunch of political excuses. I know a lie when I see and hear one- and all those are nothing but excuses, falsehoods and lies.

Your post has zero substance.

You seem to be saying something and NOTHING.

Are you mentally challenged since childhood?
 

Himerus

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no,it is another way of the pay and pay to ensure that they stay in power.
the opposition just do not have the people and talent to contest it.
it will take too much out of them,if they put all their best into contesting an GRC.
 

SIFU

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it is disgusting to see the PAP wayang.. Some NMP will kay kay bring up this...

then other PAP MP will kay kay debate it..

finally LHL will shoot it down..

as boring as Mediacorp dramas:mad:
 

clinton666

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<<the opposition just do not have the people and talent to contest it.>>

You got that spot on. The Opposition is nothing but a hodge-podge of low class riff raffs.
 

xdecepticon

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Fm day 1 I had maintained all these "challenging" here and tere in parliament are nothing but wayang wayang. Juz like watching WWE......script writing all the way. :rolleyes:
 

tarzan100

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The way the GRC system is conceived, it is to ensure that the PAP remains the party in power. There is no level playing field.

It is "wayang" and simplistic to take the happenings in Malaysia and extrapolate to say that it could also happen in Singapore. Malaysia has the affirmative action plan which favours one group against the others and too much corruption at high places and croynism.What has that got to do with the robustness of the GRC systrem?


The kind of political upheaval and chaos that happened in Malaysia will never happen in Singapore. The GRC system has proof to be robust.

Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong, who joined the debate in Parliament on the motion, stressed that there are no practical problems with a vacant seat in Jurong GRC and that the party, which the people had voted for, will still take care of residents - a benefit of the GRC system.
Parliament rejects motion to fine-tune electoral systemBy Imelda Saad, Channel NewsAsia | Posted: 27 August 2008 1958 hrs

SINGAPORE: Parliament has rejected a motion tabled by Nominated MPs Thio Li-Ann and Loo Choon Yoong for amendments to the Parliamentary Elections Act to allow by-elections to be called in a Group Representation Constituency (GRC) when a member vacates his or her seat for any reason.

MPs, who voted with a division in the House, rejected the motion 62 over five.

Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong, who joined the debate in Parliament on the motion, stressed that there are no practical problems with a vacant seat in Jurong GRC and that the party, which the people had voted for, will still take care of residents - a benefit of the GRC system.

He added that there have been occasions when a by-election has been called at the discretion of the Prime Minister, and if for any reason he decides to call for one during the current term of Parliament, he will certainly consider Jurong.

Reminding MPs that the issue has been discussed many times before in the House, PM Lee said Singapore must never blindly follow others but should adapt its political system to suit its own circumstances.

Saying there is no need to change the electoral system to make clear when a by-election should be called, Mr Lee said what is important are the political realities of what works for Singapore.

Going back in history, Mr Lee said Singapore amended the Constitution after its separation from Malaysia.

This was after hair-raising experiences with MPs switching sides and destabilising the government in pre-independence years.

The constitutional changes have led to a stable government with less risk of MPs being bought or intimidated into switching sides.

Mr Lee explained that unlike other democracies like Britain in which MPs form the government, Singapore's system emphasises on choosing political parties.

So when an MP is elected, it means voters are also giving the mandate to the party represented by the MP to form the government.

So, if a seat falls vacant mid-term - like in the case of Jurong GRC - the prime minister has the full discretion to decide when to call a by-election.

Mr Lee said: "The vacancy does not affect the mandate of the government, nor its ability to deliver on its programmes and promises. The government's mandate continues to run until the next general election is called, when the incumbent team will render account to the electorate.

"Even if in extremis, the governing party ends up without a majority in Parliament, it still carries on to govern, so long as it retains the confidence of the House."

It is the same with GRCs and even if a minority member resigns. The government will continue, unless the vacancy results in it losing the confidence of the House.

- CNA/sf/ir
 
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