Go Go Go China Go - 2nd larger aircraft carrier to be build

[angbin]

China's second aircraft carrier will be 'larger'
Xinhua, April 24, 2013

A senior officer with the People's Liberation Army (PLA) Navy said on Tuesday that "China will have more than one aircraft carrier."

Song Xue, deputy chief of staff of the PLA Navy, told foreign military attaches at a ceremony to celebrate the Navy's 64th founding anniversary in Beijing, "The next aircraft carrier we need will be larger and carry more fighters."

However, Song said some foreign media reports on China's building new aircraft carriers in Shanghai were not accurate.

Currently, China operates one aircraft carrier, the Liaoning, which was refitted based on a Russian-made unfinished carrier and delivered to the Navy on Sept. 25, 2012. The PLA Navy was founded on April 23, 1949.

Song, a Real Admiral of the Navy, said the Liaoning does not belong to any of the Navy's three fleets, but under direct command and management of the Navy's headquarters.

Zhang Zheng, the Liaoning's Captain, told foreign military attaches that his crew members have mastered independently operations of all the weapon systems on the carrier.

The Liaoning has a full displacement of more than 50,000 tonnes. The carrier's original design allows it to carry about 30 fixed-wing aircraft.Song Xue said the Navy hoped that the next carrier could be larger to load more aircraft.

He also revealed that the Navy is building naval aviation force for the Liaoning, and there will be at least two aviation regiments on one carrier, including fighters, reconnaissance aircraft, anti-submarine aircraft, electronic countermeasure (ECM) planes and rotary-wing aircraft.

The Liaoning has conducted successful take-off and landing tests of its carrier-borne J-15 fighters, the main striking force of China's carrier group.

Song said the J-15 still needs a lot more trial tests before being operational on the carrier, and there will be more J-15 fighters as the Navy conducts more test flights.

The officer said China's future carrier group will be composed of carrier, destroyers, frigates, submarines and supply ship.

According to Song, more than one thousand Chinese enterprises have participated in the construction and refitting work of the Liaoning.

The officer also promised that the Navy will invite foreign military attaches to visit the Liaoning.

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[The_Hypocrite]

That is very good, I hope China builds more aircraft carriers. That will force the USA to rethink its strategy with regards to its own carriers. Carriers are now becoming obsolete and can be replaced with drone carriers etc with greater effectiveness and reduced cost. Hopefully this arms race will cost the Chinese more than the USA and in the end weaken China so that its people cant be that yaya like the fucking Ah tiongs in singkieland and elsewhere.

 

[pallkia]

That is very good, I hope China builds more aircraft carriers. That will force the USA to rethink its strategy with regards to its own carriers. Carriers are now becoming obsolete and can be replaced with drone carriers etc with greater effectiveness and reduced cost. Hopefully this arms race will cost the Chinese more than the USA and in the end weaken China so that its people cant be that yaya like the fucking Ah tiongs in singkieland and elsewhere.

I think u r not knowing the fact very much that the Chinese all over the world r very good in term of costs and mathematics.Look at the small cost and time the Chinese took to master the first aircraft carrier and the high speed trains projects and many more.......

 

[The_Hypocrite]

Look at the disasters with their high speed trains and many more...

I think u r not knowing the fact very much that the Chinese all over the world r very good in term of costs and mathematics.Look at the small cost and time the Chinese took to master the first aircraft carrier and the high speed trains projects and many more.......

 

[pallkia]

Look at the disasters with their high speed trains and many more...

You are not incorrect,but I have tried many times the German and Chinese high speed trains but I just can't find any significant difference.But I know they built a a fraction of the cost and time........Whether you like it or not,it is the fact...Dont be frustrated when more and more Chinese big projects are rolling out in the news!

 

[syed putra]

You are not incorrect,but I have tried many times the German and Chinese high speed trains but I just can't find any significant difference.But I know they built a a fraction of the cost and time........Whether you like it or not,it is the fact...Dont be frustrated when more and more Chinese big projects are rolling out in the news!

Initially, siemen provided technology to chinese railway. But they copied and improved the original. That is why it did not cost the chinese so much and save time on the development.

 

[Reddog]

That is very good, I hope China builds more aircraft carriers. That will force the USA to rethink its strategy with regards to its own carriers. Carriers are now becoming obsolete and can be replaced with drone carriers etc with greater effectiveness and reduced cost. Hopefully this arms race will cost the Chinese more than the USA and in the end weaken China so that its people cant be that yaya like the fucking Ah tiongs in singkieland and elsewhere.

China should take time to first overtake the great satan to be the world's greatest economic power. Thereafter, to be the world's absolute military power. Chinese, like those Chinese in Sinkapore, will be master in their own country. China will never again be the "sickman of the East". Never again. China has not and will not invade nor dictate to other countries unlike those double standard so called free countries of the west.

 

[yellowarse]

Look at the disasters with their high speed trains and many more...

China in just six years (since 2007) has established the world's longest network of high speed rail of 13,000 km as of Dec 2012. The target is 18,000 km by 2018.

No other country, not even Japan (3,000 km) or Germany (1,400 km), comes close. This level of infrastructural and technological investment is remarkable for any country, much less a developing country with a huge section of the population still living below poverty line.

So it is understandable that teething problems are bound to arise from such scale and rapidity of development, and on an absolute basis incidence of crashes and malfunctions is bound to exceed that of other nations with smaller and more established networks.

As for aircraft carriers, the Chinese are still on the steep part of the learning curve, and just beginning to master the complexities of operating a carrier group. They're far behind the States, and even the Russians, and it will be a long time before they reach parity. In the meantime, expect lots of hiccups and back-to-the-drawing-board hiatuses.

Cost of building the carriers is the least of the problems; mastering the technology is the big hurdle. The worldwide embargo on sales of sensitive high-tech equipment to China led by the US is also hampering Chinese efforts.

 

[The_Hypocrite]

The reason y the chinese can do it cheaper n faster is cheap labour, cutting corners n copy cat others design. N i do hope more big projects come up as oz will benefit from mineral exports n china continue growing. China grows usa etc will benefit if they play their cards right.

You are not incorrect,but I have tried many times the German and Chinese high speed trains but I just can't find any significant difference.But I know they built a a fraction of the cost and time........Whether you like it or not,it is the fact...Dont be frustrated when more and more Chinese big projects are rolling out in the news!

 

[Froggy]

Where is Jah surely he will come in such threads no?

 

[Agoraphobic]

I will only respect their engineering prowess when they build a motorcycle that is able to compete with the best in the world and win a top placed position at the Isle of Man TT; like Honda. Trains only roll on tracks, yawn machines.

Cheers!

You are not incorrect,but I have tried many times the German and Chinese high speed trains but I just can't find any significant difference.But I know they built a a fraction of the cost and time........Whether you like it or not,it is the fact...Dont be frustrated when more and more Chinese big projects are rolling out in the news!

 

[enterprise2]

I am not worried about their carrier(s). More worried about their missiles though!

 

[sleaguepunter]

I will only respect their engineering prowess when they build a motorcycle that is able to compete with the best in the world and win a top placed position at the Isle of Man TT; like Honda. Trains only roll on tracks, yawn machines.

Cheers!

U motor siao huh?

not many motor siao in spore ever heard of Isle of Man, much less find it on the maps.

 

[sleaguepunter]

even with the necessary hardware, PRC navy need at least 5 years to train it carrier battle group to reach proficiency level. having a carrier is no big deal when the technologies of the escorting vessels and ASW screen not up to standard. the worse part the its own defense industries have not develop the range of aircrafts needed for naval aviation, ie AEW aircraft, recon birds, interceptors etc etc that can operate on a carrier. it wont be easy, imho, i personally think PRC navy need at least 20years just to be able to overwhelm the japs navy.

 

[kongsimi]

2 where got enough?

should build 10 mah!

got so many labour and resources.

 

[3_M]

even with the necessary hardware, PRC navy need at least 5 years to train it carrier battle group to reach proficiency level. having a carrier is no big deal when the technologies of the escorting vessels and ASW screen not up to standard. the worse part the its own defense industries have not develop the range of aircrafts needed for naval aviation, ie AEW aircraft, recon birds, interceptors etc etc that can operate on a carrier. it wont be easy, imho, i personally think PRC navy need at least 20years just to be able to overwhelm the japs navy.

To be able to maintain the operational readiness of 1 aircraft carrier at anytime, PLA need at least 4. 1 for training, 1 for resupply, 1 for maintenance, and 1 for operation.

The challenge for china navy is not about AWAC and other supporting aircraft. They are currently doing testing and had develop prototypes. The biggest difficulty is to acquire CATOBAR capability. Without CATOBAR none of the aircraft will be able to take-off using jet ski ramp as they have lower power to weight ratio unlike J15.

 

[pallkia]

I will only respect their engineering prowess when they build a motorcycle that is able to compete with the best in the world and win a top placed position at the Isle of Man TT; like Honda. Trains only roll on tracks, yawn machines.

Cheers!

When Japan,Taiwan and S.Korea started developing,they have to export to the world because of their small domestic markets and as such they have to emphasise on quality and branding.But when China starts to grow ,they do not need to focus on the world because they have a huge domestic market which is low end and as such this is where the enterprises will first make money by selling cheap and low quality.I can bet they can built BMW quality but it will be expensive and nobody will pay that price for a Chinese brand at this juncture!But who cares,the Chinese economy is growing and growing and this is the utmost important !

 

[sleaguepunter]

To be able to maintain the operational readiness of 1 aircraft carrier at anytime, PLA need at least 4. 1 for training, 1 for resupply, 1 for maintenance, and 1 for operation.

The challenge for china navy is not about AWAC and other supporting aircraft. They are currently doing testing and had develop prototypes. The biggest difficulty is to acquire CATOBAR capability. Without CATOBAR none of the aircraft will be able to take-off using jet ski ramp as they have lower power to weight ratio unlike J15.

the current PLAN Liaoning is using the russian ramp system right? so u saying the J15 aka Su33 have problem taking off due to weight?

as for catobar technologies, maybe PRC can buy from the brazilian to get a leg up in their own system. but u are right, operating a carrier battle group is not as simple as having a carrier. i wonder how good is PLA mid-air refueling, how good is PLAN logistic/replenish ships are design and train, how good is the fleet oilers to keep the carrier battle group supply....

many ppl thought having the best technologies confirm and best trained servicemen will win, but it only part of the factors. as sun tze wrote, before an army move, logistics must move first.

 

[andyfisher]

the urines are pretty lousy at many things, especially on how to be humans.

But they are good at this.

Whoever said their trains is crap, is talking bullshit, the tiong urine trains are fantastic and very comfortable and run on time. Its better than their local flights.

The urines bluffed the russkis and the world, bought an old carrier and refit as this new carrier and even fly their own fighter off its deck. The shits who have a longer history of carrier operations cannot do the same thing.

so bottom line: the urines are going to conquer us, they dont need your respect. they just need your resources and money.
welcome to the new world. :oIo:

 

[3_M]

the current PLAN Liaoning is using the russian ramp system right? so u saying the J15 aka Su33 have problem taking off due to weight?

as for catobar technologies, maybe PRC can buy from the brazilian to get a leg up in their own system. but u are right, operating a carrier battle group is not as simple as having a carrier. i wonder how good is PLA mid-air refueling, how good is PLAN logistic/replenish ships are design and train, how good is the fleet oilers to keep the carrier battle group supply....

many ppl thought having the best technologies confirm and best trained servicemen will win, but it only part of the factors. as sun tze wrote, before an army move, logistics must move first.

There is a limit for J15 with ski ramp. It won't be able to take off at max payload. So it either they need to carry full fuel at partial weapon payload or full weapon payload with lesser fuel. This severely compromise on it firepower. Without CATOBAR, their ability to operate a range of supporting aircraft will be handicapped as those aircraft cannot take off from ski ramp.

Other than this , PLAN doesn't not have much of a problem with operating a carrier battle group as they possess an array of supplied ships and destroyers. The only weak area I can see is their ASW capability. Then again, it is said that the best weapon against submarine is submarine.

The key is still catobar, not an easy technology to copy. The Brazilian one was made in USA. Even the russian can't produce one.