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borom

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Pardon me but i find all these discussions about geopolitics and political/military strategies irrelevant.

The main purpose of the armed forces is to prevent invasion by foreigners or for people who read scholarly stuff, an instrument of foreign policy.

But the pappy has already open the gates and let in all the foreigners.We are already being invaded!

To many , the irony of it all is that the armed forces is now performing song and dance for the foreigners-eg at NDP.

Many people even say the role of NS is to protect foreigners!

Why would any country want to waste resources and lives when their people can simply walk in and take over the locals jobs, housing and places in school?

You get to collect the monies(remittance) they send home to Manila, Peking, New Delhi, KL ect2 without the headache of running the place .
 
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Ramseth

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Singapore has more firepower than its old colonial master the UK--if you exclude the UK's nukes

In numbers that's true, SAF counting all regulars, NSF and ORD NSmen is bigger than the British Army. However there's no way that the RSN and RSAF can match the RN and RAF, whether quantitively or qualitatively, not counting nukes. British forces can reach anywhere in the world and deliver destructive payloads with or without nukes. Singpore forces' combat range is only between south Thailand and north Australia.
 

kukubird58

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In numbers that's true, SAF counting all regulars, NSF and ORD NSmen is bigger than the British Army. However there's no way that the RSN and RSAF can match the RN and RAF, whether quantitively or qualitatively, not counting nukes. British forces can reach anywhere in the world and deliver destructive payloads with or without nukes. Singpore forces' combat range is only between south Thailand and north Australia.
hahaha.....ah ram, there u do again....
believe me, u are seriously out of depth on this topic.....
a friendly advice.....keep to things that you really know.
 

Conqueror

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有功夫,无懦夫。

[video=youtube;WpseUskqlW8]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WpseUskqlW8&feature=related[/video]


古语有云:有功夫,无懦夫。

I think most of you aren't trained in any form of martial arts. It's time you go to a gym OR a martial art school to change your chicken heart into a lion's. Or else, 5 to ten years down the road, PAP will STILL be in power to tell you cowards off as and when they want to.

Till today, you can't pull the trigger. Cower behind your PCs will only encourage PAPists to tell you off. They CAN do what they want to because YOU 'allow' it to happen. If you are NOT willing, the cause is already over.
 

Loofydralb

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Singapore has more firepower than its old colonial master the UK--if you exclude the UK's nukes

I didn't know you can build an army full of unwilling civilians who cannot shoot and refuse/cannot run.:smile:

And we certainly have divisions full of them.
 
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HedgeTrader

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In numbers that's true, SAF counting all regulars, NSF and ORD NSmen is bigger than the British Army. However there's no way that the RSN and RSAF can match the RN and RAF, whether quantitively or qualitatively, not counting nukes. British forces can reach anywhere in the world and deliver destructive payloads with or without nukes. Singpore forces' combat range is only between south Thailand and north Australia.

hahaha.....ah ram, there u do again....
believe me, u are seriously out of depth on this topic.....
a friendly advice.....keep to things that you really know.

I think Ramseth makes a lot of sense. But Kukubird, can you elaborate?
 

Windsor

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Singapore has more firepower than its old colonial master the UK--if you exclude the UK's nukes

You talking rubbish here. Please provide details as last I checked their armed forces are ranked no. 5 as against Singapore's 41st. Also wiki says different to what you are contending, like having aircraft carriers, destroyers and over 900 military aircraft and 17 regiments, excluding reserves.
 
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longbow

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Singapore has no ability to decimate enemy's capacity due to size of country. It takes 30 mins to reach KL. Furthermore their military assets are likely widely scattered. Finally country is covered with vegetation.

Also, I seriously doubt if we can have much of a surprise. The cards dealth are such that both sides have good intelligence right up the command chain - just a fact of life. That reduces the advantage of surprise.

US has best assets and even they together with NATO could not stop Libyan military from strafing and bombing rebel cities for weeks if not months. Mind you Libya is desert like and military assets can easily be picked from sky. US has best signal jamming capability but that is great against anti aircraft assets. But could not stop smaller artillery pieces.

Yes we can destroy strategic assets like some command and control, airfields, aircraft in the first hours. But that does not stop them from destroying our basic infrastructure. Small mobile MLRS, artillery pieces and long range missiles will make mince meat of our infrastructure.

As for a drawn out war, they can move back to their kampong plots with their small gensets and well water and wait out years. Meanwhile Singapore cannot tahan 6 months. Our weakness is ourselves. Malaysian know that and hence they need not invest in "first strike" capabilty. In a way what we have is airforce. With land forces (NS men) we will be bogged down in Johor and the Malaysian response will be fierce (the whole invading bumi land idea etc etc).

Once power is gone, HDB flats without operational lifts will be nightmare.

Will US come sailing to help and be seen as siding against a Muslim country? Just go see Syria. China? I can see them opening up country to ethinic Chinese to move to. After all China can easily absorb 1M Chinese refugees. But they will not fight a war after all Singapore is not their territory.

In short, our military spending is like building a shiny bank HQ with huge safes. Gives people confidence but just see US Twin towers - in a conflict it will all crumble very quick. But then it is important for the shiny building because it makes investors feel confident (banks know that too).

However it makes for good politics to talk about conflicts when there cannot be one because the price is too high.


Bro, you completely misunderstood what is first strike capability.

It does not mean first to shoot. In a first strike capability, you decimate your enemy's capacity to launch any attack for weeks and possibly by months. Its a well organised plan where you knock out everything that is important out. It's means an airforce with no planes, no radar, no military high command, extensive jamming of signals, no deployment capability etc.

"First Strike" is not two words put together, it carries a distinct meaning militarily and politically. Also closely aligned with "Pre-emotive"You are confusing a surprise attack with first strike. You can spot a country's philosophy of first strike by their excessive acquisition of airforce and highly mobile deployment capability assets. There is only 2 countries that fall into this category - is Israel and Singapore. It's is an expensive proposition.

Let me draw an analogy - you and your neighbour staying in landed property have an argument over cars being parked. Such scenarios involve throwing of insults, the occasional punch-ups and damage to your property. Lets assume there is no local law enforcement and courts similar to countries fighting. In first strike capability, your neighbour comes home from work to find his entire house burnt down, including his family. He is not only homeless, it will take a long while before he can function meaningfully.

It has nothing to do with you throwing the first punch when he is not looking.
 

annexa

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Open fire on non-combatants is a crime under Geneva Convention?
If we open fire on refugees, we are opening our backside up for Indonesia to get UN support and brand us as rogue state with no regards for human life.



Singapore marine police and naval patrol should be trained to open fire instantly and incessantly until they cease and desist. That was the case during Confrontasi. We were lucky then to have the Royal Navy doing that bloody job to stop them in the waters. Indonesia is a big chain of islands and very populous, that's true. But they can't afford to arm so many men. It's alright to spray bullets into masses of unarmed men when these masses if landed can cause the same harm or even worse. That's still legitimate self-defence without compromising morality.
 
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