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Even Super Rich Wily Cat Oei Hong Leong Loss $$$ On Lehman Bonds

Porfirio Rubirosa

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Dec 31, 2008
THE ST INTERVIEW
Keep your wealth for next round

A tough 2009...but a speedy recovery is possible once Americans start spending again, says Oei Hong Leong
By Lee Su Shyan, Assistant Money Editor

The secret to getting a good night's sleep, saya Mr Oei, is to embrace one's problems: 'Face it, accept it, resolve it and put it down.' -- ST PHOTO: WANG HUI FEN

IF ONE word sums up the year just ended for veteran investor Oei Hong Leong, it is 'scary'.
'Looking back, that is the feeling that comes from my heart,' said the multi-millionaire father of four daughters, pointing to the financial firestorm that erupted on Wall Street and swept the globe.

Bold gambits
BUSINESSMAN Oei Hong Leong, 60, is now retired from active deal-making. But he still hits the spotlight with bold gambits such as his recent foray into AIG shares, which yielded a generous bounty for the Lee Kuan Yew School of Public Policy. He has set up the Oei Hong Leong Foundation as a vehicle for charity work. Earlier this year, he gave $2 million to help build hospitals and schools in the earthquake-hit province of Sichuan. He and and his Taiwanese-born wife Angela have four daughters.

His advice for the year ahead

'This is a financial tsunami. One can lose an arm, a leg but don't lose one's head. For the new year, I would advise people to be positive and look after one's health. Spend more time with your family.'
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Mr Oei, 60, with a long-standing reputation as a savvy investor, has made some fast bucks through bold moves in the crisis this year, but he has lost money too.

He admitted that he was among the many thousands of investors hit by US investment bank Lehman Brothers' collapse in September, which was a key event in the unfolding meltdown. He had invested in Lehman Brothers' bonds.

'I have been burnt,' Mr Oei told The Straits Times in an interview yesterday, 'and have lost a lot of money.'

But he quickly turned philosophical.

'This is a financial tsunami. One can lose an arm, a leg but don't lose one's head.' He added: 'For the new year, I would advise people to be positive and look after one's health. Spend more time with your family.'

Standing back to size up the unfolding crisis, Mr Oei asked: 'If winter has come, can spring be far away?'

But he is under no illusions about the severity of the winter, while it lasts.

He believes this crisis is '10 times' worse than the Asian financial crisis in 1997 - when only Asia was hit - and even worse than the 1974 oil crisis, which did not involve a financial crisis or credit crunch. OCBC shares fell from $50 to around $4 then, he recalls.

'We have to be ready for our coldest winter yet,' he said. 'If people do not have money, because their jobs are in jeopardy and they cannot service their mortgages, they will not have any confidence to spend.'

He noted that next year marks several key anniversaries of troubled times, the obvious one being the 80th anniversary of the start of the Great Depression in 1929. There is also the May Fourth movement of 1919 in China and with its echo in 1989 which led to the Tiananmen incident. '2009 is likely to make it to the history books too,' he said.

Mr Oei is clearly shocked by recent events. He noted that in the past three months, the Wall Street model of investment banking has disappeared with Merrill Lynch being bought out. The last two to go were Goldman Sachs and Morgan Stanley. Insurance giant American International Group (AIG) obtained a massive bailout, as did mortgage giants Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.

Citigroup has billions of dollars in off-balance sheet toxic assets. 'What about Bank of America or JP Morgan?' he asked.

So far, most of the impact has been on financial institutions, with the real economy expected to be hit badly next year.

Mr Oei pointed out that AIG had yet to sell its assets, as planned, to raise cash to repay a huge government loan. Hedge funds too, have to sell off their assets to meet redemption calls.

De-leveraging - banks and investors having to unload their vast portfolios to raise money - can only drive prices down further, he noted.

On oil prices, he said: 'I won't be surprised if they hit US$30 or even go below that. The situation now is even worse than 10 years ago.'

If oil prices tumble to those levels, it will likely put the brakes on the various oil-rich Middle Eastern economies which have been powering ahead.

The latest scandal to hit Wall Street is the estimated US$50 billion (S$72 billion) fraud involving Bernard Madoff and his funds.

'This will likely start a big wave of redemptions,' he said. At the end of day, 'the risk is that people lose their trust completely in funds'.

Mr Oei surprised many industry watchers back in September when he swooped in to buy one million AIG shares.

That was at the start of the financial turmoil, as markets watched helplessly as one respected financial institution after another teetered on the brink of collapse.

Yet, with AIG shares at about US$1.80, Mr Oei was brave enough to take advantage of this trading window. The shares traded around this level for only about an hour before recovering at hints of a US government bailout.

About a week later, he sold them at US$5 apiece, enhancing his reputation for good timing. They have since trended downwards over fears the bailout will not solve all AIG's problems and that the US$85 billion will not be enough anyway.

The shares are now around US$1.55. Mr Oei donated the entire proceeds to the Lee Kuan Yew School of Public Policy.

Looking to China, where he has considerable experience, he is not hopeful that a four trillion yuan (S$844 billion) stimulus package unveiled recently will have much immediate impact as he feels the Chinese don't have American spending habits.

Still, the Indonesian-born investor who spent his early years in communist China working in the countryside, and later made money buying state-owned assets to list abroad, is confident of the mainland's long-term growth story.

He is encouraged by proposed legislative changes to allow Chinese rural folk to own property, to take a loan out on their property and to pass it on to the next generation. This will result in the multiplier effect and drive consumption, he said.

Even though 2009 will be tough, Mr Oei is confident that when the US recovers, it will be a speedy recovery.

Consumption is the mainstay of the US economy and since most Americans are poor savers, they will eventually consume, which will propel the economy.

If US stimulus measures can create jobs, then that will help consumption as people will consume once they have jobs and can service their loans. The downside is that there may be rapid inflation.

Singapore is part of the global economy and cannot avoid the effects of the downturn, he said. 'However, we are lucky we have good government, good infrastructure and strong fundamentals.'

One of the most important tasks ahead will be to support small and medium enterprises (SMEs). 'It is better to support and help these SMEs as it will work out cheaper to keep existing jobs than create new jobs,' he said.

The Government has already set aside $2.3 billion to help SMEs deal with the credit crunch and Mr Oei believes that the solution is to help get the money to the SMEs directly. Currently, the banks are reluctant to lend, although it is important to act fast, he said.

As fortunes come crashing down around everyone's ears, he cited an old Buddhist saying. He held out a cup of green tea. 'How long can you hold it? A few minutes, an hour, a few days?' he asked. 'Soon you'll have to put it down.'

The secret to a good night's rest, he said, is to embrace one's problems. 'Face it, accept it, resolve it and put it down.'

Easier said than done, but Mr Oei said that it reminds people not to be too caught up with one's problems.

On a more practical note, he encouraged investors to cut their losses on shares which have been losing value.

'Don't wait until the bank cuts the losses for you,' he said, adding that it is better to have some ammunition in store for when the upturn comes around.

'The stupidest thing to do is to average,' he said firmly, referring to the common practice among investors when the market weakens, to buy more of a certain counter they already own at the lower price, thus lowering the average price they paid for the counter.

That's because many investors are loath to sell their investment at a loss, even though the sale will at least bring in some hard cash.

Mr Oei explained this point with another Chinese saying, which talks about reserving enough firewood for the winter.

'Stop the bleeding and keep your wealth for the next round.'

His resolution for the new year: 'I have lost a lot of money and what I have learnt this time is to be more conservative, more cautious and more patient.'

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JinGanKor

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he knows his stuff, and he is investing/gambling, he lost and you can say he is greedy or trying his luck.

I believe those money that he lost, he has no intention of putting them into fixed deposit and definitely he did not invest in those because of misselling.
 

kuntakinte

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So, what is the "hidden" message to those minibonds investors? Here it is:

#1. It is to re-affirm what LKY had said, these minibonds investors invest with their "EYES WIDE OPEN" !!

#2. If you want to gamble, you must be able to afford it! Like me, Oei Hong Leong, I am prepared to lose an arm or a leg, you lousy LOSERS !!

#3. The reason why I could afford the brunt ? I have it and you losers have-nots !!

#4. Get lawyers to sue whichever bank you like, but, YOU LOSERS WILL NEVER WIN !!!!



Dec 31, 2008
THE ST INTERVIEW
Keep your wealth for next round


He admitted that he was among the many thousands of investors hit by US investment bank Lehman Brothers' collapse in September, which was a key event in the unfolding meltdown. He had invested in Lehman Brothers' bonds.

'I have been burnt,' Mr Oei told The Straits Times in an interview yesterday, 'and have lost a lot of money.'

But he quickly turned philosophical.

'This is a financial tsunami. One can lose an arm, a leg but don't lose one's head.' He added: 'For the new year, I would advise people to be positive and look after one's health. Spend more time with your family.'

Standing back to size up the unfolding crisis, Mr Oei asked: 'If winter has come, can spring be far away?'
 

Hope

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So, what is the "hidden" message to those minibonds investors? Here it is:

#1. It is to re-affirm what LKY had said, these minibonds investors invest with their "EYES WIDE OPEN" !!

#2. If you want to gamble, you must be able to afford it! Like me, Oei Hong Leong, I am prepared to lose an arm or a leg, you lousy LOSERS !!

#3. The reason why I could afford the brunt ? I have it and you losers have-nots !!

#4. Get lawyers to sue whichever bank you like, but, YOU LOSERS WILL NEVER WIN !!!!
It is obvios that Ooi is doing bidding of LKY,moes he really respect LKY or need LKY's assistance?

But Ooi just reminds me of Mr Sheldon,LV Sands,who needs peanuts fr LKY<I dont know what Ooi needs,but I know his dad is not doing that well.
 

Hope

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"
Standing back to size up the unfolding crisis, Mr Oei asked: 'If winter has come, can spring be far away?'


Well,I used to work under Ooi many years back.

He is over hype,but most important is that he was borned from the right hole.

I juts hope those who read him would be reminded:


One swallow do not make a summer
 

pak.chew.cheng

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"
Standing back to size up the unfolding crisis, Mr Oei asked: 'If winter has come, can spring be far away?'


Well,I used to work under Ooi many years back.

He is over hype,but most important is that he was borned from the right hole.

I juts hope those who read him would be reminded:


One swallow do not make a summer


What did Oei swallow?
 

RealSingaporean

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i don't think he SERIOUSLY invest in minibond. maybe his relative like nephew ask him to buy, so he just use his loose change to buy some lor, without looking at it. if he do put in, the money is peanut to him lar.

if he is really INVESTING, his group advisers will know what to advise him. so please do not compare him with other minibond investors.
 

Hope

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i don't think he SERIOUSLY invest in minibond. maybe his relative like nephew ask him to buy, so he just use his loose change to buy some lor, without looking at it. if he do put in, the money is peanut to him lar.

if he is really INVESTING, his group advisers will know what to advise him. so please do not compare him with other minibond investors.
Let me leak some info about his dad's company since he is so boastful.

One Indonesian biz friend introduced me to do biz with his dad's company,HQ Jakarta,but on one condition,the payment is anything fr 12 -18 months and beyond.It is a blue chip,public company listed on SES and Jakarta exchange.

After considertaion,I thanked my friend and told him,pl forget it.
 

funglung

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Why quote LKY


Do you really think that his son and daughter-in-law lost all those billions?
They are just puppets of LKY who think he is a financial genius.

LKY knows fuckoff about business and lost billions of our money already.
 

peasantJUDGE

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We should not be surprised. Most multi-millionaires have had their assets halved and even three-quartered in the last 6 months. There's a report a few days back that Chelsea owner Abramovich's wealth is down to $2BN from $16BN, and he's weighing whether to sell Chelsea or his $200M yacht. Alden Sheldon is another prominent example.
 

Merl Haggard

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It is obvios that Ooi is doing bidding of LKY,moes he really respect LKY or need LKY's assistance?

But Ooi just reminds me of Mr Sheldon,LV Sands,who needs peanuts fr LKY<I dont know what Ooi needs,but I know his dad is not doing that well.

OHL the Indonesian pariah has to carry Lao-Yeow-Siew's balls till LYS dies for the following reasons:

1) When OHL used tens of millions of Dollars of UIC funds to dabble in Nikkei and lost it all in the 80's, OHL's biz partner, Dennis Lee appealed to LYS to let OHL leave town for HK without any query.

2) In 1999 when the triads in HK nearly bundled OHL up and dumped him into Victoria Harbour for hurting thousands of investors for buying his counters listed in Hang Seng through his ruthless manipulation, LYS allowed him to return to S'pore.

Since that afternoon when OHL was rescued by his bodyguards from the triad hitmen, OHL never dare to step on HK soil ever.
 

congo9

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He can afford it to lose a few millions any time. See he can donate a few million to LKY school without hesistation. For folk like us , a few hundred K will take a life time to accumulate.
 
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