Dan Barker: losing faith in faith

[fishbuff]

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[Psalm23]

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Dear Gorilla-Fishbuff,

How many times do we need to tell you this? This is a sign of the "Great Falling Away", just as propheised in the Bible. You will see more and more and they will be 'great' religious leaders to denounce their faith. This type of 'testimony' actually strengthen the faith of true believers. Sadly, only half-baked Christians - if really there are such Christians - are affected and would follow them to turn away from God.

 

[fishbuff]

Dear Gorilla-Fishbuff,

How many times do we need to tell you this? This is a sign of the "Great Falling Away", just as propheised in the Bible. You will see more and more and they will be 'great' religious leaders to denounce their faith. This type of 'testimony' actually strengthen the faith of true believers. Sadly, only half-baked Christians - if really there are such Christians - are affected and would follow them to turn away from God.

juss the other day, two jehovah witness came to my door. professing theirs is the only true religion, the couple claimed that catholics and the protestants in the current world are NOT the true followers of jesus. Frankly, i concur with them. There are just too many xtian hypocrites around, you are one such example.

 

[gymkhana]

Dear Gorilla-Fishbuff,

How many times do we need to tell you this? This is a sign of the "Great Falling Away", just as propheised in the Bible. You will see more and more and they will be 'great' religious leaders to denounce their faith. This type of 'testimony' actually strengthen the faith of true believers. Sadly, only half-baked Christians - if really there are such Christians - are affected and would follow them to turn away from God.

Alot of what you say are the so called prophecies in the bible.
Can you please give the bible prophecy that says these religious leaders will one day leave their religion.... a "falling away " in your words.

Thanks
.....Peace...

 

[gymkhana]

this one for the atheist to reflect really on he existence of God
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[Psalm23]

Alot of what you say are the so called prophecies in the bible.
Can you please give the bible prophecy that says these religious leaders will one day leave their religion.... a "falling away " in your words.

Thanks
.....Peace...

There are many verses (e.g. 2 Thessalonians 2:3; 2 Peter 2:1-3; 1 Timothy 4:1-4; 2 Timothy 3:1-5) and believers are plainly warned to be careful that these 'great falling away' where we will see false teachers preaching and teaching to sway believers away from God. In the book of Matthew chapter 23, we see how Jesus rebuke those pharisees and scribes who were hypocrites, no different from many religious leaders today.

 

[fishbuff]

Peter, being the chief disciple of the twelve, had "written" both the gospels and Apocalypse. Why arent there in the bible? strange right? howabout gospels of thomas, book or enoch?....

free thinking or atheism is gaining momentum around the world, all these old superstitious dogma are going away like the dinosaurs. Take for example, Martin Luther, founder of protestantism. he is asking for blind faith, absolute obedience and with zero critical thinking and reasoning. typical....

http://www.fireandknowledge.org/archives/2008/02/29/martin-luther-on-the-whore-of-reason/

What are we to make of these quotes by Martin Luther about reason? Are they out of context (or misquoted), or was this really his attitude regarding reason?

“Reason is the Devil’s greatest whore; by nature and manner of being she is a noxious whore; she is a prostitute, the Devil’s appointed whore; whore eaten by scab and leprosy who ought to be trodden under foot and destroyed, she and her wisdom… Throw dung in her face to make her ugly. She is and she ought to be drowned in baptism… She would deserve, the wretch, to be banished to the filthiest place in the house, to the closets.”

—Martin Luther, Works, Erlangen Edition v. 16, pp. 142-148.

“Reason is the greatest enemy that faith has; it never comes to the aid of spiritual things, but—more frequently than not—struggles against the divine Word, treating with contempt all that emanates from God.”

—Martin Luther, Table Talks in 1569.

“Heretics are not to be disputed with, but to be condemned unheard, and whilst they perish by fire, the faithful ought to pursue the evil to its source, and bathe their heads in the blood of the Catholic bishops, and of the Pope, who is the devil in disguise.”

—Martin Luther, Table Talks (as quoted in Religious History: An Inquiry by M. Searle Bates, p. 156).

readers, beware, less you sink into the same pit of a prehistoric mind that cannot reason, think straight and believe in superstitions like deities, tooth faires, kitchen gods, and flying dragons.

 

[fishbuff]

this one for the atheist to reflect really on he existence of God

come on, Islam is just a copy from the Judaism, just like Christianity. use your brain and think.

 

[gymkhana]

come on, Islam is just a copy from the Judaism, just like Christianity. use your brain and think.

maybe its you who should be using your brains( not brain cos you do have more than one cell right?)
I could be wrong about that though from your level of ignorance displayed here.

Now here is some knowledge for you..
Islam means nothing more than submission to the will of GOD. and that was the religion of all from the time of Adam till now.

Mohammad(peace be upon him and all the messengers) never taught anything new and he never founded the religion contrary to what you have been spouting from your single cell

He was merely echoing the same message that was delivered by the earlier messengers that included Abraham Joseph Jacob David Noah Lot Moses Aaron and Jesus.
Now the question or questions for you if you have a brain is this:
Do you think these messengers existed or or are they just fables and they never existed?
If they did exist, what was the message they brought to the people?
Wasnt it that GOD is One?
Yup you guessed it right.. easy right ?
Now was the message that they brought to the peoples at their time any different from what Mohammad taught?
Yup.. again you guessed it right ...no difference..That God is One. and submit to the will of God instead of submitting to your own desires and lusts for this world.

Next thing you have to ask yrself is who or what do you submit to in this life?
Do you have a hobby /passion that you do with so much fervour and happiness in this world and /or is it ever changing?Well that is what you are submitting to.

I choose to submit to GOD Almighty.

Maybe you should investigate Islam from unbaised sources .

From the world view of Islam, most of the world's major religions originated in the pure religion of Islam itself and only through the teachings being lost, forgotten or wilfully corrupted have these religions changed. Judaism claims special status for the Jews as the chosen people - a status which cannot be acquired except through birth [1] and which makes a Jew superior to any non-Jew (goyim) whatever their beliefs. Christianity insists that you must believe in various doctrines which form the foundations of what is distinctively 'Christian' belief in order to be 'saved' (i.e. that Jesus (peace be upon him) died to atone for the sins of Mankind, that Allah is a trinity etc.). This doctrine, the (Catholic) church itself admits [2], didn't develop until several hundred years after Christ and so cannot possibly have applied to those before Jesus nor to his early followers. In contrast to this, Islam has at its core, a simple message which applies to all human beings before Muhammad (pbuh) and all after his time:

"...And they say: "None shall enter paradise unless he be a Jew or a Christian." Those are their (vain) desires. Say: "Produce your proof if you are truthful." Nay whoever submits his whole self to Allah and is a doer of good, he will get his reward with his Lord; on such shall be no fear nor shall they grieve."

Qur'an 2:111-112

 

[fishbuff]

maybe its you who should be using your brains( not brain cos you do have more than one cell right?)
I could be wrong about that though from your level of ignorance displayed here.

Now here is some knowledge for you..
Islam means nothing more than submission to the will of GOD. and that was the religion of all from the time of Adam till now.

Mohammad(peace be upon him and all the messengers) never taught anything new and he never founded the religion contrary to what you have been spouting from your single cell

He was merely echoing the same message that was delivered by the earlier messengers that included Abraham Joseph Jacob David Noah Lot Moses Aaron and Jesus.
Now the question or questions for you if you have a brain is this:
Do you think these messengers existed or or are they just fables and they never existed?
If they did exist, what was the message they brought to the people?
Wasnt it that GOD is One?
Yup you guessed it right.. easy right ?
Now was the message that they brought to the peoples at their time any different from what Mohammad taught?
Yup.. again you guessed it right ...no difference..That God is One. and submit to the will of God instead of submitting to your own desires and lusts for this world.

Next thing you have to ask yrself is who or what do you submit to in this life?
Do you have a hobby /passion that you do with so much fervour and happiness in this world and /or is it ever changing?Well that is what you are submitting to.

I choose to submit to GOD Almighty.

Maybe you should investigate Islam from unbaised sources .

From the world view of Islam, most of the world's major religions originated in the pure religion of Islam itself and only through the teachings being lost, forgotten or wilfully corrupted have these religions changed. Judaism claims special status for the Jews as the chosen people - a status which cannot be acquired except through birth [1] and which makes a Jew superior to any non-Jew (goyim) whatever their beliefs. Christianity insists that you must believe in various doctrines which form the foundations of what is distinctively 'Christian' belief in order to be 'saved' (i.e. that Jesus (peace be upon him) died to atone for the sins of Mankind, that Allah is a trinity etc.). This doctrine, the (Catholic) church itself admits [2], didn't develop until several hundred years after Christ and so cannot possibly have applied to those before Jesus nor to his early followers. In contrast to this, Islam has at its core, a simple message which applies to all human beings before Muhammad (pbuh) and all after his time:

"...And they say: "None shall enter paradise unless he be a Jew or a Christian." Those are their (vain) desires. Say: "Produce your proof if you are truthful." Nay whoever submits his whole self to Allah and is a doer of good, he will get his reward with his Lord; on such shall be no fear nor shall they grieve."

Qur'an 2:111-112

come on la... islam is a tribal ancient religion that belongs to the arab. malays and others have their own beliefs. why should we adopt those foreign religions?
make no mistake, science and religion cannot mix. they are INCOMPATIBLE.!!

 

[gymkhana]

come on la... islam is a tribal ancient religion that belongs to the arab. malays and others have their own beliefs. why should we adopt those foreign religions?
make no mistake, science and religion cannot mix. they are INCOMPATIBLE.!!

Is Dr Lawrence Brown, dr jeffrey Lang, dr Keith Moore an Arab, a Malay or some "tribal" guy? LOL
You really should open your mind.
is Dr Tejasen Tejasen a Malay? is Dr maurice Bucaile an Arab?
Is dr Fidelma rose a Malay..

wakeee wakeee time to wake up.
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[Psalm23]

......science and religion cannot mix. they are INCOMPATIBLE.!!

This is quite true but only when you view religion is just another subject like history or geography. But this is nonsensical if you are equating 'science and the God of Creation. They are fully compatible. True system of belief in God is not and could not be 'founded' ..... Moses, Abraham did not discover Yaweh neither did Issac, Jacob, King David, King Solomon. God of the Creation, God of the Bible is there from the very beginning. His existence is simply revealed through His Holy Scripture, and His absolute moral character was revealed through His Son, Jesus. Whether Moses, Abraham, Issac, Jacob, King David, King Solomon were born is not relevant to God's existence. These people, together with many others both in the OT and the NT were simply God's messengers and God's servants. They did not come to create a religion, unlike religions that many could associate with their founders.

The Holy Scriptures, the Bible, God's word is fully compatible with science. Besides, the messages we read in the Bible, though written thousand years ago, are more relevant today than they were several thousand years ago. Not only God's messages found the Bible are compatible with science, they are compatible with the political, social, economic, moral, and just about everything you can see around you today as it was few thousand years ago. Even though they were written by about 40 different people of diferently background, there is only One Theme in these messages, and the world knows that Theme. It boils down to whether we accept it or not giving rise to two biblical groups of people that God has grouped us: You are either a sheep or a goat (Matthew 25:32-46). So, which group do you belong to?