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Cut defence spending and ministerial salaries: SDP

metalslug

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http://www.straitstimes.com/BreakingNews/Singapore/Story/STIStory_635570.html

Cut defence spending and ministerial salaries: SDP
By Tessa Wong

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File photo of Dr Vincent Wijeysingha speaking at a Singapore Democratic Party rally at Hong Lim Park. -- ST PHOTO: CAROLINE CHIA

CUT defence spending and ministerial salaries, and spend more on education, healthcare and social benefits.

These are among the many proposals in the Singapore Democratic Party's (SDP) shadow budget, released on Wednesday as a counter-proposal to the Government's Budget due on Friday.

The project, which took about three months to conceive, was led and presented by one of the party's newest members Dr Vincent Wijeysingha.

One key suggestion is slashing the $11.46 billion defence budget by about 20 per cent yielding about $2 billion. The SDP reasons, in its budget paper, that enhancing relationships with neighbours would reduce the need for expenditure on military capabilities.

Ministerial salaries would also be slashed heavily to yield an estimated $30 million. The SDP suggests pegging the Prime Minister's salary to about $60,000 a month, with other ministers' salaries reduced proportionately.

It also suggests cutting out the positions of Minister Mentor, Senior Minister, and Ministers without Portfolio in the Prime Minister's Office.

Other suggestions include: a tiered GST system; a Singaporeans First hiring policy where employers must proritise hiring Singaporeans over foreigners; and a focus on building up small and medium-sized enterprises (SMEs) and niche sectors such as green technology.
 

Ilovelamb

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we are surrounded by 250 millions of these fanatic who will killed and rape your wife, sisters, daughters and mother once they smell chances that you become weak, you sure want to cut defense budget? :oIo:

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Cestbon

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Same discussion about the topic but nothing happen.
Cut defend budget by at least 30%. One easy why is reduce buying 2nd class plane and abolish NS.
Peg the PM and Ministers salary to the top 5 average world leader pay.
That will be very fair.
 

metalslug

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Read this article again...

http://yoursdp.org/index.php/news/singapore/4470-sdp-proposes-alternative-ns-policy-

SDP proposes alternative NS policy
Wednesday, 05 January 2011
Singapore Democrats

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National Service (NS), or army conscription in Singapore, was first introduced in 1967 due to pressing issues such as national security after Singapore's "forced" independence in 1965. In 1971, the British completely pulled out of Singapore. It has been 41 years since the introduction of NS.

Since then the world and Asia has changed significantly in terms of security and economic arrangements. But has Singapore's conscription policy kept up with these changes to reflect and cope with the new geopolitical landscape?

First let us review the service that all able-bodied 18-year-old male Singaporeans have to undergo. Basic Military Training, or BMT, is the "boot camp" for all new recruits. This lasts for three months whereupon the soldier then gets posted out to other units for further specialised training.

The conscripts then serve the remainder of their two-year stint polishing up their combat skills. Following the two years of full-time service, NSmen are required (for up to 40 days a year) to serve in a part-tme capacity until they are 50 years old for commissioned officers and 40 for others.

SDP's solutions:

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The PAP's NS policy is outmoded and does not serve the interests of Singapore and the people. The Singapore Democrats propose reforming the system in the following ways:

Reduce the two-year full-time service

In an age where warfare has turned to "smart" technology, is it still logical and necessary for Singapore to insist that its National Servicemen undergo 24 months of active, full-time service? Such a policy is rare among countries that maintain a conscription policy.

On the right is a list of countries with periods of full-time conscript service. The overwhelming majority of the conscription systems limit their length of services to no more than 12 months. The more advanced countries like Austria, Denmark, Germany, and Switzerland all have full-time services that are less than one year.

Given the situation in Singapore there is no reason why we cannot employ more efficient training methods and reduce full-time NS from the present two years to twelve months or less.

At the moment, NSmen are exploited for their services to glorify the PAP during National Day parades. The energy and time of these men can be put to more productive use in the real economy than as entertainment for the PAP regime.

In addition they are exploited as cheap labour filling posts such as police officers, firefighters and extra-hands during big events. It must be remembered that the Enlistment Act was enacted for a specific purpose and any detraction from that purpose must be rejected.

Expand professional army

To compensate for the decrease in the number of active and reservist NSmen, the Singapore Armed Forces should expand a professional army recruitment to complement the reduction in the number of conscripts.

Reduce reservist training

The current period of reservist training is a burden on the servicemen and, by extension, the economy. In addition, reservists have to contend with migrant workers in terms of remuneration and promotion when employers compare local men who have to be away for weeks in anyone year to foreign workers who have no such obligation. This unfair competition takes place at a time when men settle down and start families in their 30s. Job stability and career prospects are essential during this period.

To minimise this problem the span of a serviceman's reservist training should not go beyond the age of 30.

In addition, the human body goes into decline after the age of 30. To maintain the military in top condition, it makes little sense to keep men over the age of 30 in the frontline. The period of Operationally-Ready NS training cycles should be cut to five instead of the current ten.

Allow for conscientious objectors

What about people who do not believe in military service due to moral, religious or ethical grounds? At the moment such conscientious objectors are charged and imprisoned for the length of their service.

In some of the countries that have compulsory military service, there is also a provision for conscientious objectors to serve in non-combat roles. There is an argument that this would open the flood gates for men to opt for non-combat positions. Such a loophole can be plugged by increasing the length of active service by, say, six months. The experiences of other countries like Germany and Sweden have not been negative in this aspect where males try to avoid combat service by claiming to be conscientious objectors.

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NSmen in National Day Parades: For whose benefit?

Be transparent

Obligation in Singapore seems to be a one-way street. While the Government holds the people accountable for their NS liabilities, the Ministry of Defence remains non-transparent and non-accountable in their dealings with the public.

Training fatalities and injuries of NSmen are not made known to the public as a matter-of-course. The Government which compels the people to give their lives for the country are obliged to be absolutely transparent with information pertaining to safety issues. Compensation for deaths and injuries must also be reviewed and revised upwards.

Improve diplomacy and foreign relations

In order for Singapore to reduce the chances of armed conflict with other countries, we need to improve our foreign relations and diplomatic skills. The recent revelations by Wikileaks where our senior diplomatic officials made disparaging remarks against our closest neighbours are not the way forward.

We must embark on an enlightened foreign policy approach where we work with our ASEAN neighbours instead of treating them with disdain. Instead of practising one-upmanship, a new approach must be adopted. This should include signing treatises and conducting military exercises with the ultimate aim of forming a regional defence force.

Such a move will also address the problem of discrimination against Singaporeans who are Muslims. Building up trust and confidence with our Malay-Muslim neighbours in areas of military defence will eliminate this problem as we work towards a peaceful and friendly co-existence instead of the suspicious and hostile atmosphere that currently exists.

Such an approach will also help us reduce our defence budget which is more than $11 billion, or 25 percent of our national budget. A reduction in military spending will allow us to divert more resources to other areas such as healthcare and other aid for the elderly and poor.

Conclusion

The SDP's alternative NS policy will go a long way to address the many problems that currently burden Singaporean males and their families. It is forward looking and sensible. Most important it will afford our country continued security as well as sustainable progress that this country needs.
 

singveld

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agree, good idea, the army today is a useless paper tiger, either you spend money to build a true army, like swiss or israel and usa army, or you cut military spending.

reduce full time NS, reduce reservist or cancel totally reservists
 

cleareyes

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Have any of the people in SDP ever wonder why we spend so much on defence budget ? Where were the money actually been spend?

Does SDP has any option at hand to ensure that the quality of Singapore's defence do not fall or fail if the Budget were to be reduce?

Can SDP garanteed that if NS is reduce or even abolished, that Singapore still have enough trained manpower to provide deterrence against aggression and handle actual field defence when the shots are fired?

I dont expect anyone from SDP to even answer the above question because they are unable to. How about the SDP supporters? Could you answer any of them?
 

iFARKurMADER

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agree, good idea, the army today is a useless paper tiger, either you spend money to build a true army, like swiss or israel and usa army, or you cut military spending.

reduce full time NS, reduce reservist or cancel totally reservists

this is a good point but i know it will never happen.

defence budget is usually the easiest budget of any nation to eat money away

why?

1) play the fear factor someone will attack you, true to a certain extent, so its a die die must have budget
2) because if its sensitivity nature, how the money is spent cannot be disclosed in details. and usually, it's the details that are "important"

how much is one m16 bullet when bought from overseas? how much is SAF paying for it? just imagine with all the live firing we have, just a grey area on 1 cent per bullet, how much "black money" can be created (or vanquished)

and the best part is, the auditor can only be the govt itself!

tough luck to reduce this budget
 

Thick Face Black Heart

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Cleareyes,

In the past decade a lot was spent upgrading infrastructure and hardware. Now that the upgrade cycle is complete, we can afford to step back and run basic maintenance, which should require a smaller budget.

Reduction of NS is in fact taking place now.

In fact, we can look toward other countries for guidance. Despite the reduction to 2 years full time NSF, we still have the longest training period in the world. This is not even comparing the reservist period. And that's considering some countries like South Korea & Taiwan are in geopolitically more precarious positions than us.

I dare say that the govt, even without any opposition party prompting, the govt will reduce defence spending in both percentage of GDP as well as absolute terms over the next several years.



Have any of the people in SDP ever wonder why we spend so much on defence budget ? Where were the money actually been spend?

Does SDP has any option at hand to ensure that the quality of Singapore's defence do not fall or fail if the Budget were to be reduce?

Can SDP garanteed that if NS is reduce or even abolished, that Singapore still have enough trained manpower to provide deterrence against aggression and handle actual field defence when the shots are fired?

I dont expect anyone from SDP to even answer the above question because they are unable to. How about the SDP supporters? Could you answer any of them?
 

NoNewsGood

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You cut defence spending, Mindef big contractors like ST Engineering will collapse. ST Engineering has about 10,000 employees in Singapore and because of security reasons, most are Singapore citizens. Yes, 10,000 Singaporeans will become jobless.
 

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You cut defence spending, Mindef big contractors like ST Engineering will collapse. ST Engineering has about 10,000 employees in Singapore and because of security reasons, most are Singapore citizens. Yes, 10,000 Singaporeans will become jobless.

but to be honest, got a few friends in the above mentioned companies...these are really places with a lot of dead wood and poorly managed.

i know USA is also doing this, creating jobs by hiring more soldiers, creating more wars so they can spend on missles, airplanes etc.

but...isn't this reason for spending so much in defence ...very sad for us as a nation? (or citystate)
 

Thick Face Black Heart

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You cut defence spending, Mindef big contractors like ST Engineering will collapse. ST Engineering has about 10,000 employees in Singapore and because of security reasons, most are Singapore citizens. Yes, 10,000 Singaporeans will become jobless.

I see this not as 10,000 jobs lost, but 10,000 jobs that could have been more productively placed in the private sector. These Singaporeans are not going to have a bright future with ST Engg. The real ones getting hurt will be PAP cronies, not Singaporeans.
 

hotbot

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i strongly agree! defense budget cannot cut!!!

we are surrounded by 250 millions of these fanatic who will killed and rape your wife, sisters, daughters and mother once they smell chances that you become weak, you sure want to cut defense budget? :oIo:
 

Ramseth

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Ministerial paycut is logical but defence cut is either a sick joke or a geno-suicide attempt.

Should increase defence budget and buy some serious stuff like aircraft carriers and nuclear missile submarines.
 

Windsor

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Top positions in these companies are reserved for retired armed forces top ranking personnel, rewards for bootlickers. Eventually these personnel will replaced retired PAP members. The 10,000 personnel employed will ensure that PAP garner their votes for PAP's continual renewal and posterity.

I see this not as 10,000 jobs lost, but 10,000 jobs that could have been more productively placed in the private sector. These Singaporeans are not going to have a bright future with ST Engg. The real ones getting hurt will be PAP cronies, not Singaporeans.
 

hotbot

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Ministerial paycut is logical but defence cut is either a sick joke or a geno-suicide attempt.

my question is how to ensure that ministar will not be corrupted if their pay no good?

Should increase defence budget and buy some serious stuff like aircraft carriers and nuclear missile submarines.

like this will provoke further arm race and suspicion.
 

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like this will provoke further arm race and suspicion.

The mutual suspicion and distrust have always been there and proven irreconciliable. Arms race or not, we have to have enough arms for deterrent and retaliation.
 

Papsmearer

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we are surrounded by 250 millions of these fanatic who will killed and rape your wife, sisters, daughters and mother once they smell chances that you become weak, you sure want to cut defense budget? :oIo:

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And how are these 250 million so call fanatics going to come here and rape our women? They swimming? Don't be a paranoid retard.
 

Papsmearer

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Have any of the people in SDP ever wonder why we spend so much on defence budget ? Where were the money actually been spend?

Does SDP has any option at hand to ensure that the quality of Singapore's defence do not fall or fail if the Budget were to be reduce?

Can SDP garanteed that if NS is reduce or even abolished, that Singapore still have enough trained manpower to provide deterrence against aggression and handle actual field defence when the shots are fired?

I dont expect anyone from SDP to even answer the above question because they are unable to. How about the SDP supporters? Could you answer any of them?

I am not an SDP supporter, but I can answer your questions.
Why we spend so much on defence budget?
Answer: There are several factors here. One of them is paranoia on the part of the PAP and in particular, Old Goat. Another is that we have secret defence agreements in place that obligates us to give our military the necessary capability to fulfill these obligations. For example, I am sure there is an agreement in place for us to come to the aid of Brunei in the event that the Sultan there is being overthrown. That is why we have KC-135 tankers, AWACS, F-15SGs, etc. We can project these forces into the Brunei theatre of operations, and keep them there for a while. Imagine we can fly combat air patrols over Brunei for hours at a time! We also have military agreements with the US, whereby we have to cover their lines of communication and act as a screening force for them. That is why a lot of our equipment is directly compatible with theirs and our forces are trained to the same standard as theirs (in particular, the air force). Another factor would be that the defence industry is one of the most corrupt in the world. U can bet someone in the Leegime is getting kickbacks for the purchase of some of this stuff.

Where were the money actually spend?
Answer: Every defence budget has essentially 2 components. One is a equipment purchase and infrastructure. In other words, they have to set aside money for the purchase of jets, tanks, building of bases, etc. The other component is for operating expenses like salaries, payments to other countries for the use of their bases, fuel, ammo usedin training, etc.

Does SDP has any option at hand to ensure that the quality of Singapore's defence do not fall or fail if the Budget were to be reduce?
Answer: What is your definition of quality? Many people would tell u right now that the quality of the SAF is suspect. Its made up of generals that have no combat experience and promoted on the basis of political connections, and whose crowing achievement is the organizing of the NDP. Its made up of sign on officers and NCOs that are jiak liao bee, and could not survive out in the real world. Its made up of conscripts that treat their NS as keng experience and have no pride or professionalism. I think the RSAF is maybe the most professional and a quality org. but other than that, who knows?

Can SDP garanteed that if NS is reduce or even abolished, that Singapore still have enough trained manpower to provide deterrence against aggression and handle actual field defence when the shots are fired?
Answer: U have to look around and see who these agressors u mention are. Is it Malaysia? Highly unlikely. We have symbiotic relationship with them. They are not interested in any military action against us. They don't need to. All they have to do is close the border and turn the water tap off, and we will be on our knees. All this without one bullet being fired. Indonesia? Very unlikely too. Their amphibious and airborne capability is next to zero. They couldn't put 500 troops on a boat and sail it here, much less an entire army.

What the SDP does not understand and what very few Singaporeans realise is that because of our military obligations mentioned above, and our military doctrine, we cannot reduce our NS time. Why? Because our military posture right now is an offensive one. In order to fulfill this, we need to have a minimum of about 80,000 personnel on instant availability. We have currently 40,000 plus sign on personnel in all the branches of the military. The rest of this 80,000 personnel is from the NS conscripts. If for example we reduce our NS obligation to 12 months, than we will only have about 65,000 personnel, as each year's NS cohort is about 15,000-17,000. You have to minus one year's worth of cohorts. This will not leave us enough personnel to fulfill the planned mission of the SAF. Yes, they can call up reservists and all that. But that takes time, and it gives the element of surprise away. If they want to strike, they have to do it with what they have at hand i.e. the 2 annual batches of NS cohorts and regular staff.

In order for a real reduction to happen. The govt. of singapore (whether its the PAP or an oppo party come into power) have to inform all our allies that we are revoking all the defence agreements we have with them. We adopt a defensive posture, and that way we can reduce our NS time to no more than 6 months for specialists, and 3 months for regular.
 

Papsmearer

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I dare say that the govt, even without any opposition party prompting, the govt will reduce defence spending in both percentage of GDP as well as absolute terms over the next several years.

This is a pipe dream and a wishful thinking. The PAP will not trim the defence spending. It will trend up. They never have. Even after the death of communism, they have not done it. The defence budget provides the elites with many sources of revenues and pork barrel politics. Why should they reduce it?
 

GoldenDragon

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The mutual suspicion and distrust have always been there and proven irreconciliable. Arms race or not, we have to have enough arms for deterrent and retaliation.

Arms races existed for centuries. It is part and parcel of deterrence. The legit fear is an escalation in the arms race between two neighbours and misperception of intention as a result. Proper communication is needed.

Intensity involved in the arms race is also another factor to be recognised. From one country's action (acquisition) it will lead to an appropriate response from the other country. Action and reaction.

Technological advances is another causal factor in the arms races.
 
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