Current fare band of around 2.4km will be shortened to 800m.

[makapaaa]

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Coffeeshop Chit Chat - BAD NEWS :Bus, train fares cut from Jul</TD><TD id=msgunetc noWrap align=right> </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><TABLE class=msgtable cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="96%"><TBODY><TR><TD class=msg vAlign=top><TABLE border=0 cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="100%"><TBODY><TR class=msghead><TD class=msgbfr1 width="1%"> </TD><TD><TABLE border=0 cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0><TBODY><TR class=msghead vAlign=top><TD class=msgF width="1%" noWrap align=right>From: </TD><TD class=msgFname width="68%" noWrap>LauZoeTay <NOBR></NOBR> </TD><TD class=msgDate width="30%" noWrap align=right>12:44 am </TD></TR><TR class=msghead><TD class=msgT height=20 width="1%" noWrap align=right>To: </TD><TD class=msgTname width="68%" noWrap>ALL <NOBR></NOBR></TD><TD class=msgNum noWrap align=right> (1 of 17) </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR><TR><TD class=msgleft rowSpan=4 width="1%"> </TD><TD class=wintiny noWrap align=right>31970.1 </TD></TR><TR><TD height=8></TD></TR><TR><TD class=msgtxt>http://www.straitstimes.com/Breaking+News/Singapore/Story/STIStory_516795.html
Another pertinent change that will be rolled out from July will see a narrowing of fare bands. The current fare band of around 2.4km will be shortened to 800m.
This will give rise to smaller but more frequent fare jumps than before. On a typical journey without transfers, this will result in higher fares.
PTC chairman Gerard Ee said the removal of transfer penalty is a significant change that will benefit most commuters.
'The decision comes after careful deliberation and scrutiny of the impact on both the transport operators and commuters,' Mr Ee said, noting that operators will bear 'the larger part of the costs'.
The latest fare revision, valid for a year, will result in SBS Transit and SMRT Corp losing a combined $32 million in annual revenue.
Mr Ee added that the change will give commuters 'more choices and greater flexibility to decide on the best route to reach their destination'.
The Land Transport Authority will roll out publicity programmes to raise awareness of the new fare system.
By June, commuters will also be able to make online enquiries on route choices and fare amounts at www.publictransport.sg.

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[makapaaa]

<TABLE border=0 cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="100%"><TBODY><TR class=msghead><TD class=msgbfr1 width="1%"> </TD><TD><TABLE border=0 cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0><TBODY><TR class=msghead vAlign=top><TD class=msgF width="1%" noWrap align=right>From: </TD><TD class=msgFname width="68%" noWrap>LauZoeTay <NOBR></NOBR> </TD><TD class=msgDate width="30%" noWrap align=right>8:04 am </TD></TR><TR class=msghead><TD class=msgT height=20 width="1%" noWrap align=right>To: </TD><TD class=msgTname width="68%" noWrap>ALL <NOBR></NOBR></TD><TD class=msgNum noWrap align=right> (7 of 18) </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR><TR><TD class=msgleft rowSpan=4 width="1%"> </TD><TD class=wintiny noWrap align=right>31970.7 in reply to 31970.5 </TD></TR><TR><TD height=8></TD></TR><TR><TD class=msgtxt>Summary Points from Press Release: [URL="http://www.ptc.gov.sg/PR20april.pdf"]http://www.ptc.gov.sg/PR20april.pdf[/URL]
-> 2.5% Fare Reduction from Sat 3 July 10
-> 67% of commuters see reduction/no change in expenditure
-> 63% save $25/year
-> 34% incur $16/year
-> Fares generally flat for 1st 3.2km then 1km fare bands up to 40.2km
-> Feeder fares under 1st fare band regardless of distance
-> Senior Citizen / Child fares pegged at 25% / 50% of adult fare to max of 7.2km band.
Approved Fare Structure
All fares are Aircon Adult CEPAS Card otherwise stated
BUS
Trunk (including JIS)
0 - 3.2km = $0.71, then increment $0.10/km till 6.2km ($1.01)
6.3 - 7.2km = $1.09
7.3 - 8.2km = $1.15
8.3 - 9.2km = $1.21, then increment $0.04/km till 19.2km ($1.61)
19.3 - 20.2km = $1.64, then increment of $0.03/km till 23.2km ($1.73)
23.3 - 24.2km = $1.75, then increment of $0.02/km tilll 26.2km ($1.79)
26.3 - 27.2km = $1.80, then increment of $0.01/km tilll >40.2km ($1.94)
Feeder
$0.71 Card, $1 Cash
Senior Citizens
Trunk - $0.53 up to 3.2km, then $0.61, $0.68, $0.76, $0.81, then $0.86 >7.2km
Express - $0.98 up to 3.2km, then $1.06, $1.13, $1.21, $1.26, then $1.31 >7.2km ($0.45 more every band)
Feeder - $0.53 Card, $0.90 Cash
Their cash fare are cheaper than adult ones between 10 - 30 cents.
Child/Student
Trunk - $0.36 up to 3.2km, then $0.41, $0.46, $0.51, $0.55, then $0.58 >7.2km
Express - $0.66 up to 3.2km, then $0.71, $0.76, $0.81, $0.85, then $0.88 >7.2km ($0.30 more every band)
Feeder - $0.36 Card, $0.55 Cash
Students generally enjoy cheaper fare (for up to 4.2km) in the new fare structure.
Express ($0.60 more than Trunk)
0 - 3.2km = $1.31, then increment $0.10/km till 6.2km ($1.61)
6.3 - 7.2km = $1.69
7.3 - 8.2km = $1.75
8.3 - 9.2km = $1.81, then increment $0.04/km till 19.2km ($2.21)
19.3 - 20.2km = $2.24, then increment of $0.03/km till 23.2km ($2.33)
23.3 - 24.2km = $2.35, then increment of $0.02/km tilll 26.2km ($2.39)
26.3 - 27.2km = $2.40, then increment of $0.01/km tilll >40.2km ($2.54)
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[makapaaa]

<TABLE border=0 cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="100%"><TBODY><TR class=msghead><TD><TABLE border=0 cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0><TBODY><TR class=msghead vAlign=top><TD class=msgF width="1%" noWrap align=right>From: </TD><TD class=msgFname width="68%" noWrap>LauZoeTay <NOBR></NOBR> </TD><TD class=msgDate width="30%" noWrap align=right>8:16 am </TD></TR><TR class=msghead><TD class=msgT height=20 width="1%" noWrap align=right>To: </TD><TD class=msgTname width="68%" noWrap>LauZoeTay <NOBR></NOBR></TD><TD class=msgNum noWrap align=right> (8 of 18) </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR><TR><TD class=msgleft rowSpan=4 width="1%"> </TD><TD class=wintiny noWrap align=right>31970.8 in reply to 31970.7 </TD></TR><TR><TD height=8></TD></TR><TR><TD class=msgtxt>If you take Bus to NUS from Marine Parade...... you pay more.
Bus from Marine Parade to Paya Lebar, then MRT to clementi, then bus to NUS
I'm inclined to think that you will be paying more.
From point 6 in the press release:
Commuters travelling the same distance will pay the same fare for the same type of service, whether they travel direct or make transfers.
By my intepretation, this means that the distance-based fare will only apply for the same type of service. So your bus journey to Paya Lebar MRT is one fare and will be calculated according to distance = x
Then your journey by train from Paya Lebar to Clementi is one fare and will be calculated according to distance = y
Then your bus journey from Clementi to NUS is one fare and will be according to distance = z
After 3rd July there will be no more transfer rebates. So your total fare is x + y + z.
I did some calculations on my own for my journey from Tampines to NUS by train then bus. I'm looking at paying 40 cents more for a journey one way =X
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[makapaaa]

<TABLE border=0 cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="100%"><TBODY><TR class=msghead><TD><TABLE border=0 cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0><TBODY><TR class=msghead vAlign=top><TD class=msgF width="1%" noWrap align=right>From: </TD><TD class=msgFname width="68%" noWrap>LauZoeTay <NOBR></NOBR> </TD><TD class=msgDate width="30%" noWrap align=right>8:20 am </TD></TR><TR class=msghead><TD class=msgT height=20 width="1%" noWrap align=right>To: </TD><TD class=msgTname width="68%" noWrap>LauZoeTay <NOBR></NOBR></TD><TD class=msgNum noWrap align=right> (9 of 18) </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR><TR><TD class=msgleft rowSpan=4 width="1%"> </TD><TD class=wintiny noWrap align=right>31970.9 in reply to 31970.8 </TD></TR><TR><TD height=8></TD></TR><TR><TD class=msgtxt>[FONT=Times New Roman,Times,Serif]___________You Pay MORE !!!!!!!![/SIZE][/FONT]
Example 1:
Bukit Panjang Road (Blk 270) >>> Toa Payoh Lorong 6 (Opp Blk 1)

Before:
$1.21 (190) (12 stages) + $0.91 (153) (5.5 stages) - $0.50 (transfer rebate)
= $2.12 - $0.50 = $1.62

After:
$1.25 (190) (12 stages X 0.8km = 9.6km) + 153 ($0.91) (5.5 stages X 0.8km = 4.4km) = $2.16

Cost: $0.54 more.

Example 2:
Marine Parade Road (Parkway Parade) >>> NUS (Opp Yushof Ishak House)
Before:
$0.69 (135) (3 stages to Paya Lebar MRT) + $1.46 (MRT to Clementi) + $0.91 (96) (5.5 stages 96 to NUS) - $1 Transfer rebate
= $2.06

After:
$0.71 ((3 stages X 0.8km) = 2.4 km ) + $1.46 (same) + $0.91 (5.5 stages X 0.8km) = 4.4km)
= $3.08.

So, fudgester, u will need to pay $1.02 per trip. $2.04 return every day.
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Yishun MRT >>> Commonwealth MRT >>> NUS

Current: $1.81


Future:
MRT (same) $1.62 + $0.71 (4 stages X 0.8km=3.2km) = $2.33

You will need to pay $0.52 extra per day.
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___________Bus-MRT-Bus.[/SIZE]
___________Tat's why those who would continue bus - MRT - bus, probably SMRT will end up biggest winner.

More good years to come [/SIZE]
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<TABLE border=0 cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="100%"><TBODY><TR class=msghead><TD class=msgbfr1 width="1%"></TD><TD><TABLE border=0 cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0><TBODY><TR class=msghead vAlign=top><TD class=msgF width="1%" noWrap align=right>From: </TD><TD class=msgFname width="68%" noWrap>LauZoeTay <NOBR></NOBR> </TD><TD class=msgDate width="30%" noWrap align=right>8:26 am </TD></TR><TR class=msghead><TD class=msgT height=20 width="1%" noWrap align=right>To: </TD><TD class=msgTname width="68%" noWrap>ALL <NOBR></NOBR></TD><TD class=msgNum noWrap align=right> (13 of 20) </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR><TR><TD class=msgleft rowSpan=4 width="1%"> </TD><TD class=wintiny noWrap align=right>31970.13 in reply to 31970.12 </TD></TR><TR><TD height=8></TD></TR><TR><TD class=msgtxt>It is mentioned that "Under Distance Fares, the transfer penalty will be removed completely" and hence transfer rebates will also cease.
So, does that mean that if we were to transfer from trunk > feeder, we have to pay the minimum fare ($0.71) for that feeder ride, even though both are bus rides except that it is of different category - a trunk and a feeder?
If yes, then isn't the $0.71 for the feeder a transfer penalty?? Currently paying only $0.19 for a transfered feeder ride, and under the new structure $0.71. What a $0.52 increase!!
___________So, doesn't this mean a big disadvantaged for those who are staying in an area with no trunk service nearby or no MRT station nearby in order to get out of their estate.[/SIZE]
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[garlic]

there is no way in hell that new policies are introduced to make things cheaper in Singapore. It will only be made to "Sound" cheaper... in reality, no way can be cheaper.

Name one thing that is exception....

1) Wages

 

[abeltcb]

where in singapore, transport fare is cheap. I will have to pay more for the coming july.

 

[Received_by_Kings]

Hahahaha only YOU would put a French Revolution oil painting with a Singapore flag because of rising bus fares LOL

 

[tonychat]

what deos you sinkies need to do?

Let me guess.. continue to type online and not doing anything offline. no wonder sinkies get screwed. WAHHAHAH!!!!

 

[Cestbon]

<TABLE border=0 cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="100%"><TBODY><TR class=msghead><TD class=msgbfr1 width="1%"> </TD><TD><TABLE border=0 cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0><TBODY><TR class=msghead vAlign=top><TD class=msgF width="1%" noWrap align=right>From: </TD><TD class=msgFname width="68%" noWrap>LauZoeTay <NOBR></NOBR> </TD><TD class=msgDate width="30%" noWrap align=right>8:04 am </TD></TR><TR class=msghead><TD class=msgT height=20 width="1%" noWrap align=right>To: </TD><TD class=msgTname width="68%" noWrap>ALL <NOBR></NOBR></TD><TD class=msgNum noWrap align=right> (7 of 18) </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR><TR><TD class=msgleft rowSpan=4 width="1%"> </TD><TD class=wintiny noWrap align=right>31970.7 in reply to 31970.5 </TD></TR><TR><TD height=8></TD></TR><TR><TD class=msgtxt>Summary Points from Press Release: [URL="http://www.ptc.gov.sg/PR20april.pdf"]http://www.ptc.gov.sg/PR20april.pdf[/URL]
-> 2.5% Fare Reduction from Sat 3 July 10
-> 67% of commuters see reduction/no change in expenditure
-> 63% save $25/year
-> 34% incur $16/year
-> Fares generally flat for 1st 3.2km then 1km fare bands up to 40.2km
-> Feeder fares under 1st fare band regardless of distance
-> Senior Citizen / Child fares pegged at 25% / 50% of adult fare to max of 7.2km band.
Approved Fare Structure
All fares are Aircon Adult CEPAS Card otherwise stated
BUS
Trunk (including JIS)
0 - 3.2km = $0.71, then increment $0.10/km till 6.2km ($1.01)
6.3 - 7.2km = $1.09
7.3 - 8.2km = $1.15
8.3 - 9.2km = $1.21, then increment $0.04/km till 19.2km ($1.61)
19.3 - 20.2km = $1.64, then increment of $0.03/km till 23.2km ($1.73)
23.3 - 24.2km = $1.75, then increment of $0.02/km tilll 26.2km ($1.79)
26.3 - 27.2km = $1.80, then increment of $0.01/km tilll >40.2km ($1.94)
Feeder
$0.71 Card, $1 Cash
Senior Citizens
Trunk - $0.53 up to 3.2km, then $0.61, $0.68, $0.76, $0.81, then $0.86 >7.2km
Express - $0.98 up to 3.2km, then $1.06, $1.13, $1.21, $1.26, then $1.31 >7.2km ($0.45 more every band)
Feeder - $0.53 Card, $0.90 Cash
Their cash fare are cheaper than adult ones between 10 - 30 cents.
Child/Student
Trunk - $0.36 up to 3.2km, then $0.41, $0.46, $0.51, $0.55, then $0.58 >7.2km
Express - $0.66 up to 3.2km, then $0.71, $0.76, $0.81, $0.85, then $0.88 >7.2km ($0.30 more every band)
Feeder - $0.36 Card, $0.55 Cash
Students generally enjoy cheaper fare (for up to 4.2km) in the new fare structure.
Express ($0.60 more than Trunk)
0 - 3.2km = $1.31, then increment $0.10/km till 6.2km ($1.61)
6.3 - 7.2km = $1.69
7.3 - 8.2km = $1.75
8.3 - 9.2km = $1.81, then increment $0.04/km till 19.2km ($2.21)
19.3 - 20.2km = $2.24, then increment of $0.03/km till 23.2km ($2.33)
23.3 - 24.2km = $2.35, then increment of $0.02/km tilll 26.2km ($2.39)
26.3 - 27.2km = $2.40, then increment of $0.01/km tilll >40.2km ($2.54)
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Try to cheat commuter with all the data. Shorten the mileage from 2.4km to 800m already cheating passenger 1.6km journey. Meaning passenger will have to pay extra.

 

[suicidalpap]

Apr 22, 2010
Bus, train fare system must be fair to all

THE Public Transport Council's decision ('New bus, train fare system'; yesterday) to implement a distance-based system to calculate transport fares with effect from July 3 is a novel approach.

While the council says it will lead to greater savings for nearly two out of three commuters, my concern is for the third of commuters who must pay a higher transport fare than at present.

It seems highly unusual that we have to penalise a significant number of commuters just because they have a direct route to their destinations.

Through no fault of their own, they find themselves having to pay more so that the majority can pay less.

There should be as much fairness as possible and this should not be at the expense of the minority, or anyone for that matter.

The aim should be to improve everyone's life while not worsening anyone's life in the process. I hope that future fare calculations will be done with this in mind.

Gregory Lou
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