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Crumbling of Singapore?

TracyTan866

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Our problem is that we keep comparing him to more corrupt countries rather than developed countries with established democractic principles.




Good point. We should never allow anyone to argue and try to compare SG with third world countries and let them try to convince Singaporeans that the pap is doing well when compared to such countries.

Singapore is not Africa and so we dont need to let them argue that Singaporeans shd count ourselves fortunate because we are better off than Africans
 

Leongsam

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The next member who messes up the "quote" hierarchy will be infracted. I'm getting sick and tired of having to reformat the posts of others.

The portion that you are quoting should look like this...

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If you've messed up the opening and closing tags, please restore them before posting your reply. It's a bit rich screwing the PAP for not solving complex problems to your exacting standards when you guys can't even get the simple formatting of a message right.
 

Fook Seng

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Leongsam said:
I have attached the most recent price list of Mercs in Singapore. If you don't have to be wealthy to afford such prices, you have definitely redefined the meaning of the world "wealth".

This just goes to show that as far as Singaporeans are concerned, paying a quarter of a million dollars for a car that lasts only 10 years is no big deal. In my opinion, only a country and is well governed and wildly successful could have ended up with such an attitude towards what the rest of the world would consider a huge amount of money.

Let's put it this way. Singapore was never the backwaters that the Old Man was trying to paint the country to make his achievement seemed more memorable. Singapore was there with Hongkong (always half the size of Hongkong, population, GDP etc) and ahead of Taiwan and Korea even from early days. If we are any different from them today, I will be very surprised. If you look at Hongkong today, don't you see the same thing as far as cars are concerned? They have a very large population of Rolls Royce. How about the world's highest consumer of XO cognac? Rolex watches? Even for a country like Thailand and Indonesia, their women go about displaying more jewelry than Singapore ladies. What does it tell you? Of course there are many people who can cough out a quarter of million to buy a BMW 5 series or a Merc E. Even if we take just top 5 % that is still like 50,000 households. Nobody here is saying that there are no rich people in Singapore who can afford expensive toys. According to the Gini index, we have some super-rich who can even pay for private space travel but also because of our skewed Gini index, the majority of our people have to pack themselves in trains that could put up "out for lunch" signs for 5 hours. Yes it is nothing but compare it with someone who can get a car for a few tens of thousands and do not need to take bus or train, it is a big concern.
 

po2wq

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... It's a bit rich screwing the PAP for not solving complex problems to your exacting standards when you guys can't even get the simple formatting of a message right.
iz definitely ezier scrooing ze gahmen dan formatting a msg ... :rolleyes:
 

TracyTan866

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iz definitely ezier scrooing ze gahmen dan formatting a msg ... :rolleyes:

hahaha..good point.

scolding the pap takes discernment, knowledge and wisdom. formatting a msg takes IT skills.
no basis for comparison nor corelation.

LKY was once running SG well without knowing how to send an e-mail....Sam is out of touch
 

Leongsam

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Let's put it this way. Singapore was never the backwaters that the Old Man was trying to paint the country to make his achievement seemed more memorable. Singapore was there with Hongkong (always half the size of Hongkong, population, GDP etc) and ahead of Taiwan and Korea even from early days. If we are any different from them today, I will be very surprised. If you look at Hongkong today, don't you see the same thing as far as cars are concerned? They have a very large population of Rolls Royce. How about the world's highest consumer of XO cognac? Rolex watches? Even for a country like Thailand and Indonesia,

Both Singapore and HK are very successful countries. When Singapore women start whoring themselves internationally, I'll have to agree that Singapore has sunk to the level of Thailand. At the moment, it's not the case thanks to the PAP govt.
 

Nice-Gook

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Let's put it this way. Singapore was never the backwaters that the Old Man was trying to paint the country to make his achievement seemed more memorable. .

A tour of the British colony of Singapore in 1938.

Pay attention to facts like Chinese population at 55%.....Singapore the cheapest for shopping in the entire world....finest airdrome(airport) in the East....and it is clean....the cosmopolitan population of all races and religion living harmoniously.

All these achievements when the poultion was only a half a million..


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Fook Seng

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Leongsam said:
Both Singapore and HK are very successful countries. When Singapore women start whoring themselves internationally, I'll have to agree that Singapore has sunk to the level of Thailand. At the moment, it's not the case.

Sam, just a personal question. Are you planning to leave, soon, the life of a Walden Pond existence and come back to this city state? If you do, with your assets, I don't think you need to worry too much. It is the masses who cannot fend for themselves that we are concerned about.
 

TracyTan866

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A tour of the British colony of Singapore in 1938.

Pay attention to facts like Chinese population at 55%.....Singapore the cheapest for shopping in the entire world....finest airdrome(airport) in the East....and it is clean....the cosmopolitan population of all races and religion living harmoniously.

All these achievements when the poultion was only a half a million..


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good insights. somehow, many sense that SG was running well under the British
 

Nice-Gook

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Both Singapore and HK are very successful countries. When Singapore women start whoring themselves internationally, I'll have to agree that Singapore has sunk to the level of Thailand. At the moment, it's not the case thanks to the PAP govt.

Hey,Sam---are you aware that it was the Japanese women who were the biggest in number of whores here before Singapore abolished licensed Japanese prostitution in 1921?

By your logic Japan would have gone the road of no return but proved you wrong,right?
 

TracyTan866

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It is the masses who cannot fend for themselves that we are concerned about.

I agree with you. And the situation will get worse with high HDB prices, low wages and high medical costs. Most CPF savings will be depleted and there will be nothing left for the average Singaporean when he turns 62.

But the pap will be booted out by then. It's the future SG govt which will be left holding the "baby".

This is the likely scenario if the pap doesnt change and continues to govern SG
 

TracyTan866

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The core of PAP Gvot was rotten and that contaminated other parts around it.
The autocratic PAP Govt filled with yes-men ministers enabled it to cover up its massive failures and losses for the past decades.Well done Singapore Citizens!

will the recent open squabbling between Shanmugam, Hri Kumar against Halimah and Zaqy lead to the fall of the pap?

Does LHL have the clout to hold the various factions together?
 

Leongsam

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By your logic Japan would have gone the road of no return but proved you wrong,right?

Nowhere did I say that whoring would spell the point of no return. All I'm saying is that that Singapore is doing very well at the moment and has the capacity to do even better. The same applies to HK. Thailand may have their elite class but there are many who are desperately poor. This is not the case in Singapore.

Poverty is relative. The Singapore poor are well off compared to Thailand's poor.
 

Leongsam

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A tour of the British colony of Singapore in 1938.

Pay attention to facts like Chinese population at 55%.....Singapore the cheapest for shopping in the entire world....finest airdrome(airport) in the East....and it is clean....the cosmopolitan population of all races and religion living harmoniously.

In this post, you said the various Chinese dialect groups were always on the verge of open warfare. Now you're telling me that everyone was lovey dovey. Please make up your mind.

As for clean you obviously didn't have to shit into one of these

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I wasn't so fortunate. I had to put up with the stench for the first 11 years of my life.

More info at http://mrsbrowndaughter.blogspot.com/2008/09/night-soil-carrier.html

Thanks the PAP, the last nightsoil carrier was phased out in the early 70s. I am forever grateful to LKY for doing such a wonderful job of modernising Singapore. The Brits never bothered. They took care of themselves first.
 

Windsor

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It is the masses who cannot fend for themselves that we are concerned about.

Very true. The elites and businesses are very happy with the PAP-styled government. From my conversations with the elites I know these last few days, they are worried about the erosion of popular support from the masses. Their contention is that the internet community is circulating half-truths and influencing the voters to the detriment of Singapore.

The government need to address the many problems and issues that are bedeviling the man-on-the-street before it balloons. Not enough is being done IMO and the confidence that the government can do something to prevent their current situation from worsening is decreasing bit by bit. Never had Singaporeans seen floods in Orchard Rd in the past not the breakdown of the MRT. The high COE's were thought to be a thing of the past ut it is coming back. So many issues at the forefront that the government has not managed to resolve including their pay and pension. More so with with the problem the PAP has in having a good team and leadership which is sorely lacking. MP SHT and TPL is not making them look good and they should be remove quickly and replace, but where are all the good men?
 
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Leongsam

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Very true. The elites and businesses are very happy with the PAP-styled government.

It's not just the elite who are happy with the PAP govt. All the hardworking, industrious and resourceful people I know are happy with the government too. My nephew is in no way connected with the ruling family. However, he has always been ambitious and he now earns close to quarter million dollars a year and he achieved this entirely via his own efforts. No special treatment. No favours from his MP. No bribes paid. No names dropped.

While I agree that there are those who are simply not capable of being winners in Singapore, I would expect those who can afford iPhones and Gucci bags to defer the purchases of these luxury items and put aside 4 hours a week to help those in need both financially and emotionally.

Start helping first by setting an example. Get your cause publicised. Lead from the front. Don't just sit behind a keyboard and type a load of bullshit about how the govt does nothing when you aren't doing anything either even though you can well afford to help.
 

Windsor

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It's not just the elite who are happy with the PAP govt. All the hardworking, industrious and resourceful people I know are happy with the government too.

While I agree that there are those who are simply not capable of being winners in Singapore, I would expect those who can afford iPhones and Gucci bags to defer the purchases of these luxury items and put aside 4 hours a week to help those in need both financially and emotionally.

Start helping first by setting an example. Get your cause publicised. Lead from the front. Don't just sit behind a keyboard and type a load of bullshit about how the govt does nothing when you aren't doing anything either even though you can well afford to help.

Those who are currently supporting the government are decreasing bit by bit as I mentioned.

I have done my part and preparing my exit as you had in the past been encouraging which I read not so long ago. Thise willing to stay should be the ones you should exhort.
 

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Nice-Gook and you have mentioned about the cluelessness of our government which captures my interest and reminds me of this conversation I had at a gathering with my friends and business associates some time ago. My Singaporean peers and I were lamenting and disgusted about how our government have run out of ideas and have to resort to opening casinos to open new grounds. One of us even commented that the end of Singapore is nearing. My Malaysian friend, however, was complimenting about the progress he has seen in Penang ever since Lim Guan Eng took over. He said in pride about how he can foresee Penang to be the next Singapore under Lim Guan Eng's leadership. He likened Lim Guan Eng's DAP with our PAP leaders. He also went on to chastised the Barisan National and particularly MCA (he is Chinese) for their incompetency in running a Country that is rich in natural resources and yet the Country's progress is nothing in comparison with Singapore. He firmly believed that if every state in Malaysia has a Lim Guan Eng in charge and do away with the bumiputra policies, Malaysia will definitely reached far greater heights than it is today. In the midst of the conversation, a business associate and friend from Canada or Australia commented that Singapore is far from over, looking at how he sees the Country's business environment is continuing to evolve aggressively. He went on to say that Countries such as Singapore will continue to survive and prosper.

I felt I obliged to butt in here.You see,I am also following Malaysian politics quite closely.Hence I m quite aware of the latest happenings there.Hence must put down some misconceptions.I shall try be very brief.

If one is to read blogs such as Malaysia Today,Malaysia Insider,Malaysiakini and etc.You are right that Malaysian Chinese bitch a lot about Malaysia.But the fact is 90% of Malaysian Chinese who works in Singapore chose to go back to Malaysia rather than take Singapore citizenship...Which begets the question that if they love PAP style of governance so much why go beck to the hell hole which they claim Malaysia is?

In fact bulk of of our racial and other problem arises because of Malaysian Chinese working in our civil service and police.PAP uses them to the hilt and they use us like hell and discard us as a used condom after they had their fling here.Because each Malaysian Chinese carry their emotional baggage of Malaysian racial politics and spill it on our minority races.

Now here is the fact sheet.DAP was founded as the mirror image of PAP by our ex president Devan Nair.Hence DAP 's open admiration for PAP is nothing surprising.In fact Lim Kit Sing the de facto secretary general of DAP and the father of LIm Eng Guan had publicly declared LKY as his mentor and leader.

Again,DAP itself had been rejected by Chinese voters for more than 40 years since their numero unos such as Lim Kit Sing and Karpal Singh had been thoroughly thrashed in past elections.It was only in their 2008 GE a miracle happened.Again this credit goes to HINDRAF--the Iindian NGO.Who publicly took to the streets in a unprecedented street demonstration of nearly 50k.The Indian community were traditionally BN voters who now opposed BN and MIC...this flagged open defiance and soon Malaysian Chinese followed.Hence for the first time in Malaysian history BN lost two third majority in their parliament and along with that 5 states,of which 1 is penang.

Lim Eng Guan became the CM of Penang.What followed exposed DAP.Now Malays claimed they are being marginalized in Penang.But what too the cake is HINDRAF distanced itself from DAP because the Indian community were left in the lurch.The incident was one Buah Pala kampong.The only Indian heritage village that was destined to be demolished by the previous UMNO government.Buah Pala kampong belonged to the British planter who bequeath it in a will to the Indian community who lived and worked on it some 120 yrs ago.UMNO somehow changed the law and sold it to their MCA(Malaysin Chinese Party) crony.But DAP politicized this iisue to boiling eviction level and once in power signed and executed the land to the very same Chinese towkays.....that revealed the racism in DAP.

In fact,the racil politics PAP practices belong entirely to Malaysia.We never had politics divided long racial basis before whereas Malaysia had.It was because of the very entry of Malaysian Chinese within PAP we started having GRC,HDB racial quota and etc.The old PAP guards though many were born in Malaya never incorporated racial politics.But the fresh Malaysian Chinese blood who joined PAP later tainted PAP with racism.
 

Fook Seng

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Leongsam said:
In this post, you said the various Chinese dialect groups were always on the verge of open warfare. Now you're telling me that everyone was lovey dovey. Please make up your mind.

As for clean you obviously didn't have to shit into one of these

<img src="http://www.sammyboy.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=3273"/>

I wasn't so fortunate. I had to put up with the stench for the first 11 years of my life.

More info at http://mrsbrowndaughter.blogspot.com/2008/09/night-soil-carrier.html

Thanks the PAP, the last nightsoil carrier was phased out in the early 70s. I am forever grateful to LKY for doing such a wonderful job of modernising Singapore. The Brits never bothered. They took care of themselves first.

The nightsoil carrier was phased out with the invention of the modern toilet and with the construction of the first SIT flat. Further re-settlement of the people to HDB flats quickened this process.
 
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